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Old September 22nd, 2003, 04:14 AM
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When visitors come from the U.S., what are good bargains? Electronics, Opals,
Camera's, Watches, Cigars, Sheepskins? Thanks.
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Old September 22nd, 2003, 04:27 AM
Peter Webb
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"Papertargets" wrote in message
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When visitors come from the U.S., what are good bargains? Electronics,

Opals,
Camera's, Watches, Cigars, Sheepskins? Thanks.


Maybe opals and possibly sheepskins. The rest of this stuff would be cheaper
in the US.

Kangaroo skins are way cheaper here than in the USA - maybe US$30-40.

There is almost nothing else I can think of which is significantly cheaper
here than in the USA. This is not a shopping destination (at least, not for
Americans, who enjoy the world's best shopping).





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Old September 22nd, 2003, 07:10 AM
Geoff Lillico
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"Papertargets" wrote in message
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When visitors come from the U.S., what are good bargains? Electronics,

Opals,
Camera's, Watches, Cigars, Sheepskins? Thanks.


With the current exchange rate, just about anything! If you buy any goods
which you are exporting back to US with you, ensure you get a "Tax Receipt"
as you might get a refund of the 10% GST upon departure. See
http://www.customs.gov.au/site/text_...=5&nav_id=1067

Geoff Lillico


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Old September 23rd, 2003, 02:37 PM
Peter Webb
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Yeah rent is cheaper.

So is food, a lot of services (eg dentristry) and public transport.

Try taking any of these back to the USA ... flying back home with $2 T-bone
steaks in your luggage is hardly the best in "bargain shopping".



"4000 psi" wrote in message
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rent also seems way cheaper than US

"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
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in article , Peter Webb at
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"Papertargets" wrote in message
...
When visitors come from the U.S., what are good bargains?

Electronics,
Opals,
Camera's, Watches, Cigars, Sheepskins? Thanks.

Maybe opals and possibly sheepskins. The rest of this stuff would be

cheaper
in the US.

Kangaroo skins are way cheaper here than in the USA - maybe US$30-40.

There is almost nothing else I can think of which is significantly

cheaper
here than in the USA. This is not a shopping destination (at least,

not
for
Americans, who enjoy the world's best shopping).






Aussie booze; you can also get Cuban cigars in some specialty shops but
they're the earth.





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Old September 23rd, 2003, 03:07 PM
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$2 T-bones?! ... i am leaving for OZ tomorrow!!! )

"Peter Webb" wrote in message
u...
Yeah rent is cheaper.

So is food, a lot of services (eg dentristry) and public transport.

Try taking any of these back to the USA ... flying back home with $2

T-bone
steaks in your luggage is hardly the best in "bargain shopping".



"4000 psi" wrote in message
news:l2Qbb.1381$La.469@fed1read02...
rent also seems way cheaper than US

"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
wrote in message
news:BB94FBC2.1C102%walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREP LY.ns.sympatico.ca...
in article , Peter Webb

at
wrote on 9/22/03 12:27 AM:


"Papertargets" wrote in message
...
When visitors come from the U.S., what are good bargains?

Electronics,
Opals,
Camera's, Watches, Cigars, Sheepskins? Thanks.

Maybe opals and possibly sheepskins. The rest of this stuff would be

cheaper
in the US.

Kangaroo skins are way cheaper here than in the USA - maybe

US$30-40.

There is almost nothing else I can think of which is significantly

cheaper
here than in the USA. This is not a shopping destination (at least,

not
for
Americans, who enjoy the world's best shopping).






Aussie booze; you can also get Cuban cigars in some specialty shops

but
they're the earth.







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Old September 23rd, 2003, 06:37 PM
Rainer Wolfcastle
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Default What are buys for US citizens visiting Sydney-How About 60,000 Sheep the Aussies Are Torturing?

(Papertargets) wrote in message ...
When visitors come from the U.S., what are good bargains? Electronics, Opals,
Camera's, Watches, Cigars, Sheepskins? Thanks.


Sheepskins? Well the Aussies might torture 60,000 sheep to amuse you.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...082991895.html

60,000 Dying Sheep onboard a national shame for sick Aussies
By Michelle Grattan
September 24, 2003

The MV Cormo Express has become the Tampa of the live sheep export
trade. Unable to land at their destination of Saudi Arabia, more than
50,000 Australian sheep, loaded in early August, yesterday remained in
search of a third country to take them for money, or free.

Their sorry tale - seven weeks on the sea so far, rather than a
fortnight's trip - has raised fresh questions about Australia's
billion-dollar live animal export industry, which regularly causes
thousands of deaths and inflicts suffering that would not be tolerated
onshore.

In the face of this, what does Agriculture Minister Warren Truss say?

He quotes the on-board vet, saying the sheep - apart from about 3800
that have died - have put on weight. As the RSPCA's Hugh Wirth says,
it makes it sound like they're "enjoying some Mediterranean cruise".
They might be getting heavier, but it is not because they're living
comfortably or normally.

The Government refused to say where the ship was - until the media
found it near Dubai - claiming publicity doesn't help the hunt for a
country to take them.


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Nor did it want to give mortality figures, fearing it would get locked
into running a daily death watch. Releasing figures was left to the
ship's owners.

Truss has also condemned "unsympathetic reporting of the issues. For
commentators, reporters or animal liberation activists to paint the
situation in any way that is likely to undermine the confidence of
potential buyers is not helpful to the welfare of the sheep."

Is he serious? Is he really saying yet another cruel disaster in the
livestock export industry should be hushed up?

It is not as though this is an isolated incident, as shown by a glance
through the October 2002 report from Truss's Independent Reference
Group on the trade.

Truss asked for more advice from this group - which had recommended a
much tighter regime more than two years before - after a spate of bad
incidents.

The mortality rates during seven voyages last year - all but one to
the Middle East - we February, MV Norvantes (bound for Jakarta) 99
cattle (8.5 per cent); June, MV Becrux 880 cattle (44 per cent) and
1418 sheep (2 per cent); July, MV Corriedale Express 6119 sheep (11
per cent); July, MV Al Messilah 2173 sheep (3 per cent); July, MV Al
Shuwaikh 5800 sheep (7 per cent); July, Cormo Express 1064 (2 per
cent); and September, Al Shuwaikh 2304 sheep (4 per cent).

The group saw these as "evidence of systematic failures within the
whole live animal export program". It pointed particularly to
shipments originating from Portland, where the animals were poorly
prepared for voyages.

It also said that while some reforms had been made since its February
2000 recommendations, neither industry nor the regulators had been
ready for the "cultural change" required. In other words, a lot of
feet had been dragged. When the sheep arrived, Saudi officials claimed
scabby mouth (against which sheep are now twice vaccinated) was above
the accepted limit - a conclusion rejected by the Australian vet.

Tempting as it might be to look for a political motive, there is no
evidence of this. The Saudis have a record of turning away shiploads.
The live sheep trade to Saudi Arabia resumed only in 2000 after more
than a decade's suspension by Australia; this had followed shipments
being refused on health grounds.

The great concern, on the Government's part, is that if there is too
much hoo-ha over these sheep, the whole trade will be put in jeopardy.
It is worth $200 million to Australia in exports to Saudi Arabia. It's
the risk of a dangerous backlash that's prompted the Government to
intervene in a private transaction, frantically searching for a
destination, even though the sheep, with a Saudi owner, are no longer
Australian sheep but Saudi refugees.

Already exports to Saudi Arabia have been suspended until this is
sorted out. The Government couldn't afford the spectacle of further
ships drifting about.

There are now two issues: what should be done with these animals? And,
is this trade too inhumane to be pursued?

Wirth argues that the Government won't be able to find a port for the
sheep and it's impractical to bring them home, so they should be
progressively put down.

But the Australian Veterinary Association, in a rather harrowing news
release yesterday, said mass slaughter could be "an animal welfare and
environmental disaster". "There will be thousands of litres of blood",
it said; animal rights groups "have not considered that the sheep may
have to watch the slaughter, nor have they considered the welfare of
the people who would have to carry this out".

Both the Government and the industry argue against putting down the
sheep, still hopeful a destination can be found. The Government
doesn't want the sheep repatriated, because it's a long voyage and
there are quarantine difficulties; the ship's owners have canvassed
the possibility of returning them to Fremantle, although they'd much
prefer to offload them regionally.

Greens senator Bob Brown yesterday called for the ship to be ordered
back at once, saying any quarantine problems are Truss's. Meanwhile
Australian authorities are trying to continue negotiations with the
Pakistanis, despite their saying they won't take the sheep.

Animal rights advocate Peter Singer, who calls for euthanasia in this
case, insists the entire live trade is a "disgrace" that should be
stopped.

"It's a terrible ordeal for the animals at the best of times. They
have a nightmare voyage, and then they get treated brutally after they
land, as if they were just sacks of wheat rather than living, feeling
animals. Every year or two, there is another major scandal . . . The
federal minister says that he will implement reforms, but then . . .
the same thing, or something worse, happens again."

The RSPCA opposes the live export industry, but Wirth recognises that
neither side of politics will end it. But he wants much more control
over it.

So does the Australian public. Even if Truss can solve the Cormo
Express problem quickly, what has happened in this and many other
instances should weigh on our conscience.


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Old September 23rd, 2003, 07:48 PM
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(Papertargets) wrote in message
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When visitors come from the U.S., what are good bargains? Electronics,
Opals,
Camera's, Watches, Cigars, Sheepskins? Thanks.


Sheepskins? Well the Aussies might torture 60,000 sheep to amuse you.


try alt.barbeque.give.it.a.rest

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Old September 23rd, 2003, 08:02 PM
Miguel Cruz
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Rainer Wolfcastle wrote:
The great concern, on the Government's part, is that if there is too
much hoo-ha over these sheep, the whole trade will be put in jeopardy.
It is worth $200 million to Australia in exports to Saudi Arabia.


What I don't get is why the Saudis can't just send an imam, a knife, and a
large block of ice over to Australia and avoid this whole nonsense.

miguel
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