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German language in south Tirol Back on topic - Lake Garda
On 01/04/2013 07:41 AM, Erick T. Barkhuis wrote:
Tom P: Is there a place or places in Germany where Hochdeutsch is the local dialect? Yes. Generally spoken in the area around and between Osnabrück and Hannover. Hochdeutsch technically refers to the distinction to Plattdeutsch (Low German) and other dialects, but generally it is what Standard German is called, and I think that is what Dan means. Standard German is the natural language everywhere and nowhere - even in Lower Saxony, there are local accents, and some people speak a variety of Plattdeutsch, which nobody else understands. Absolutely correct. In my region, in the west of Lower Saxony, a dialect consisting of Saxonian and Dutch phrases, spoken with a weird accent, is common. Among each other, locals all usually speak this dialect, which is hard for me to understand (although I'm practically fluent in German and Dutch is my native tongue). When I'm joining a group of neighbours, most of them politely switch to Hochdeutsch, so I can converse along with them. Some dialects are more or less mutually incomprehensible. Correct. In five weeks from now, the carnival speakers will demonstrate this on TV again. Even relatively close neighbours (geographically spoken) from Mainz and Cologne will have trouble to fully understand each others' dialect. I've just finished watching Monika Gruber, a popular female comedian, on Bavarian TV. When she performs on west German TV channels, she speaks standard German with a Bavarian accent, but performing on tonight's show in front of a live audience in Munich, she was speaking dialect and I could only understand about half of the jokes. |
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German language in south Tirol Back on topic - Lake Garda
On 2013-01-04 15:37:27 -0600, JohnT said:
"S Viemeister" wrote in message ... On 1/4/2013 4:54 AM, Surreyman wrote: This is all hardly surprising. Even accents within the UK can cause problems, even with no dialect words. I (from Surrey) once had to 'translate' my MD's Paisley (Scotland) accent in a Pennsylvania business meeting! And I've had to translate between Lowland Scots and Texans. Both sides believed themselves to be speaking English. The denizens of Birmingham also believe that English is their native language. There is a TV show in America call The Ultimate Fighter, there mixed martial artists fight in a bracket competition. A few years back there was US vs UK series of it, and it chagrined some of the Britons that they had to have subtitles. :-) -- Dan Stephenson http://stepheda.com Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too) |
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German language in south Tirol Back on topic - Lake Garda
Tom P:
I've just finished watching Monika Gruber, a popular female comedian, on Bavarian TV. When she performs on west German TV channels, she speaks standard German with a Bavarian accent, but performing on tonight's show in front of a live audience in Munich, she was speaking dialect and I could only understand about half of the jokes. _Bavarian_ jokes, Tom! Do you really feel you missed something, there? :-) |
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German language in south Tirol Back on topic - Lake Garda
On 01/05/2013 09:45 AM, Erick T. Barkhuis wrote:
Tom P: I've just finished watching Monika Gruber, a popular female comedian, on Bavarian TV. When she performs on west German TV channels, she speaks standard German with a Bavarian accent, but performing on tonight's show in front of a live audience in Munich, she was speaking dialect and I could only understand about half of the jokes. _Bavarian_ jokes, Tom! Do you really feel you missed something, there? :-) Well, the audience thought they were funny g |
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German language in south Tirol Back on topic - Lake Garda
On 01/05/2013 09:45 AM, Erick T. Barkhuis wrote:
Tom P: I've just finished watching Monika Gruber, a popular female comedian, on Bavarian TV. When she performs on west German TV channels, she speaks standard German with a Bavarian accent, but performing on tonight's show in front of a live audience in Munich, she was speaking dialect and I could only understand about half of the jokes. _Bavarian_ jokes, Tom! Do you really feel you missed something, there? :-) At one point she was making jokes about the Austrians I think.. |
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German language in south Tirol Back on topic - Lake Garda
S Viemeister wrote:
On 1/4/2013 4:54 AM, Surreyman wrote: This is all hardly surprising. Even accents within the UK can cause problems, even with no dialect words. I (from Surrey) once had to 'translate' my MD's Paisley (Scotland) accent in a Pennsylvania business meeting! And I've had to translate between Lowland Scots and Texans. Both sides believed themselves to be speaking English. I had severe difficulty understand a woman in an ice cream truck in Wales 8-) -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad |
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German language in south Tirol Back on topic - Lake Garda
Tom P wrote:
Hochdeutsch technically refers to the distinction to Plattdeutsch (Low German) and other dialects, but generally it is what Standard German is called, and I think that is what Dan means. Standard German is the natural language everywhere and nowhere - even in Lower Saxony, there are local accents, and some people speak a variety of Plattdeutsch, which nobody else understands. http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plattd%C3%BC%C3%BCtsch More or less by definition, all educated Germans can speak Standard German, but they may well speak with their regional accent, or they may also switch to a local dialect when they want to. Some dialects are more or less mutually incomprehensible. I live in the Rhineland, and the local accent and dialect sound totally normal for me, for someone from Bavaria or Stuttgart they might well sound very strange. Conversely, I have severe problems understanding any one from Bavaria or Stuttgart when he drops into his local dialect. Regional accents vary in severity 8-). I suspect Bavarian causes more problems in this respect 8-). However, exposure makes a difference. Having studied and worked in the Ruhr, it takes a heavy dose of Kohlpott to throw me completely, and I've spent enough time in Schwaben(great castles!) that the same is pretty much true. Elsewhere, too strong a local accent throws me off faster, but I've never had trouble BEING understood. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad |
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German language in south Tirol Back on topic - Lake Garda
On 1/5/2013 3:08 PM, Erilar wrote:
S Viemeister wrote: On 1/4/2013 4:54 AM, Surreyman wrote: This is all hardly surprising. Even accents within the UK can cause problems, even with no dialect words. I (from Surrey) once had to 'translate' my MD's Paisley (Scotland) accent in a Pennsylvania business meeting! And I've had to translate between Lowland Scots and Texans. Both sides believed themselves to be speaking English. I had severe difficulty understand a woman in an ice cream truck in Wales 8-) Was she speaking Welsh? |
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German language in south Tirol Back on topic - Lake Garda
S Viemeister wrote:
On 1/5/2013 3:08 PM, Erilar wrote: S Viemeister wrote: On 1/4/2013 4:54 AM, Surreyman wrote: This is all hardly surprising. Even accents within the UK can cause problems, even with no dialect words. I (from Surrey) once had to 'translate' my MD's Paisley (Scotland) accent in a Pennsylvania business meeting! And I've had to translate between Lowland Scots and Texans. Both sides believed themselves to be speaking English. I had severe difficulty understand a woman in an ice cream truck in Wales 8-) Was she speaking Welsh? No, it was supposedly English 8-) -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad |
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German language in south Tirol
Wolfgang Schwanke:
"Erick T. Barkhuis" wrote in : Tom P: Is there a place or places in Germany where Hochdeutsch is the local dialect? Yes. Generally spoken in the area around and between Osnabrück and Hannover. No not really, that's a legend. Have you been around that area, lately? (I just returned from a bakery store in Bad Essen. Staff and customers all speak Hochdeutsch, there. Without any local accent.) |
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