If I Were In Charge of Airport Security

nobody wrote:

If you istruct profiling of "arabs", then you can be sure that terrorists will
make damned sure that they do not look like arabs and go though undetected.

No one is saying that others get a pass.

You ignore the numbers game. The vast majority of those willing to kill
themselves for a cause come from a rather well defined socioeconomic group. That
being uneducated, unemployed and indoctrinated from an early age and have grown
up in a certain geographic area. You certainly did not see Arafat, Bin Laden or
any other radical leadership volunteering to take their life.

While you may find the ocasional non-arab willing to do that, the odds change
considerably.

vel-ly in-ter-esting & explanatory


http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky...s/10271027.htm

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:41:12 -0500 in rec.travel.air, nobody
wrote:

If terrorists can't take their bomb through security, they will just arrange
for the plane to be loaded with bathroom supplies that contain soap shaped C4
bars, and during flight, they'll get their supplies from the lavatories.

lavatory soap on planes has been liquid ever since my first
flight on a boeing stratocruiser over 50 years ago.

MRI: Another Screening Tool?

please see the last paragraph of this Reuters copyrighted article

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

WASHINGTON, Nov 29 (Reuters) - Brain scans show that the brains of people who
are lying look very different from those of people who are telling the truth,
U.S. researchers said on Monday.

The study, using functional magnetic resonance imaging or fMRI, not only sheds
light on what goes on when people lie but may also provide new technology for
lie-detecting, the researchers said.

"There may be unique areas in the brain involved in deception that can be
measured with fMRI," said Dr. Scott Faro, director of the Functional Brain
Imaging Center at Temple University School of Medicine in Philadelphia.

"There may be unique areas in the brain involved in truth-telling," Faro added
at a news conference.

Faro and colleagues tested 10 volunteers. Six of them were asked to shoot a toy
gun and then lie and say they didn't do it. Three others who watched told the
truth about what happened. One volunteer dropped out of the study.

While giving their "testimony," the volunteers were hooked up both to a
conventional polygraph and also had their brain activity imaged using fMRI,
which used a strong magnet to provide a real-time picture of brain activity.

There were clear differences between the liars and the truth-tellers, Faro's
team told a meeting in Chicago of the Radiological Society of North America.

"We found a total of seven areas of activation in the deception (group)," he
said. "We found four areas of activity in the truth-telling arm."

Overall, it seemed to take more brain effort to tell the lie than to tell the
truth, Faro found.

Lying caused activity in the frontal part of the brain --- the medial inferior
and pre-central areas, as well as the hippocampus and middle temporal regions
and the limbic areas. Some of these are involved in emotional responses, Faro
said.

During a truthful response, the fMRI showed activation of parts of the brain's
frontal lobe, temporal lobe and cingulate gyrus.

Faro said the study was small and limited. Volunteers were not asked to try
especially hard to deceive the equipment, he said -- noting that it has been
documented that some people can fool a polygraph using various techniques.

Using fMRI as a lie detector is expensive, but it may be worthwhile in some
cases -- such as trying to question a terrorism suspect, or in a high-profile
corporate crime case, Faro said.


AlertNet news is provided by


Printable view | Email this article | Send comments





--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
© 1998-2001 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or
redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is

ny post editorial excerpt about the sudden resignation of tom ridge

http://nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/21049.htm

copyrighted ny post 2004

"...Ridge has also been criticized for some decisions, like having
Transportation Security Agency workers at airports frisking such "obviously"
non-terrorist suspects as little old ladies."

"Ridiculous as those searches often seem, that complaint is a bum rap: Elements
of randomness — unpredictability — in surveillance and prevention is vital
to effectively counter terrorism. Al Qaeda's killers, in particular, are
meticulous planners who are thrown off stride by changes in routine. "

"And innocent third parties have been co-opted into carrying explosives aboard
commercial airplanes in the past."

"If America's enemies can think the unimaginable, unlikely and ridiculous,
those tasked with protecting America's cities and towns have to do the same."

"Tom Ridge has performed an important service in the post-9/11 transition
period: helping order the country's domestic priorities in the War on
Terror...."

my very humble & glib & boring comment as an internet kibbitzer:

i have previously stated what i perceive as a better-adaptive tool for
screening --both profiling & p.s.e. lie detection using a couple of very
pertinent questions amongst control questions

so, rather than discussion of what should be done, we get ridge's euphemistic
"to spend time with my family" lie-politics of public relations

such sop (standard operating politics/procedures) causes me to revert to
absurd, distatseful jokes 10.---1., about the lack of saltless pretzels on
airplanes as being dangerous to high blood pressure

c'est la vie

c'est la morte

c'est la absurditie typical realities

ny post editorial excerpt about the sudden resignation of tom ridge

http://nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/21049.htm

copyrighted ny post 2004

"...Ridge has also been criticized for some decisions, like having
Transportation Security Agency workers at airports frisking such "obviously"
non-terrorist suspects as little old ladies."

"Ridiculous as those searches often seem, that complaint is a bum rap: Elements
of randomness — unpredictability — in surveillance and prevention is vital
to effectively counter terrorism. Al Qaeda's killers, in particular, are
meticulous planners who are thrown off stride by changes in routine. "

"And innocent third parties have been co-opted into carrying explosives aboard
commercial airplanes in the past."

"If America's enemies can think the unimaginable, unlikely and ridiculous,
those tasked with protecting America's cities and towns have to do the same."

"Tom Ridge has performed an important service in the post-9/11 transition
period: helping order the country's domestic priorities in the War on
Terror...."

my very humble & glib & boring comment as an internet kibbitzer:

i have previously stated what i perceive as a better-adaptive tool for
screening --both profiling & p.s.e. lie detection using a couple of very
pertinent questions amongst control questions

so, rather than discussion of what should be done, we get ridge's euphemistic
"to spend time with my family" lie-politics of public relations

such sop (standard operating politics/procedures) causes me to revert to
absurd, distatseful jokes 10.---1., about the lack of saltless pretzels on
airplanes as being dangerous to high blood pressure

c'est la vie

c'est la morte

c'est la absurditie typical realities

I certainly would officially authorize profiling

I suppose it is done informally/illegally now, and I can live with such (if it
is indeed), but I am not gonna let public relations sensitivities
determine/over-ride airplane security snip


Unless you believe there are similarities in past terrorists attacks, there
is no good reason to profile passengers.


September 11, 2001 - Terrorists hijack four U.S. commercial airliners taking
off from various locations in the United States in a coordinated suicide
attack. In separate attacks, two of the airliners crash into the twin towers
of the World Trade Center in New York City, which catch fire and eventually
collapse. A third airliner crashes into the Pentagon in Washington, DC,
causing extensive damage. The fourth airliner, also believed to be heading
towards Washington, DC, crashes outside Shanksville, PA., killing all 45
people on board. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40
years of age.

Oct. 12, 2000 - A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the port
of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39. The perpetrators:
Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years of age.

Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya
and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291
killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam,
one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.
The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years of age.

June 21, 1998 - Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy in
Beirut. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years
of age.

June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force
installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed
in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240
Americans. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years
of age.

Nov. 13, 1995 - A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five
of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training.
The "Tigers of the Gulf," "Islamist Movement for Change," and "Fighting
Advocates of God" claim responsibility. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic
males between 20-40 years of age.

February 1993 - A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking garage
in New York's World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding 1,042.
The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years of age.

Dec. 21, 1988 - A bomb destroys Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. All 259
people aboard the Boeing 747 are killed including 189 Americans, as are 11
people on the ground. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between
20-40 years of age.

April 1986 - An explosion damages a TWA flight as it prepares to land in
Athens, Greece. Four people are killed when they are sucked out of the
aircraft. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years
of age.

April 5, 1986 - A bomb destroys the LaBelle discotheque in West Berlin. The
disco was known to be frequented by U.S. servicemen. The attack kills one
American and one German woman and wounds 150, including 44 Americans. The
perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years of age.

December 1985 - Simultaneous suicide attacks are carried out against U.S.
and Israeli check-in desks at Rome and Vienna international airports. 20
people are killed in the two attacks, including four terrorists.
The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years of age.

November 1985 - Hijackers aboard an Egyptair flight kill one American.
Egyptian commandos later storm the aircraft on the isle of Malta, and 60
people are killed. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between
20-40 years of age.

October 1985 - Palestinian terrorists hijack the cruise liner Achille Lauro
(in response to the Israeli attack on PLO headquarters in Tunisia) Leon
Klinghoffer, an elderly, wheelchair-bound American, is killed and thrown
overboard. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years
of age.

August 1985 - A car bomb at a U.S. military base in Frankfurt, Germany kills
two and injures 20. A U.S. soldier murdered for his identity papers is found
a day after the explosion. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between
20-40 years of age.

June 1985 - A TWA airliner is hijacked over the Mediterranean, the start of
a two-week hostage ordeal. The last 39 passengers are eventually released in
Damascus after being held in various locations in Beirut. The perpetrators:
Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years of age.

October 1983 - A suicide car bomb attack against the U.S. Marine barracks in
Beirut kills 241 servicemen. A simultaneous attack on a French base kills 58
paratroopers. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years
of age.

April 1983 - A suicide car bombing against the U.S. embassy in Beirut kills
63, including 17 Americans. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males
between 20-40 years of age.

I certainly would officially authorize profiling

I suppose it is done informally/illegally now, and I can live with such (if it
is indeed), but I am not gonna let public relations sensitivities
determine/over-ride airplane security snip


Unless you believe there are similarities in past terrorists attacks, there
is no good reason to profile passengers.


September 11, 2001 - Terrorists hijack four U.S. commercial airliners taking
off from various locations in the United States in a coordinated suicide
attack. In separate attacks, two of the airliners crash into the twin towers
of the World Trade Center in New York City, which catch fire and eventually
collapse. A third airliner crashes into the Pentagon in Washington, DC,
causing extensive damage. The fourth airliner, also believed to be heading
towards Washington, DC, crashes outside Shanksville, PA., killing all 45
people on board. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40
years of age.

Oct. 12, 2000 - A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the port
of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39. The perpetrators:
Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years of age.

Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya
and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291
killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam,
one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.
The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years of age.

June 21, 1998 - Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy in
Beirut. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years
of age.

June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force
installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed
in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240
Americans. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years
of age.

Nov. 13, 1995 - A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five
of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training.
The "Tigers of the Gulf," "Islamist Movement for Change," and "Fighting
Advocates of God" claim responsibility. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic
males between 20-40 years of age.

February 1993 - A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking garage
in New York's World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding 1,042.
The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years of age.

Dec. 21, 1988 - A bomb destroys Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. All 259
people aboard the Boeing 747 are killed including 189 Americans, as are 11
people on the ground. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between
20-40 years of age.

April 1986 - An explosion damages a TWA flight as it prepares to land in
Athens, Greece. Four people are killed when they are sucked out of the
aircraft. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years
of age.

April 5, 1986 - A bomb destroys the LaBelle discotheque in West Berlin. The
disco was known to be frequented by U.S. servicemen. The attack kills one
American and one German woman and wounds 150, including 44 Americans. The
perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years of age.

December 1985 - Simultaneous suicide attacks are carried out against U.S.
and Israeli check-in desks at Rome and Vienna international airports. 20
people are killed in the two attacks, including four terrorists.
The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years of age.

November 1985 - Hijackers aboard an Egyptair flight kill one American.
Egyptian commandos later storm the aircraft on the isle of Malta, and 60
people are killed. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between
20-40 years of age.

October 1985 - Palestinian terrorists hijack the cruise liner Achille Lauro
(in response to the Israeli attack on PLO headquarters in Tunisia) Leon
Klinghoffer, an elderly, wheelchair-bound American, is killed and thrown
overboard. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years
of age.

August 1985 - A car bomb at a U.S. military base in Frankfurt, Germany kills
two and injures 20. A U.S. soldier murdered for his identity papers is found
a day after the explosion. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between
20-40 years of age.

June 1985 - A TWA airliner is hijacked over the Mediterranean, the start of
a two-week hostage ordeal. The last 39 passengers are eventually released in
Damascus after being held in various locations in Beirut. The perpetrators:
Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years of age.

October 1983 - A suicide car bomb attack against the U.S. Marine barracks in
Beirut kills 241 servicemen. A simultaneous attack on a French base kills 58
paratroopers. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males between 20-40 years
of age.

April 1983 - A suicide car bombing against the U.S. embassy in Beirut kills
63, including 17 Americans. The perpetrators: Mideastern Islamic males
between 20-40 years of age.

The current inspection is not to prevent any wrong doings, but instead
are done to harass and terrorize people.

The ones who done 'terror' acts and the ones who done 'counter-terror'
acts are collaborating with each other and shared the same master.

The primary goal is nothing more than to make people fight each other
and feel uncomfortable.


If you felt upset, 'they' won.

I'd definitely Profile.

No, I'm not a racist.

I'm an international airline Captain.

I want the most security possible for my flights.

It works for law enforcement. It works for El-Al.

Despite it's proven effectiveness, we don't profile in the U.S. because
of fear of offending and political correctness.

Do you know that all the 9-11 terrorists passed all of the things we
currently screen for?

Norman Minetta, who thankfully is now leaving as Secretary of
Transportation, was interned during WWII because he was a Japanese
American. He's the reason that we've been so wimpy about really
effectively screening through profiling.

My 72-year old mother gets scrutinized while Middle Eastern, young,
Muslim males don't get additional screening. We certainly wouldn't want
to offend them would we.

If you look back at almost every recent terrorist incident against the
U.S.- it was done by male, Middle-Eastern, single muslims, age 20s to
30s.. That's not profiling, it's a desctiption of the perpitrators. The
police would call it an APB.

Let's stop being so sensitive and get serious about security.
That way it should become easier for the majority of the traveling
public and the TSA would be free to be more effectve.


--
PilotPaul
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PilotPaul's Profile: http://travelforums.org/forums/member.php?userid=293
View this thread: http://travelforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18162
This post was submitted via http://www.TravelForums.org