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"Graham W" wrote:
These are educated people that Australia gets for free. VH-CBR wrote: and yet, wasn't the figure quoted as 500,000 on our dole? From a country of 5, 000,000 that's interesting figures. No it's not. It's a number you have plucked out of the air and "suggested" so that if you're actually called on to provide a source you can deny it. Come back with some real figures if you want to be taken seriously. You could start with really easy stuff like the population of New Zealand and the number of New Zealand citizens in Australia, with urls to suitable sources. Until then, I see no point at all in discussing these fictions. You people seem to have some bizarre obsession with keeping "freeloaders" out, even if they happen to be very good for Australia. Freeloaders are never good for a country And you still haven't explained what a freeloader is? An educated immigrant who arrives and works and pays taxes? I'm absolutely staggered at the blatant bull**** and hostility I'm seeing here directed at New Zealand by apparently normal sensible Australians. If you can get so upset about New Zealand, how do you all feel about anyone who's skin colour or culture is actually different? Obviously it is time Tasmanians were cut loose to fend for themselves. They're not like us you know. And they certainly do benefit from subsidies from the rest of Australia. |
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"Alan" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:32:28 GMT, "VH-CBR" wrote: There are people who actually want to be Merkins? Interesting and kinky concept. I don't think so, but the Merkins seem to think there are Check your dictionary :-) http://www.dictionary.com it has 2 meanings, they appear to be interchangeable. ) |
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"Graham W" wrote:
Free loader? How am I freeloading? VH-CBR wrote: I felt his points were well made, try re-reading his post and you'll have answered your own question. why make him retype the same thing over again when it was so clearly stated. He's completely failed to explain how I am freeloading by failing to pay up $100 or so (which no locally born citizen pays) to become a citizen, whilst paying exactly the same taxes and receiving exactly the same benefits as any citizen. So what? Life is about community .. you appear to think it's about you. No. But I don;t think it's about meaningless ceremonies. and yet you choose to live here and insult the citizens of this country by suggesting it's not good enough for you to want to be a permanent part of. I am a permanent part. It's called a permanent resident's visa. And I have never suggested it wasn't good enough for anything. Can you not understand that this is not about Australia, it is about citizenship. I see no value in taking out citizenship. My presence in Australia is as much an accident of fate as yours. Really? and yet you choose not to rectify that. What is there to rectify? I'm happy living here. This is where my life is. I just don't see any point in nationalistic proclamations and bull****. I simply cited myself as a case to prove (sic, should be disprove) someone's silly claim that the world consists of people who are Australian and people who want to be Australian. I thought it was a world that consisted of Merkins and people who wanted to be Merkins Shudder! Have you been there? But clearly the fact that you are here and have no intention of going elsewhere contradicts your statement. You are, as you say, in your mind, an Australian .. No, I'm not. And all my life at various times people like you lot have reminded me why I don;t want to ask permission to be one of you and to swear allegiance to you. Because what I most certainly am not is the sort of person who thinks that 10% of New Zealand is on the dole in Australia or that any person who has the wrong acent is a freeloader. therefore there are Australians (us) and people who want to be Australian (you) as seen by your decision to remain in this country when you could easily be elsewhere. Thus I suspect you proved the point for the opposition. If you insist on putting me into one of these categories then you'd better put me down as already Australia under your system, because I certainly am not in any hurry to become anything I am not already. And if by Australian you mean permanantly resident here, (and not an Aussie citizen permanently resident abroad), then I guess I happily concede that I'm an aussie. But since the nationalistic nutters who place such great value on citizenship go to such great trouble to make me feel an outsider from time to time, I have no interest in joining them. But if you mean a citizen of the Commonwealth of Australia, well, we've done that to death already. |
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"Graham W" wrote:
I am a citizen of two other countries, one of which I lived in until I was five, the other of which I have visited for a total of perhaps 4 weeks of my life. My home is Australia, and I don't need a certificate from the government to prove it. VH-CBR wrote: Clearly your home isn't Australia then. Let's face it, it wouldn't prove anything anyway, any more than a marriage licence proves spouses won't stray, since all I have to do is pay my money and say the right things. Lack of morality, lack of loyalty, lack of patriotism ... people like that are quite pathetic. I don't go to church either. |
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"Graham W" wrote in message ... "Graham W" wrote: These are educated people that Australia gets for free. No it's not. It's a number you have plucked out of the air and "suggested" so that if you're actually called on to provide a source you can deny it. wow .. i've never met a true psychic before..... pity that like so many before you, you use assumption as fact ;o) Come back with some real figures if you want to be taken seriously. You could start with really easy stuff like the population of New Zealand and the number of New Zealand citizens in Australia, with urls to suitable sources. Until then, I see no point at all in discussing these fictions. Na, i'll pass on that because your first paragraph has shown what sort of person you are .. and really, the sport is in prodding the fools ... And you still haven't explained what a freeloader is? Don't own a dictionary huh? An educated immigrant who arrives and works and pays taxes? Now why would I do all your work for you ... Mind you, i've not seen that as any explaination for freeloader ... but clearly you're telling the story here and what other people have typed appears to be irrelevant to your agenda. I'm absolutely staggered at the blatant bull**** and hostility I'm seeing here directed at New Zealand by apparently normal sensible Australians. Really? That's interesting .. because last time I was in New Zealand I thought the exact same thing about them. If you can get so upset about New Zealand, how do you all feel about anyone who's skin colour or culture is actually different? Different to what? Obviously it is time Tasmanians were cut loose to fend for themselves. They're not like us you know. And they certainly do benefit from subsidies from the rest of Australia. Seems that not only do you like to tell us what we are thinking, you like to generalise ... perhaps a more mature outlook to the conversation might be called for? |
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"Graham W" wrote in message ... "Graham W" wrote: He's completely failed to explain how I am freeloading by failing to pay up $100 or so (which no locally born citizen pays) to become a citizen, whilst paying exactly the same taxes and receiving exactly the same benefits as any citizen. Actually, you are incorrect. You simply failed to comprehend or accept what he wrote. He did set it out and whether you agree or not he did make the statement. Personally, I find your attitude to the country I live in and love to be appallingly arrogant and ignorant. Your attitude to patriotism is just beyond belief and quite frantly, I would join the suggestion that you consider *going home*. But for different reasons than the ones he posted. All to often we are seeing anti-Australian behaviour in those who have come over here, or are 1st generation .. violence in the name of some overseas issue and so forth, I happen to think it's the lack of patriotism and country pride that is behind most of that behaviour. So I feel that you should love where you live or find somewhere to live that you love, and if you loved where you lived you'd want to be a citizen. Seems sort of selfish to me to want the "best of both worlds". No. But I don;t think it's about meaningless ceremonies. And we're aware of your opinion already, clearly there are those of us out here who disagree with you. I certainly don't think the ceremony is without meaning, but the fact that you do says a lot about your personality, and IMO it's not positive. I am a permanent part. It's called a permanent resident's visa. And I have never suggested it wasn't good enough for anything. Yes you have, and as an Australian citizen I take offense at your very public insulting of my patriotic view of my country. Can you not understand that this is not about Australia, it is about citizenship. Incorrect, it's about Patriotism and country pride. Citizenship is merely an affirmation of these things. The country is good enough for you to live in, but not good enough for you to become a citizen. Interesting. I see no value in taking out citizenship. I'm aware of that, and I see no value in you living here if you feel that way. What is there to rectify? I'm happy living here. This is where my life is. I just don't see any point in nationalistic proclamations and bull****. Yes, you want to enjoy the country as it is today, without the acknowledgement of those who have gone before and did what is necessary to make it what it is today. Pity isn't it, that it isn't the wonderful place it used to be .. and that's because of people who don't have the patriotic pride in the country than those who lived before us. Shudder! Have you been there? Yes, and whilst I understand why they think they live in the best country in the world I know they are wrong ) No, I'm not. And all my life at various times people like you lot have reminded me why I don;t want to ask permission to be one of you and to swear allegiance to you. You keep telling yourself that, but the very fact that you remain here belies your statement. By the way, i've never asked anyone to swear allegiance to me. Because what I most certainly am not is the sort of person who thinks that 10% of New Zealand is on the dole in Australia or that any person who has the wrong acent is a freeloader. You are combining the comments of 2 distinct individuals there. Remember who you are speaking with. At no time did I ever suggest anything the meaning of freeloader. If you insist on putting me into one of these categories then you'd better put me down as already Australia under your system, because I certainly am not in any hurry to become anything I am not already. You aren't anything already really are you? Your not Australian, your not British (assuming that's what you were alluding to earlier) .. you're sort of lost in the middle, wanting the best of all worlds but committing to none. And if by Australian you mean permanantly resident here, (and not an Aussie citizen permanently resident abroad), then I guess I happily concede that I'm an aussie. But since the nationalistic nutters who place such great value on citizenship go to such great trouble to make me feel an outsider from time to time, I have no interest in joining them. and a snob to boot eh? ) But if you mean a citizen of the Commonwealth of Australia, well, we've done that to death already. Has it? or are you just sick of the fact that others don't agree with you? |
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"Graham W" wrote in message ... "Graham W" wrote: I don't go to church either. again, this isn't Merka ... |
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"Raffi Balmanoukian" a wrote in message news:BC660541.213BE%walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREP LY.ns.sympatico.ca... 'Merkins think? Hmmm.. valid point .... ) |
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"VH-CBR" wrote in message ... "Graham W" wrote in message ... "Graham W" wrote: These are educated people that Australia gets for free. No it's not. It's a number you have plucked out of the air and "suggested" so that if you're actually called on to provide a source you can deny it. wow .. i've never met a true psychic before..... pity that like so many before you, you use assumption as fact ;o) mate, this is a NG..its chocka with psychics gra |
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