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Smoking ban has dramatically slashed number of heart attacks
On 09/06/2010 12:31, Simon S-B wrote:
"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 11:27, Mike wrote: On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 02:50:39 -0700 (PDT), My two cents wrote: Quality of life is important - not just quantity. indeed, like having clean air in pubs. In the old days I used to go to a pub about 3 or 4 times a year. Now there is no smoking it's about every couple of weeks. You're very much in a minority. Pubs are closing in huge numbers because nobody is going to them since the ban. That's more to do with drink driving laws, esp in the countryside. -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |
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Smoking ban has dramatically slashed number of heart attacks
On 09/06/10 13:11, Tom P wrote:
snip Apparently the risk of suffering a heart attack when watching the World Cup on TV goes up by 400% No risk in this house then. |
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Smoking ban has dramatically slashed number of heart attacks
On 6/9/2010 12:51 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
On 09/06/2010 12:31, Simon S-B wrote: "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 11:27, Mike wrote: On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 02:50:39 -0700 (PDT), My two cents wrote: Quality of life is important - not just quantity. indeed, like having clean air in pubs. In the old days I used to go to a pub about 3 or 4 times a year. Now there is no smoking it's about every couple of weeks. You're very much in a minority. Pubs are closing in huge numbers because nobody is going to them since the ban. That's more to do with drink driving laws, esp in the countryside. Our town centre pubs are dead - several have closed. The only one that's ever packed is the wetherspoons. There is a fantastic pub next door to the wetherspoons which has had no landlord for a year now. Now they have reduced the price - you can pay 5k and take over the running of this pub - no overheads, nothing - just run it and take whatever is left after buying in your booze as profit. They can't even shift it for that (they refuse to adopt a cut-price policy). |
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Smoking ban has dramatically slashed number of heart attacks
On 09/06/10 13:31, Simon S-B wrote:
"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 11:27, Mike wrote: On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 02:50:39 -0700 (PDT), My two cents wrote: Quality of life is important - not just quantity. indeed, like having clean air in pubs. In the old days I used to go to a pub about 3 or 4 times a year. Now there is no smoking it's about every couple of weeks. You're very much in a minority. Pubs are closing in huge numbers because nobody is going to them since the ban. In fact many are converting to restaurants. They were already closing in large numbers long before the ban. The price of a pint and tightening up of drink driving enforcement has a lot more to do with it. |
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Smoking ban has dramatically slashed number of heart attacks
"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 12:31, Simon S-B wrote: "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 11:27, Mike wrote: On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 02:50:39 -0700 (PDT), My two cents wrote: Quality of life is important - not just quantity. indeed, like having clean air in pubs. In the old days I used to go to a pub about 3 or 4 times a year. Now there is no smoking it's about every couple of weeks. You're very much in a minority. Pubs are closing in huge numbers because nobody is going to them since the ban. That's more to do with drink driving laws, esp in the countryside. What a load of twaddle. The drink driving laws have not changed, yet the pubs are shutting. How on earth can you back up that statement? -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |
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Smoking ban has dramatically slashed number of heart attacks
On 9 June, 12:39, "Simon S-B" wrote:
"My two cents" wrote in ... On 9 June, 07:59, "Simon S-B" wrote: Just because we can live longer, should we? Been to a nursing home lately? Think they have a wonderful quality of life? Reckon the economy and the planet in general really needs people living to be 110? But cigarettes don't merely reduce your life expectancy. They reduce the number of years you can expect to live in good health. And being fat and drinking doesn't? No doubt you'll argue 'but me drinking only hurts me, not anyone else'. Do I really need to be getting stats on the causes of crime, and showing where alcohol comes in the list? Have you ever tried sitting on a long haul flight next to a fat *******? Why should you only get half a seat because they have a pie addiction? I'm not against the smoking ban, but those that want to look down their noses at smokers can **** right off unless they don't drink and are an acceptable weight. I'm sorry if you interpreted my post as me looking down my nose at you. As I said in my other post to this thread, it's a personal choice. If you want to smoke, smoke but don't pretend that the reduction of your life expectancy is only the years that aren't worth living anyway. |
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Smoking ban has dramatically slashed number of heart attacks
"Martin" wrote in message ... On 09/06/10 13:31, Simon S-B wrote: "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 11:27, Mike wrote: On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 02:50:39 -0700 (PDT), My two cents wrote: Quality of life is important - not just quantity. indeed, like having clean air in pubs. In the old days I used to go to a pub about 3 or 4 times a year. Now there is no smoking it's about every couple of weeks. You're very much in a minority. Pubs are closing in huge numbers because nobody is going to them since the ban. In fact many are converting to restaurants. They were already closing in large numbers long before the ban. The price of a pint and tightening up of drink driving enforcement has a lot more to do with it. You only had to go out the day before the smoking ban and the day after it to see the difference. My local used to have 4 bars open on a weekend, 2 smoking (upstairs) and 2 non-smoking(downstairs). As soon as the ban came in it only opened 2. Now it opens 1, and it's questionable how long that will last. In the summer, a raft of new customers appear and sit outside where they can smoke. These are the best months for the landlords. When it gets cold again and they have to rely on the non-smokers, they struggle. |
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Smoking ban has dramatically slashed number of heart attacks
On 09/06/2010 13:01, Maria wrote:
On 6/9/2010 12:51 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: On 09/06/2010 12:31, Simon S-B wrote: "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 11:27, Mike wrote: On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 02:50:39 -0700 (PDT), My two cents wrote: Quality of life is important - not just quantity. indeed, like having clean air in pubs. In the old days I used to go to a pub about 3 or 4 times a year. Now there is no smoking it's about every couple of weeks. You're very much in a minority. Pubs are closing in huge numbers because nobody is going to them since the ban. That's more to do with drink driving laws, esp in the countryside. Our town centre pubs are dead - several have closed. The only one that's ever packed is the wetherspoons. I wonder why that is - could it be because it serves good cheap food and is family friendly? There is a fantastic pub next door to the wetherspoons which has had no landlord for a year now. Now they have reduced the price - you can pay 5k and take over the running of this pub - no overheads, nothing - just run it and take whatever is left after buying in your booze as profit. They can't even shift it for that (they refuse to adopt a cut-price policy). Maybe it should be run as something other than a standup drinking and smoking pub, with fights an optional extra. In my experience, the pubs that are going out of business are the squalid dives like my housing estate local. Went in there once - the place stank and was filled with drunk teenagers, old alkies and drug dealers. I bet the smoking ban killed it! -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |
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Smoking ban has dramatically slashed number of heart attacks
On Jun 9, 1:06 pm, "Simon S-B" wrote:
"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in ... On 09/06/2010 12:31, Simon S-B wrote: "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 11:27, Mike wrote: On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 02:50:39 -0700 (PDT), My two cents wrote: Quality of life is important - not just quantity. indeed, like having clean air in pubs. In the old days I used to go to a pub about 3 or 4 times a year. Now there is no smoking it's about every couple of weeks. You're very much in a minority. Pubs are closing in huge numbers because nobody is going to them since the ban. That's more to do with drink driving laws, esp in the countryside. What a load of twaddle. The drink driving laws have not changed, yet the pubs are shutting. How on earth can you back up that statement? But on that note, have you got anything to back up your statement that pubs closing is directly caused by the smoking ban rather than a combination of factors (eg. recession, stricter drink drive enforcing, etc)? |
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Smoking ban has dramatically slashed number of heart attacks
"My two cents" wrote in message ... On 9 June, 12:39, "Simon S-B" wrote: "My two cents" wrote in ... On 9 June, 07:59, "Simon S-B" wrote: Just because we can live longer, should we? Been to a nursing home lately? Think they have a wonderful quality of life? Reckon the economy and the planet in general really needs people living to be 110? But cigarettes don't merely reduce your life expectancy. They reduce the number of years you can expect to live in good health. And being fat and drinking doesn't? No doubt you'll argue 'but me drinking only hurts me, not anyone else'. Do I really need to be getting stats on the causes of crime, and showing where alcohol comes in the list? Have you ever tried sitting on a long haul flight next to a fat *******? Why should you only get half a seat because they have a pie addiction? I'm not against the smoking ban, but those that want to look down their noses at smokers can **** right off unless they don't drink and are an acceptable weight. I'm sorry if you interpreted my post as me looking down my nose at It's what smokers have to deal with everywhere they go. you. As I said in my other post to this thread, it's a personal choice. If you want to smoke, smoke but don't pretend that the reduction of your life expectancy is only the years that aren't worth living anyway. Whose pretending? I have spent enough years caring for elderly relatives to know that I have no intention of being that sort of burden on my kids. I'm hoping for a massive heart attack at about 75, which is what my smoking grandfather had the good grace to do. His wife who never smoked is still going 10 years later, it's just a shame that she doesn't know that as she has dementia. I'm afraid the one thing that all these stats overlook is genetics, and they have a far greater say in if you're going to have a heart attack than anything else. My family is predisposed to going mental. I'd be happy if my body packs up before that happens. As it is, I'm 39, don't drink much, eat well, am not overweight and exercise pretty regularly. I am in better health than most of my non-smoking friends and I don't see why that needs to change. The only time I've been ill in the last 20 years was catching Glandular Fever on the Lions tour. You can't say 'I'm healthier than you because I don't smoke' or even 'I can expect to live in good health longer than you because I don't smoke' because you have no idea what genetic ****e your relatives have passed down to you, or how much your diet, alcohol intake, whether you live in the country or a city, and the amount of exercise you do is affecting things. Do you know how many joggers have heart attacks? Maybe we should ban keeping fit. |
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