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Old May 15th, 2016, 01:06 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
Snoopy1975ify
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All European cities will be car-free within the next decade or so. Paris and Oslo are among the cities that are doing this. South American and Asia are doing the same thing. We're entering a new car-free age in those places.
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Old May 15th, 2016, 07:31 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
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On 5/14/2016 5:06 PM, StupidifyinglyStupid wrote:

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Old June 15th, 2016, 05:07 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
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Snoopy1975ify wrote:
All European cities will be car-free within the next decade or
so. Paris and Oslo are among the cities that are doing this. South
American and Asia are doing the same thing. We're entering a new
car-free age in those places.


Joey Jolley? Are you really still around?

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Old June 16th, 2016, 12:44 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Paul Aubrin
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On Sat, 14 May 2016 17:06:59 -0700, Snoopy1975ify wrote:

All European cities will be car-free within the next decade or so. Paris
and Oslo are among the cities that are doing this. South American and
Asia are doing the same thing. We're entering a new car-free age in
those places.


At the end of the 19th century municipalities had a big problem. They
didn't know how to manage the increasing volumes of the horse manure
produced by delivery carts which made cities unsustainable.
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Old June 17th, 2016, 01:34 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
poldy
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On 6/16/16 5:52 AM, Martin P wrote:
On 16 Jun 2016 11:44:48 GMT, Paul Aubrin wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2016 17:06:59 -0700, Snoopy1975ify wrote:

All European cities will be car-free within the next decade or so. Paris
and Oslo are among the cities that are doing this. South American and
Asia are doing the same thing. We're entering a new car-free age in
those places.


At the end of the 19th century municipalities had a big problem. They
didn't know how to manage the increasing volumes of the horse manure
produced by delivery carts which made cities unsustainable.


The best way to solve Europe Going Car-Free manure is to use a kill file or just
ignore it.
--
Martin in N Staffordshire


Supposedly diesel pollution in cities like Paris is pretty bad.

Some talk that maybe they ban them from city centers in favor of
electric vehicles. VW is forecasting that by 2025, electric cars will
make up 20-25% of sales, or 2-3 million cars.
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Old June 17th, 2016, 07:07 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
Paul Aubrin
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:34:29 -0700, poldy wrote:

On 6/16/16 5:52 AM, Martin P wrote:
On 16 Jun 2016 11:44:48 GMT, Paul Aubrin wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2016 17:06:59 -0700, Snoopy1975ify wrote:

All European cities will be car-free within the next decade or so.
Paris and Oslo are among the cities that are doing this. South
American and Asia are doing the same thing. We're entering a new
car-free age in those places.

At the end of the 19th century municipalities had a big problem. They
didn't know how to manage the increasing volumes of the horse manure
produced by delivery carts which made cities unsustainable.


The best way to solve Europe Going Car-Free manure is to use a kill
file or just ignore it.
--
Martin in N Staffordshire


Supposedly diesel pollution in cities like Paris is pretty bad.


The quality of air improved, but pollution norms became stricter.
From 2002 to 2012 pollution levels from nitrogen oxides (NOx) decreased
by 30% in Paris, pollution from PM10 particles decreased by 35%,
pollution from PM2.5 particles decreased by 40%.

Some talk that maybe they ban them from city centers in favor of
electric vehicles. VW is forecasting that by 2025, electric cars will
make up 20-25% of sales, or 2-3 million cars.


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Old June 19th, 2016, 04:52 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
poldy
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On 6/16/16 11:07 PM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:34:29 -0700, poldy wrote:

On 6/16/16 5:52 AM, Martin P wrote:
On 16 Jun 2016 11:44:48 GMT, Paul Aubrin wrote:



The best way to solve Europe Going Car-Free manure is to use a kill
file or just ignore it.
--
Martin in N Staffordshire


Supposedly diesel pollution in cities like Paris is pretty bad.


The quality of air improved, but pollution norms became stricter.
From 2002 to 2012 pollution levels from nitrogen oxides (NOx) decreased
by 30% in Paris, pollution from PM10 particles decreased by 35%,
pollution from PM2.5 particles decreased by 40%.

Some talk that maybe they ban them from city centers in favor of
electric vehicles. VW is forecasting that by 2025, electric cars will
make up 20-25% of sales, or 2-3 million cars.



I just remember reading somewhere that Mayor Hidalgo wanted to look at
reducing traffic, especially from diesel vehicles. So maybe something
like a congestion fee like London or some other measures.

She's also the one trying to eliminate or reduce vacation rentals of
apartments.
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Old June 19th, 2016, 01:01 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Paul Aubrin
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Default Europe Going Car-Free

On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:52:19 -0700, poldy wrote:

I just remember reading somewhere that Mayor Hidalgo wanted to look at
reducing traffic, especially from diesel vehicles. So maybe something
like a congestion fee like London or some other measures.


Hidalgo wants to ban old diesel vehicles, those without efficient fine
particles filters. In the historic districts of the capital, houses don't
have garages. Many residents have no car. They don't really need one for
their every day moves. In more recent neighbourhoods, residents have and
need to use their cars. Suppliers cannot deliver goods without vehicles.
Barges and donkeys are no substitute.

She's also the one trying to eliminate or reduce vacation rentals of
apartments.


Hotels owners are protesting against the development of B&Bs.
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 03:38 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
poldy
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On 6/19/16 5:01 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:52:19 -0700, poldy wrote:

I just remember reading somewhere that Mayor Hidalgo wanted to look at
reducing traffic, especially from diesel vehicles. So maybe something
like a congestion fee like London or some other measures.


Hidalgo wants to ban old diesel vehicles, those without efficient fine
particles filters. In the historic districts of the capital, houses don't
have garages. Many residents have no car. They don't really need one for
their every day moves. In more recent neighbourhoods, residents have and
need to use their cars. Suppliers cannot deliver goods without vehicles.
Barges and donkeys are no substitute.

She's also the one trying to eliminate or reduce vacation rentals of
apartments.


Hotels owners are protesting against the development of B&Bs.



Which are the more recent neighborhoods, the ones furthest out from the
river?


As for hotels, of course, since they're able to charge really high rates
now and the city gets a lot of the VAT from hotel stays?

But part of it may be that AirBnB is a high-profile American startup.
Of course there were vacation rentals going back decades but it seems
like a startup worth billions of dollars renting a lot of vacation apts.
is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back?

If AirBnB was a French startup instead ...
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Old July 30th, 2016, 07:15 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Jesper Lauridsen[_1_]
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Default Europe Going Car-Free

On 2016-06-22, poldy wrote:

As for hotels, of course, since they're able to charge really high rates
now and the city gets a lot of the VAT from hotel stays?

But part of it may be that AirBnB is a high-profile American startup.
Of course there were vacation rentals going back decades but it seems
like a startup worth billions of dollars renting a lot of vacation apts.
is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back?


The arguments against AirBnB a

Removes apartments from housing market that is already suffering shortages.

Creates less jobs than hotels and owners might "forget" to report earnings.

Violates zoning and in general ignores all those regulations that regular
hotels have to comply with.

If AirBnB was a French startup instead ...


New York is also cracking down on AirBnB.
 




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