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"abelard" wrote in message
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vietnam was not 'a failure'...

That claim demostrates for everyone with a working brain that you are a
clueless boob. Viet Nam was a total failure. A failure of epic proportions.
Not one of the original strategic goals was met. In fact, not many of the
multitude of interim goals were met either.

there is no failure in afghan....there is no certain failure in irak..

Afghanistan isn't a failure yet. But it is teetering on the edge. Karzai is
almost irrelevant. There is no central authority with control of the
countryside. The Taliban is still in the field. The warlords still dominate
most regions. The drug cultivation and trafficing has skyrocketed.
Afghanistan may not be a failure at this time, but it is as close as one can
get.

Iraq is already a monumental failure. All of the original stated aims for a
post Saddam state have been lost. The war has made Iran more dominant in the
region--the exact opposite of what the Bush cabal thought they'd accomplish.

On Fri, 18 May 2007 15:19:48 -0500, "ccr" wrote:


"abelard" wrote in message
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vietnam was not 'a failure'...

That claim demostrates for everyone with a working brain that you are a
clueless boob.

your predictable ignorance is not my problem.....

Viet Nam was a total failure. A failure of epic proportions.
Not one of the original strategic goals was met. In fact, not many of the
multitude of interim goals were met either.

don't be ridiculous....
socialism is dying in vietnam...and china....and russia....

there is no failure in afghan....there is no certain failure in irak..

Afghanistan isn't a failure yet. But it is teetering on the edge. Karzai is
almost irrelevant. There is no central authority with control of the
countryside. The Taliban is still in the field. The warlords still dominate
most regions. The drug cultivation and trafficing has skyrocketed.
Afghanistan may not be a failure at this time, but it is as close as one can
get.

none of that is 'failure'...but you appear to admit that....

Iraq is already a monumental failure. All of the original stated aims for a
post Saddam state have been lost. The war has made Iran more dominant in the
region--the exact opposite of what the Bush cabal thought they'd accomplish.

you are coming to judgement far too early...

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"abelard" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 11:58:04 -0700, wrote:
LOL. This from the guy who when just presented with the data says " I
don't believe."

ah, but i've done my own research...


Then you are either an incompetent or a liar. When shown data from reputable
sources, you wave your arms and claim the data is somehow skewed or bogus.
Yet, you present NO COHERENT alternative argument. You present no data to
counter that presented to you. In other words, you're all talk. Your "own
research" must be double-top-secret.

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"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of
fighting a foreign enemy." James Madison

On Fri, 18 May 2007 13:39:54 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 21:31:40 +0200, abelard
wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 08:23:47 -0700, wrote:

On 18 May 2007 03:56:31 -0700, "Mark, Devon"
wrote:

Lower tax rates have led to higher tax revenues many times, both
before and since Keynes' statement -- the Kennedy tax cuts in the
1960s, the Reagan tax cuts in the 1980s, and the recent Bush tax cuts
that have led to record high tax revenues this April.

That's a lie as to the Bush and Reagan tax cuts.

Budget deficits have often resulted from runaway spending but seldom
from reduced tax rates.


This is utter nonsense. and has been rebutted repeatedly, but the GOP
liars are still fond of repeating it.

One. Revenues virtually always increase - with or without tax cuts. We
have population growth leading to 10,000s of new tax payers every
year. Hence revenues should increase anyway. In addition we have
inflation which would increase the level of revenues in absolute terms
even if we didn't have population growth.

omg you're another typical leftist empty headed pseudo-academic

two pragraphs arguing against your own claim....

I'm sorry is English your second language. You clearly have
difficulties with it.

rest binned unread

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On Fri, 18 May 2007 13:43:11 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 21:35:22 +0200, abelard
wrote:

LOL. All you've done is say" nuh, uh" and "I don't believe it". You've
cited, quoted or shown nothing.

no...among other items
i've pointed out that your claimed fact was not a fact...

By bald assertion. That's pathetic.

you made false assertions....
now you wish to deflect attention from your falsehoods...
i do understand but you will be unable to distract attention
from your falsehoods or foolishness


rest binned unread

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wrote in message
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(snipped)
And get this, he has a web page where he presents "philosophy". But
he seems totally incapable of presenting anything in a logical or
coherent way. He stamps his feet and says "nuh uh", and that's seems
to be the some of his act. He is all bald assertion and no content.


Well, I've had conversations with Bertrand Russel face to face and he could
get very dismissive of other people's opinions. Sometimes opinions of
some crass personalities induce those feelings. It didn't make his
philosophy any less pertinent.

On Fri, 18 May 2007 15:37:50 -0500, "ccr" wrote:


"abelard" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 11:58:04 -0700, wrote:
LOL. This from the guy who when just presented with the data says " I
don't believe."

ah, but i've done my own research...


Then you are either an incompetent or a liar.

assertions you will not be able to support

the original claim by some poster here on the comparison was incorrect

When shown data from reputable
sources,

i am unconvinced the source is 'reputable'
the source is usually publishing pr flyers from 'scientists'

but that is of little relevance to their wiki claims....

you wave your arms and claim the data is somehow skewed or bogus.

how can one tell..the data as methods are not public...or were
not made public well after the claims

Yet, you present NO COHERENT alternative argument.

i'm not going to make an alternative argument based on
alleged data i cannot examine

i have used britannica widely....it is usually accurate....
(the articles are also usually attributable)
i look at wiki regularly....it has at least 3 categories....

dates of birth and death...lists of isotopes for elements....
these are generally accurate...and doubtless copied from
books of tables....film books etc....
that's actually useful, but trivial
it has vast areas of opinion by people who are not very bright
on subjects they of which they usually have a very poor grasp...
it has many short cribbed items which are wholly inadequate....
and widely wrong in matters of fact

doubtless if a closed magazine that mostly restricts itself to
physics, chemistry and the like....then examined such items
only in the first category in wikipedia and in britannica...
then i think it quite credible they could come to the conclusions
they did...*on that limited data set*...but as i am unable to see
the data set, i am unable to suss how they reached the *opinion*
(or guess) that they expressed...

You present no data to
counter that presented to you. In other words, you're all talk. Your "own
research" must be double-top-secret.

no, it isn't secret....you may easily go to my publicly accessible
site and work out the sort of thing i am liable to check with
wiki and many other sites....
you may then do some real work of your own in order to work
out the accuracy and comprehensiveness of the wiki items...

wiki is an irritating site that gets *far* more credence than it
merits...
it is important to me that my own items are of a better quality....
so i check out the stats in wiki and many other places...
see if there is anything that i've missed that may be
'interesting'....
see if the stts are factual....often it is finding errors when i
then research the matter presented as 'fact'....and if the
results of my checking or research are interesting i put them
on my own documents..

i have corrected items at wiki.....they are usually rapidly returned
to the original false stts etc....
i have had communication with idiots at wiki....
i don't suffer fools nor do i fight them....fools waste my valuable
time...

their attitude is clearly that i should give them my time and
my work for free...
that will not happen

their attitude is clearly that they know of matters which they clearly
do not...
like most dopes they don't like being corrected....

bit like you, and some others hereabouts, i expect

(my mouse is broken/sticking atm so my spell/word
checking may put in daft transcriptions)

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On Fri, 18 May 2007 13:52:33 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 15:37:50 -0500, "ccr" wrote:


"abelard" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 18 May 2007 11:58:04 -0700, wrote:
LOL. This from the guy who when just presented with the data says " I
don't believe."

ah, but i've done my own research...


Then you are either an incompetent or a liar. When shown data from reputable
sources, you wave your arms and claim the data is somehow skewed or bogus.
Yet, you present NO COHERENT alternative argument. You present no data to
counter that presented to you. In other words, you're all talk. Your "own
research" must be double-top-secret.


And get this, he has a web page where he presents "philosophy". But
he seems totally incapable of presenting anything in a logical or
coherent way. He stamps his feet and says "nuh uh", and that's seems
to be the some of his act. He is all bald assertion and no content.

naturally you will not be able to support that idiotic claim

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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 15:05:30 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 23:53:53 +0200, abelard
wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 13:43:11 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 21:35:22 +0200, abelard
wrote:

LOL. All you've done is say" nuh, uh" and "I don't believe it". You've
cited, quoted or shown nothing.

no...among other items
i've pointed out that your claimed fact was not a fact...

By bald assertion. That's pathetic.

you made false assertions....

My claim was simple. A study compared wikipedia and Britanica and
found them of equal reliability.

you claim remains false....
as already explained

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On Fri, 18 May 2007 15:40:56 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 19 May 2007 00:33:32 +0200, abelard
wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 15:05:30 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 23:53:53 +0200, abelard
wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 13:43:11 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 21:35:22 +0200, abelard
wrote:

LOL. All you've done is say" nuh, uh" and "I don't believe it". You've
cited, quoted or shown nothing.

no...among other items
i've pointed out that your claimed fact was not a fact...

By bald assertion. That's pathetic.

you made false assertions....

My claim was simple. A study compared wikipedia and Britanica and
found them of equal reliability.

you claim remains false....
as already explained


LOL. There was no article ? Do you really how petulantly childish you
sound?

no, your claim is incorrect....
keep at it...concentrate real hard...and just maybe you'll work it out

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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
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