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Old May 16th, 2010, 11:53 AM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,soc.retirement,rec.travel.europe
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From Canada: "Europe Reaps What It Sowed"- barely 30% of Europeans
work

National Post: May 15, 2010, 9:45 AM by NP Editor


http://preview.tinyurl.com/z136a10

Excerpt:

"The economic shambles in Europe is the greatest crisis facing the
West. It is a startling disintegration, especially given the lofty
hopes briefly generated in the Europhoria of Western and Central
European union following the implosion of the USSR.

The United States, by contrast, remains a proud and determined country
with a hard-working and immensely skilled work force, and is unafraid
to deploy its superb military in good causes, exchanging live fire
with civilization’s enemies.....

.....The United States has made some disastrous economic mistakes and
there are terrible problems in the justice, education and health-care
systems, but it certainly has the means, if not at the moment
apparently, the leadership, to work its way out of the problems. Such
an incomparably successful country, having led the defeat of the
Nazis, seen off the economic threat of Japan and induced and watched
the soufflé-like collapse of the USSR and international Communism, can
probably afford two decades of erratic leadership, as long as it ends
soon. Dealing with the current problems will not be like falling off a
log, but Americans, despite the widely accepted caricature of them as
an obese lumpenbourgeoisie, have not been mollycoddled by the state as
Europeans have and have not become inert and dyspeptic as most of the
nationalities of the old continent have...


....It was only 10 or 15 years ago when European elites dreamed audibly
of standing on each others’ shoulders and reliving the glories of
Europe’s preeminence in the world, before it gave us Nazism and
Communism. There abounded smug remarks to the effect that the United
States was about to become a majority non-white country, which
continued until much of Western Europe itself, stunted by a collapsed
birthrate and trying to replace the unborn with unassimilable
immigration, erupted in sectarian violence. (In the United States,
meanwhile, almost all immigrants sign on to the American Way
eventually, and their pigmentation is irrelevant....

....the most chronic problem in Europe: Barely 30% of Europeans work,
to sustain the rest. Working hours have been steadily reduced in most
countries; holidays have multiplied, and perhaps even more than
elsewhere, Europe has fled to service industry and public-sector
employment, which is often not really productive work, or may be just
disguised welfare, or at least workfare.....


....The 13 years of New Labour in Britain have squandered almost every
advantage the 18 previous years of Margaret Thatcher and John Major
accomplished, except flexible labour markets. Britain is overtaxed
like the rest of Europe; public sector spending is over 50% of GDP,
and now government is in the hands of a pantomime horse coalition of
parties who do not agree on much and are led by two young pretty faces
who have never been tested and were not impressive in the election
campaign....

.....Russia is a melting iceberg, a sharply declining, alcohol-sodden
population with no sign of economic progress or renewal apart from the
oil industry and pandemic corruption and wilfull lawlessness in all
areas of government. Its only distinct policy is to terrify or seduce
former Soviet republics that seceded from the Soviet Union..."
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On May 16, 6:53*am, "Tis PJ O'Donovan" wrote:
From Canada: "Europe Reaps What It Sowed"- barely 30% of Europeans
work



What Europe need is an ultra capitalist genius like Bush to come in,
change things around and shape things up like he left them in 2008.
Thanks to Bush, 25% of Americans don't work or are underemployed.
That's why they were so popular in the 2008 election.

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Old May 16th, 2010, 02:59 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,soc.retirement,rec.travel.europe
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On May 16, 6:53*am, "Tis PJ O'Donovan" wrote:
From Canada: "Europe Reaps What It Sowed"- barely 30% of Europeans
work

National Post: May 15, 2010, 9:45 AM by NP Editor

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z136a10

Excerpt:

"The economic shambles in Europe is the greatest crisis facing the
West. It is a startling disintegration, especially given the lofty
hopes briefly generated in the Europhoria of Western and Central
European union following the implosion of the USSR.

The United States, by contrast, remains a proud and determined country
with a hard-working and immensely skilled work force, and is unafraid
to deploy its superb military in good causes, exchanging live fire
with civilization’s enemies.....

....The United States has made some disastrous economic mistakes and
there are terrible problems in the justice, education and health-care
systems, but it certainly has the means, if not at the moment
apparently, the leadership, to work its way out of the problems. Such
an incomparably successful country, having led the defeat of the
Nazis, seen off the economic threat of Japan and induced and watched
the soufflé-like collapse of the USSR and international Communism, can
probably afford two decades of erratic leadership, as long as it ends
soon. Dealing with the current problems will not be like falling off a
log, but Americans, despite the widely accepted caricature of them as
an obese lumpenbourgeoisie, have not been mollycoddled by the state as
Europeans have and have not become inert and dyspeptic as most of the
nationalities of the old continent have...

...It was only 10 or 15 years ago when European elites dreamed audibly
of standing on each others’ shoulders and reliving the glories of
Europe’s preeminence in the world, before it gave us Nazism and
Communism. There abounded smug remarks to the effect that the United
States was about to become a majority non-white country, which
continued until much of Western Europe itself, stunted by a collapsed
birthrate and trying to replace the unborn with unassimilable
immigration, erupted in sectarian violence. (In the United States,
meanwhile, almost all immigrants sign on to the American Way
eventually, and their pigmentation is irrelevant....

...the most chronic problem in Europe: Barely 30% of Europeans work,
to sustain the rest. Working hours have been steadily reduced in most
countries; holidays have multiplied, and perhaps even more than
elsewhere, Europe has fled to service industry and public-sector
employment, which is often not really productive work, or may be just
disguised welfare, or at least workfare.....

...The 13 years of New Labour in Britain have squandered almost every
advantage the 18 previous years of Margaret Thatcher and John Major
accomplished, except flexible labour markets. Britain is overtaxed
like the rest of Europe; public sector spending is over 50% of GDP,
and now government is in the hands of a pantomime horse coalition of
parties who do not agree on much and are led by two young pretty faces
who have never been tested and were not impressive in the election
campaign....

....Russia is a melting iceberg, a sharply declining, alcohol-sodden
population with no sign of economic progress or renewal apart from the
oil industry and pandemic corruption and wilfull lawlessness in all
areas of government. Its only distinct policy is to terrify or seduce
former Soviet republics that seceded from the Soviet Union..."


Selected responses to the article:

by almasy
May 15 2010
12:35 PM
..

Back in the mid-nineties I lived in the UK and was working an entry
level job at a firm.

After being there for 6 months and watching several terrible coworkers
get promoted who started at the same time, I asked a senior manager
about this and was informed that I was "working far too hard" and
"this isn't North America".

He then went on to tell me that I would never be promoted as long as I
worked so hard because they would never be able to find someone who
would work that hard at my position.

He told me to "ease off a bit" and my prospects for advancement would
improve.

I still remember the thought in my head;

What a society you are building here.


by ZeeBC
May 15 2010
1:06 PM
You have it right Almasy. Good workers are hard to replace. It is best
to promote the useless and indolent so production does not suffer.
This only occurs in government and large unionized companies.

It is easy to see the root cause of Europe's slide into mediocrity and
irrelevance.

Socialism.




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Old May 16th, 2010, 04:06 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,soc.retirement,rec.travel.europe
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On May 16, 9:59*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
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On May 16, 6:53*am, "Tis PJ O'Donovan" wrote:





From Canada: "Europe Reaps What It Sowed"- barely 30% of Europeans
work


National Post: May 15, 2010, 9:45 AM by NP Editor


http://preview.tinyurl.com/z136a10


Excerpt:


"The economic shambles in Europe is the greatest crisis facing the
West. It is a startling disintegration, especially given the lofty
hopes briefly generated in the Europhoria of Western and Central
European union following the implosion of the USSR.


The United States, by contrast, remains a proud and determined country
with a hard-working and immensely skilled work force, and is unafraid
to deploy its superb military in good causes, exchanging live fire
with civilization’s enemies.....


....The United States has made some disastrous economic mistakes and
there are terrible problems in the justice, education and health-care
systems, but it certainly has the means, if not at the moment
apparently, the leadership, to work its way out of the problems. Such
an incomparably successful country, having led the defeat of the
Nazis, seen off the economic threat of Japan and induced and watched
the soufflé-like collapse of the USSR and international Communism, can
probably afford two decades of erratic leadership, as long as it ends
soon. Dealing with the current problems will not be like falling off a
log, but Americans, despite the widely accepted caricature of them as
an obese lumpenbourgeoisie, have not been mollycoddled by the state as
Europeans have and have not become inert and dyspeptic as most of the
nationalities of the old continent have...


...It was only 10 or 15 years ago when European elites dreamed audibly
of standing on each others’ shoulders and reliving the glories of
Europe’s preeminence in the world, before it gave us Nazism and
Communism. There abounded smug remarks to the effect that the United
States was about to become a majority non-white country, which
continued until much of Western Europe itself, stunted by a collapsed
birthrate and trying to replace the unborn with unassimilable
immigration, erupted in sectarian violence. (In the United States,
meanwhile, almost all immigrants sign on to the American Way
eventually, and their pigmentation is irrelevant....


...the most chronic problem in Europe: Barely 30% of Europeans work,
to sustain the rest. Working hours have been steadily reduced in most
countries; holidays have multiplied, and perhaps even more than
elsewhere, Europe has fled to service industry and public-sector
employment, which is often not really productive work, or may be just
disguised welfare, or at least workfare.....


...The 13 years of New Labour in Britain have squandered almost every
advantage the 18 previous years of Margaret Thatcher and John Major
accomplished, except flexible labour markets. Britain is overtaxed
like the rest of Europe; public sector spending is over 50% of GDP,
and now government is in the hands of a pantomime horse coalition of
parties who do not agree on much and are led by two young pretty faces
who have never been tested and were not impressive in the election
campaign....


....Russia is a melting iceberg, a sharply declining, alcohol-sodden
population with no sign of economic progress or renewal apart from the
oil industry and pandemic corruption and wilfull lawlessness in all
areas of government. Its only distinct policy is to terrify or seduce
former Soviet republics that seceded from the Soviet Union..."


Selected responses to the article:

by almasy
May 15 2010
12:35 PM
.

Back in the mid-nineties I lived in the UK and was working an entry
level job at a firm.

After being there for 6 months and watching several terrible coworkers
get promoted who started at the same time, I asked a senior manager
about this and was informed that I was "working far too hard" and
"this isn't North America".

He then went on to tell me that I would never be promoted as long as I
worked so hard because they would never be able to find someone who
would work that hard at my position.

He told me to "ease off a bit" *and my prospects for advancement would
improve.

I still remember the thought in my head;

What a society you are building here.

by ZeeBC
May 15 2010
1:06 PM
You have it right Almasy. Good workers are hard to replace. It is best
to promote the useless and indolent so production does not suffer.
This only occurs in government and large unionized companies.

It is easy to see the root cause of Europe's slide into mediocrity and
irrelevance.

Socialism.


Another response from a reader of the article appearing in the
Canadian National Post


There's no one like a leftie for sheer nastiness.


by wholstenson
May 15 2010
2:19 PM
We could be fast coming to an important and historic transition point
in the realm of failed economic theory. The dominant economic theory
of Europe and the rest of the world is Keynesianism. The writer does a
superb job of describing the economic shambles of Europe and omits
recognizing that the rest of the world is following closely behind,
IMO.

John Maynard Keynes as a Fabian Socialist can never be confused with
being a friend or ally of the capitalism/liberty-oriented Western
world. He understood that the most subtle way to undermine and destroy
Western Civilization was to "debauch the currency". Oddly enough this
same thinking is shown in the musings of V.I. Lenin.

What we observe today in Europe is the ultimate collapse of the
dominant economic theories of Keynes. It was designed to fail and move
the world closer to the noose of absolute control of all life on the
planet — just as envisioned by John Maynard Keynes and his socialist
allies



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freeisbest wrote

YOU rightards spent out the U.S. Treasury because YOU wanted
soviet free-market-hating godless evil commonists absolutely
destroyed... and the Soviet Union was absolutely destroyed. YOU
turned Russia into a desperate free-market sewer.
Now you're blubbering about it... and at the same time planning
to bring down Europe if you can.
Unbelievable.



Reagan Cold War Myth

Under the assumption that the Soviet Union could not then outspend the US
government in a renewed arms race, Reagan strove to make the Cold War
economically and rhetorically hot. Many analysts argue that the eventual
collapse of the Soviet Union was due more to the re-emergence of separatist
movements under glasnost, an inherent weakness in communist economic theory,
and the depressed global price of crude oil, on which the Soviet economy
during those years depended heavily. Furthermore, Reagan's much heralded
military buildup that increased American military spending by 8% per annum in
fact did not appear to have the planned effect of forcing the Soviets to
mirror American growth: according to CIA estimates, Soviet military spending
leveled off at a growth rate of 1.3% per annum in 1975 and remained at that
level for a decade, although it more than tripled to approximately 4.3% in
1985 through 1987 (though spending on offensive strategic weapons continued
to grow at 1.3% during that period), before returning to 1.3% in 1988.

Perhaps more startling, Reagan's military build up, coupled with his fierce
anti-soviet rhetoric, contributed to Soviet near-panic reaction to a routine
NATO exercises in November 1983, ABLE ARCHER 83. Though the threat of nuclear
war ended abruptly with the end of the exercise, this historically obscure
incident illustrates the possible negative repercussions of Reagan's
"standing tall" to a nuclear power. Some historians, among them Beth B.
Fischer in her book The Reagan Reversal, pin ABLE ARCHER 83 as an incident
which had a profound effect on President Reagan and his turn from a policy of
Confrontation towards the Soviet Union to a policy of rapprochement.
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On May 16, 3:51*pm, wrote:
freeisbest wrote

* * *YOU rightards spent out the U.S. Treasury because YOU wanted
soviet free-market-hating godless evil commonists absolutely
destroyed... and the Soviet Union was absolutely destroyed. *YOU
turned Russia into a desperate free-market sewer.
* * *Now you're blubbering about it... and at the same time planning
to bring down Europe if you can.
* * *Unbelievable.


Reagan Cold War Myth

Under the assumption that the Soviet Union could not then outspend the US
government in a renewed arms race, Reagan strove to make the Cold War
economically and rhetorically hot. Many analysts argue that the eventual
collapse of the Soviet Union was due more to the re-emergence of separatist
movements under glasnost, an inherent weakness in communist economic theory,
and the depressed global price of crude oil, on which the Soviet economy
during those years depended heavily. Furthermore, Reagan's much heralded
military buildup that increased American military spending by 8% per annum in
fact did not appear to have the planned effect of forcing the Soviets to
mirror American growth: according to CIA estimates, Soviet military spending
leveled off at a growth rate of 1.3% per annum in 1975 and remained at that
level for a decade, although it more than tripled to approximately 4.3% in
1985 through 1987 (though spending on offensive strategic weapons continued
to grow at 1.3% during that period), before returning to 1.3% in 1988.

Perhaps more startling, Reagan's military build up, coupled with his fierce
anti-soviet rhetoric, contributed to Soviet near-panic reaction to a routine
NATO exercises in November 1983, ABLE ARCHER 83. Though the threat of nuclear
war ended abruptly with the end of the exercise, this historically obscure
incident illustrates the possible negative repercussions of Reagan's
"standing tall" to a nuclear power. Some historians, among them Beth B.
Fischer in her book The Reagan Reversal, pin ABLE ARCHER 83 as an incident
which had a profound effect on President Reagan and his turn from a policy of
Confrontation towards the Soviet Union to a policy of rapprochement.


More Soviet propaganda to feed the gullibility of useful idiots in
Leftism still in shock over the collapse of their beloved Bolsheviks.

Martin Walker: The Cold War pg 114

"In the 1960s and 1970s anti Vietnam war critics claimed that the
CIA,
which estimated that 12 to 16 percent of the Gross Domestic Product
of
the Soviet Union was devoted to its military, exagerated the scale of
the Soviet buildup. After the Cold War it was learned that the CIA
had
grossly UNDERESTIMATED Soviet military spending which was as high as
25
percent of Soviet GDP during that time.."
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Old May 16th, 2010, 09:23 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,soc.retirement,rec.travel.europe
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On May 16, 3:51*pm, wrote:
freeisbest wrote

* * *YOU rightards spent out the U.S. Treasury because YOU wanted
soviet free-market-hating godless evil commonists absolutely
destroyed... and the Soviet Union was absolutely destroyed. *YOU
turned Russia into a desperate free-market sewer.
* * *Now you're blubbering about it... and at the same time planning
to bring down Europe if you can.
* * *Unbelievable.


Reagan Cold War Myth

Under the assumption that the Soviet Union could not then outspend the US
government in a renewed arms race, Reagan strove to make the Cold War
economically and rhetorically hot. Many analysts argue that the eventual
collapse of the Soviet Union was due more to the re-emergence of separatist
movements under glasnost, an inherent weakness in communist economic theory,
and the depressed global price of crude oil, on which the Soviet economy
during those years depended heavily. Furthermore, Reagan's much heralded
military buildup that increased American military spending by 8% per annum in
fact did not appear to have the planned effect of forcing the Soviets to
mirror American growth: according to CIA estimates, Soviet military spending
leveled off at a growth rate of 1.3% per annum in 1975 and remained at that
level for a decade, although it more than tripled to approximately 4.3% in
1985 through 1987 (though spending on offensive strategic weapons continued
to grow at 1.3% during that period), before returning to 1.3% in 1988.

Perhaps more startling, Reagan's military build up, coupled with his fierce
anti-soviet rhetoric, contributed to Soviet near-panic reaction to a routine
NATO exercises in November 1983, ABLE ARCHER 83. Though the threat of nuclear
war ended abruptly with the end of the exercise, this historically obscure
incident illustrates the possible negative repercussions of Reagan's
"standing tall" to a nuclear power. Some historians, among them Beth B.
Fischer in her book The Reagan Reversal, pin ABLE ARCHER 83 as an incident
which had a profound effect on President Reagan and his turn from a policy of
Confrontation towards the Soviet Union to a policy of rapprochement.


More Soviet propaganda to feed the gullibility of useful idiots in
Leftism still in shock over the collapse of their beloved
Bolsheviks.

Martin Walker: The Cold War pg 114

"In the 1960s and 1970s anti Vietnam war critics claimed that the
CIA,
which estimated that 12 to 16 percent of the Gross Domestic Product
of
the Soviet Union was devoted to its military, exagerated the scale of
the Soviet buildup. After the Cold War it was learned that the CIA
had
grossly UNDERESTIMATED Soviet military spending which was as high as
25
percent of Soviet GDP during that time.."
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On May 16, 4:23*pm, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:
On May 16, 3:51*pm, wrote:





freeisbest wrote


* * *YOU rightards spent out the U.S. Treasury because YOU wanted
soviet free-market-hating godless evil commonists absolutely
destroyed... and the Soviet Union was absolutely destroyed. *YOU
turned Russia into a desperate free-market sewer.
* * *Now you're blubbering about it... and at the same time planning
to bring down Europe if you can.
* * *Unbelievable.


Reagan Cold War Myth


Under the assumption that the Soviet Union could not then outspend the US
government in a renewed arms race, Reagan strove to make the Cold War
economically and rhetorically hot. Many analysts argue that the eventual
collapse of the Soviet Union was due more to the re-emergence of separatist
movements under glasnost, an inherent weakness in communist economic theory,
and the depressed global price of crude oil, on which the Soviet economy
during those years depended heavily. Furthermore, Reagan's much heralded
military buildup that increased American military spending by 8% per annum in
fact did not appear to have the planned effect of forcing the Soviets to
mirror American growth: according to CIA estimates, Soviet military spending
leveled off at a growth rate of 1.3% per annum in 1975 and remained at that
level for a decade, although it more than tripled to approximately 4.3% in
1985 through 1987 (though spending on offensive strategic weapons continued
to grow at 1.3% during that period), before returning to 1.3% in 1988.


Perhaps more startling, Reagan's military build up, coupled with his fierce
anti-soviet rhetoric, contributed to Soviet near-panic reaction to a routine
NATO exercises in November 1983, ABLE ARCHER 83. Though the threat of nuclear
war ended abruptly with the end of the exercise, this historically obscure
incident illustrates the possible negative repercussions of Reagan's
"standing tall" to a nuclear power. Some historians, among them Beth B.
Fischer in her book The Reagan Reversal, pin ABLE ARCHER 83 as an incident
which had a profound effect on President Reagan and his turn from a policy of
Confrontation towards the Soviet Union to a policy of rapprochement.


More Soviet propaganda to feed the gullibility of useful idiots in
Leftism still in shock over the collapse of *their beloved
Bolsheviks.

Martin Walker: The Cold War pg 114

"In the 1960s and 1970s anti Vietnam war critics claimed that the
CIA,
which estimated that 12 to 16 percent of the Gross Domestic Product
of
the Soviet Union was devoted to its military, exagerated the scale of
the Soviet buildup. After the Cold War it was learned that the CIA
had
grossly UNDERESTIMATED Soviet military spending which was as high as
25
percent of Soviet GDP during that time.."


More Soviet propaganda to feed the gullibility of useful idiots in
Leftism still in shock over the collapse of their beloved
Bolsheviks.

Martin Walker: The Cold War pg 114

"In the 1960s and 1970s anti Vietnam war critics claimed that the
CIA,

which estimated that 12 to 16 percent of the Gross Domestic Product
of

the Soviet Union was devoted to its military, exagerated the scale of
the Soviet buildup. After the Cold War it was learned that the CIA
had

grossly UNDERESTIMATED Soviet military spending which was as high as

25
percent of Soviet GDP during that time.."
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On May 16, 5:39*pm, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:
On May 16, 4:23*pm, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:





On May 16, 3:51*pm, wrote:


freeisbest wrote


* * *YOU rightards spent out the U.S. Treasury because YOU wanted
soviet free-market-hating godless evil commonists absolutely
destroyed... and the Soviet Union was absolutely destroyed. *YOU
turned Russia into a desperate free-market sewer.
* * *Now you're blubbering about it... and at the same time planning
to bring down Europe if you can.
* * *Unbelievable.


Reagan Cold War Myth


Under the assumption that the Soviet Union could not then outspend the US
government in a renewed arms race, Reagan strove to make the Cold War
economically and rhetorically hot. Many analysts argue that the eventual
collapse of the Soviet Union was due more to the re-emergence of separatist
movements under glasnost, an inherent weakness in communist economic theory,
and the depressed global price of crude oil, on which the Soviet economy
during those years depended heavily. Furthermore, Reagan's much heralded
military buildup that increased American military spending by 8% per annum in
fact did not appear to have the planned effect of forcing the Soviets to
mirror American growth: according to CIA estimates, Soviet military spending
leveled off at a growth rate of 1.3% per annum in 1975 and remained at that
level for a decade, although it more than tripled to approximately 4.3% in
1985 through 1987 (though spending on offensive strategic weapons continued
to grow at 1.3% during that period), before returning to 1.3% in 1988..


Perhaps more startling, Reagan's military build up, coupled with his fierce
anti-soviet rhetoric, contributed to Soviet near-panic reaction to a routine
NATO exercises in November 1983, ABLE ARCHER 83. Though the threat of nuclear
war ended abruptly with the end of the exercise, this historically obscure
incident illustrates the possible negative repercussions of Reagan's
"standing tall" to a nuclear power. Some historians, among them Beth B.

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On May 16, 6:13*pm, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
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On May 16, 5:39*pm, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:





On May 16, 4:23*pm, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:


On May 16, 3:51*pm, wrote:


freeisbest wrote


* * *YOU rightards spent out the U.S. Treasury because YOU wanted
soviet free-market-hating godless evil commonists absolutely
destroyed... and the Soviet Union was absolutely destroyed. *YOU
turned Russia into a desperate free-market sewer.
* * *Now you're blubbering about it... and at the same time planning
to bring down Europe if you can.
* * *Unbelievable.


Reagan Cold War Myth


Under the assumption that the Soviet Union could not then outspend the US
government in a renewed arms race, Reagan strove to make the Cold War
economically and rhetorically hot. Many analysts argue that the eventual
collapse of the Soviet Union was due more to the re-emergence of separatist
movements under glasnost, an inherent weakness in communist economic theory,
and the depressed global price of crude oil, on which the Soviet economy
during those years depended heavily. Furthermore, Reagan's much heralded
military buildup that increased American military spending by 8% per annum in
fact did not appear to have the planned effect of forcing the Soviets to
mirror American growth: according to CIA estimates, Soviet military spending
leveled off at a growth rate of 1.3% per annum in 1975 and remained at that
level for a decade, although it more than tripled to approximately 4.3% in
1985 through 1987 (though spending on offensive strategic weapons continued
to grow at 1.3% during that period), before returning to 1.3% in 1988.


Perhaps more startling, Reagan's military build up, coupled with his fierce
anti-soviet rhetoric, contributed to Soviet near-panic reaction to a routine
NATO exercises in November 1983, ABLE ARCHER 83. Though the threat of nuclear
war ended abruptly with the end of the exercise, this historically obscure
incident illustrates the possible negative repercussions of Reagan's
"standing tall" to a nuclear power. Some historians, among them Beth B.
Fischer in her book The Reagan Reversal, pin ABLE ARCHER 83 as an incident
which had a profound effect on President Reagan and his turn from a policy of
Confrontation towards the Soviet Union to a policy of rapprochement..


More Soviet propaganda to feed the gullibility of useful idiots in
Leftism still in shock over the collapse of *their beloved
Bolsheviks.


Martin Walker: The Cold War pg 114


"In the 1960s and 1970s anti Vietnam war critics claimed that the
CIA,
which estimated that 12 to 16 percent of the Gross Domestic Product
of
the Soviet Union was devoted to its military, exagerated the scale of
the Soviet buildup. After the Cold War it was learned that the CIA
had
grossly UNDERESTIMATED Soviet military spending which was as high as
25
percent of Soviet GDP during that time.."


More Soviet propaganda to feed the gullibility of useful idiots in
Leftism still in shock over the collapse of *their beloved
Bolsheviks.


Martin Walker: The Cold War pg 114


"In the 1960s and 1970s anti Vietnam war critics claimed that the
CIA,


which estimated that 12 to 16 percent of the Gross Domestic Product
of


the Soviet Union was devoted to its military, exagerated the scale of
the Soviet buildup. After the Cold War it was learned that the CIA
had


grossly UNDERESTIMATED Soviet military spending which was as high as


25
percent of Soviet GDP during that time.."


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by Gotlife
May 15 2010
11:25 AM

i could not agree more with the avoidance of work being the root of
Europe's problems and the work ethic of Americans being their saviour.
One only has to live in both areas, as I have, to see this


Another objective Canadian reader responds to the original article
pasted on this Usenet thread which appeared in a Canadian newspaper
recorded on the internet for all to read
by Gotlife

May 15 2010
11:25 AM

i could not agree more with the avoidance of work being the root of
Europe's problems and the work ethic of Americans being their
saviour.
One only has to live in both areas, as I have, to see this
 




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