Driver Licensing not about highway safety

"proffsl" wrote in message
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Licensing does have nothing to do with highway safety.


Your assertion is simply deluded. A school child could present cogent
reasons as to the correlation between the two. KM
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Hey, I made post 100. Do I get the stuffed teddy bear? Are you going
for 1,700 again? How many times must you be exposed as a fool?

Are you serious? It takes 10,000 for a teddy bear and 20,000 for a toaster.
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:52:03 GMT, "Alohacyberian"
wrote:

"proffsl" wrote in message
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Licensing does have nothing to do with highway safety.


Your assertion is simply deluded. A school child could present cogent
reasons as to the correlation between the two. KM

I agree. However, on an allied subject, this was a news item
here last night. Interviews with the town authorities were
positive; interviews with Insurance representatives were
not:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...505246,00.html

"German Town Scraps Road Signs to Increase Safety

You won't have to worry about getting a ticket for running a
red light in the German town of Bohmte any more -- the town
is abolishing all its road signs and traffic regulations.

Pedestrians and cyclists in Bohmte will have to rely on
their wits from now on -- the town is abolishing traffic
signs.

The idea of a town with no road signs conjures up ideas of
Italian-style traffic mayhem, with cars whizzing everywhere
and nervous pedestrians diving for cover. But for some
traffic experts, such chaos is to be embraced -- or, as the
title of a recent traffic conference in Frankfurt put it,
"unsafe is safe."

Now the town of Bohmte in the German state of Lower Saxony
is putting its money where its motor mouth is -- it's
getting rid of its road signs in a bid to cut accidents.

The work to remove the road signs will begin Wednesday in
the town of 13,500 inhabitants. Sidewalks will disappear, as
will the asphalt, replaced by cobblestones. Cycle lanes and
sidewalks will be distinguished from the road only by color.
The town is putting up half of the project's ¤2.35-million
costs itself, with the EU and other sources of funding
supplying the other half.

The idea is based on the European Union-supported "Shared
Space" (more...) concept of traffic management developed by
the Dutch traffic expert Hans Monderman. According to the
concept, road users have to negotiate their behavior with
each other, rather than have it prescribed by rules -- the
idea being that people will pay more attention to what other
road users are doing and hence cause fewer accidents."


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"Alan S" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:52:03 GMT, "Alohacyberian"
wrote:
"proffsl" wrote in message
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Licensing does have nothing to do with highway safety.

Your assertion is simply deluded. A school child could present cogent
reasons as to the correlation between the two. KM

I agree. However, on an allied subject, this was a news item
here last night. Interviews with the town authorities were
positive; interviews with Insurance representatives were
not:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...505246,00.html

"German Town Scraps Road Signs to Increase Safety

Snipped for brevity

Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
Very interesting concept, but I predict it will increase accidents,
especially for pedestrians. Germany, like Italy, already has traffic injury
and death tolls that are gruesome. And in my personal observation over the
years, some of the most hare-brained schemes have come from governmental
groups' whose actions have put heavy burdens on the populace. KM

"In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and
epochs, it is the rule."
~ Friedrich Nietzsche
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"Alohacyberian" wrote in message
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"Alan S" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:52:03 GMT, "Alohacyberian"
wrote:
"proffsl" wrote in message
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Licensing does have nothing to do with highway safety.

Your assertion is simply deluded. A school child could present cogent
reasons as to the correlation between the two. KM

I agree. However, on an allied subject, this was a news item
here last night. Interviews with the town authorities were
positive; interviews with Insurance representatives were
not:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...505246,00.html

"German Town Scraps Road Signs to Increase Safety

Snipped for brevity

Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
Very interesting concept, but I predict it will increase accidents,
especially for pedestrians. Germany, like Italy, already has traffic
injury and death tolls that are gruesome. And in my personal observation
over the years, some of the most hare-brained schemes have come from
governmental groups' whose actions have put heavy burdens on the populace.
KM

Well, Keith, I have to hand it to you...you didn't go back under that rock
to do the Alvin Toda. But...on the other hand, neither did you address my
question I've been asking you for a while now. You've been ducking and
ducking and ducking and ducking that question:

"Do you agree that a maker of a statement is accountable for that
statement? A simple 'yes' or 'no' from you will suffice."

A question, I might add, rather relevant to all these posts of yours lately.
Now are you going to respond as you have once before with that six year old
kid's "Yes or no. KM"? Or are you going again to do the Keith Martin of
non sequiturs, red herrings, and ad hominems? Or are you yet again going to
do the Alvin Toda by crawling back under that rock to yet again duck my
question?

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:12:32 -0700, "Lawrence Akutagawa"
wrote:


Well, Keith, I have to hand it to you.

Well, Lawrence, I have to hand it to you, you never miss an
opportunity to complain when someone is irrelevant to the ng
in your opinion.

So tell us, what has your comment to do with either r.t.u-c
or driver licensing?


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"Alan S" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:12:32 -0700, "Lawrence Akutagawa"
wrote:


Well, Keith, I have to hand it to you.

Well, Lawrence, I have to hand it to you, you never miss an
opportunity to complain when someone is irrelevant to the ng
in your opinion.

So tell us, what has your comment to do with either r.t.u-c
or driver licensing?

Cheers, Alan, Australia

[chuckle] If you have been following this particular "discussion", Alan, you
would well know that Keith Martin has constantly ducked answering my
question:

"Do you agree that a maker of a statement is accountable for that
statement? A simple 'yes' or 'no' from you will suffice."

Keith has responded with a] a 6 year old kid's "Yes or no. KM", b] by (what
I term the Keith Martin tactic) casting out non sequiturs, red herrings, and
ad hominems, and c] by (what I call the Alvin Toda, after its avid
practitioner) basically disappearing for a while....all the time ducking the
question.

So I take each and every opportunity when Keith emerges out from under that
rock he hides to point out that he indeed has yet to answer that question.
Here we have a person making statements. My unanswered (by him) question is
one of three asked of him with regard to being accountable for one's
statements (such as those he makes). The other two we

1. How one interprets his [ie, Keith's] words "...if Alvin Toda doesn't
feel inclined to respond to any of my questions or those of any other
person, he has that prerogative..." to be logically different from Alvin
being not accountable?

2. What - if indeed Alvin is accountable for what he says - what is the
exact nature of that accountability when he has "...that prerogative.."?

So whatever subject involved, whenever Keith appears I point out that he yet
to answer that one question, it being the most simpl, straightforward, and
basic of the three. And it has the most direct bearing/relevance on his
statements here...whatever the subject. Like - does Keith hold himself
accountable for what he says...whatever the subject? Or is he just blowing
smoke...whatever the subject? But such questions really are
subordinate/secondary to the one that I've been asking (and will continue to
ask) of Keith.

Now why Keith continues to duck time and time again such a simple,
straightforward, and basic question...that you'll have to ask him. One
surmise, of course, of this behavior is that he does not hold that one is
accountable for one's statements and does not answer simply because he does
not want to say as much. But that is purely a surmise only.

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:46:29 GMT, "Lawrence Akutagawa"
wrote:


"Alan S" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:12:32 -0700, "Lawrence Akutagawa"
wrote:


Well, Keith, I have to hand it to you.

Well, Lawrence, I have to hand it to you, you never miss an
opportunity to complain when someone is irrelevant to the ng
in your opinion.

So tell us, what has your comment to do with either r.t.u-c
or driver licensing?

Cheers, Alan, Australia

[chuckle] If you have been following this particular "discussion", Alan, you
would well know that Keith Martin has constantly ducked answering my
question:

"Do you agree that a maker of a statement is accountable for that
statement? A simple 'yes' or 'no' from you will suffice."

Ask someone who cares. And learn to recognise when the horse
you are flogging has not only died but been turned into glue
and frankfurters.


Cheers, Alan, Australia
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"Alan S" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:46:29 GMT, "Lawrence Akutagawa"
wrote:


"Alan S" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:12:32 -0700, "Lawrence Akutagawa"
wrote:


Well, Keith, I have to hand it to you.

Well, Lawrence, I have to hand it to you, you never miss an
opportunity to complain when someone is irrelevant to the ng
in your opinion.

So tell us, what has your comment to do with either r.t.u-c
or driver licensing?

Cheers, Alan, Australia

[chuckle] If you have been following this particular "discussion", Alan,
you
would well know that Keith Martin has constantly ducked answering my
question:

"Do you agree that a maker of a statement is accountable for that
statement? A simple 'yes' or 'no' from you will suffice."

Ask someone who cares. And learn to recognise when the horse
you are flogging has not only died but been turned into glue
and frankfurters.

Cheers, Alan, Australia

So - is that the reason why Keith Martin does not answer my question but
disappears under that rock where he presently is? My posing this particular
question to him whenever he appears here turns him into glue and
frankfurters? Now that is a rather color description of what I have come to
call the Alvin Toda bit. Golly gee, Alan, you may have just found the
answer! Yet....yet...I note that despite your explanation, that Keith has
the remarkable Phoenix-like ability of arising yet again and again to make
statements here...from which I surmise that he is still yet capable of
answering my question. And until he does - one way or the other - I'll
keep asking whenever he does appear so that he can show us all his skillful
use of the Alvin Toda...aka to you, turning into glue and frankfurters.

On Sep 30, 10:31 am, "Lawrence Akutagawa"
wrote:
"Alan S" wrote in message

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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:46:29 GMT, "Lawrence Akutagawa"
wrote:

"Alan S" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:12:32 -0700, "Lawrence Akutagawa"
wrote:

Well, Keith, I have to hand it to you.

Well, Lawrence, I have to hand it to you, you never miss an
opportunity to complain when someone is irrelevant to the ng
in your opinion.

So tell us, what has your comment to do with either r.t.u-c
or driver licensing?

Cheers, Alan, Australia

[chuckle] If you have been following this particular "discussion", Alan,
you
would well know that Keith Martin has constantly ducked answering my
question:

"Do you agree that a maker of a statement is accountable for that
statement? A simple 'yes' or 'no' from you will suffice."

Ask someone who cares. And learn to recognise when the horse
you are flogging has not only died but been turned into glue
and frankfurters.

Cheers, Alan, Australia

So - is that the reason why Keith Martin does not answer my question but
disappears under that rock where he presently is? My posing this particular
question to him whenever he appears here turns him into glue and
frankfurters? Now that is a rather color description of what I have come to
call the Alvin Toda bit. Golly gee, Alan, you may have just found the
answer! Yet....yet...I note that despite your explanation, that Keith has
the remarkable Phoenix-like ability of arising yet again and again to make
statements here...from which I surmise that he is still yet capable of
answering my question. And until he does - one way or the other - I'll
keep asking whenever he does appear so that he can show us all his skillful
use of the Alvin Toda...aka to you, turning into glue and frankfurters.

Then I feel very sorry for you.