End of the Euro and "European Dream"? EC head: "We can't finance oursocial model...."

28.10.2011 1:02, Wolfgang Schwanke kirjoitti:
William wrote in

Are you trolling or are you serious?

I don't believe the chap is worth bullets or gun powder.

You wrote "the population opposes it, that's reason
enough against the Euro" - no, it ain't if I doubt the sources of the
population's opinion.

Democracy is not a negotiable extra.

Democracy is not in question. In question is if some opinion is based on
good facts or just make-believe.

You apparently think, any opinion, as long as it's the opinion of the
majority, is universally right and thus has to be quietly accepted like
it's carved in stone. I feel sorry for you. You mistake democracy with a
dictatorship of the masses.
In a democracy opinions, even the ones of the majority, may be doubted,
may be wrong, may be changed.

From my point of view, by your standards we'd still be burning witches,
because in the opinion of the majority, that's what needs to be done
with those evildoers. (And it's always good entertainment anyway.)

First of all: Inflation is normal.

It rose much faster in 2002 and the following years than it did in the
decades before. Martin gave you examples of prices that are now the
same in Euros as they used to be in Dutch guilders.

I'm always amazed that Euro critics seem to visit restaurants on a daily
basis, but never buy anything in a supermarket (or just those five
pieces that got expensive for whatever reason).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...n1951-2007.svg

Probably those figures are either rigged or compiled from an
unrealistic goods basket.

Of course, what else could it be That your personal goods basket,
made up of restaurant meals and probably other just as rarely requested
goods, might be unrealistic is, of course!, beyond doubt.

Ex KGB men litter the globe. If ask one of them which they think is the
most dangerous and ruthless intelligence agency in the world the
invariable answer is 'British Intelligence'.

Yes, I like James Bond, too.

29.10.2011 8:23, Wolfgang Schwanke kirjoitti:

You are aware that this is a conference on travelling?

On 1-1-12 Inbev including Stella
Artois is increasing beer prices by 8% using the price of barley as an
excuse. Vote with your feet.

Well, who cares. Customers of Inbev just get what they deserve ;

On 10/29/2011 12:30 PM, Johannes Kleese wrote:
On 1-1-12 Inbev including Stella
Artois is increasing beer prices by 8% using the price of barley as an
excuse. Vote with your feet.

Well, who cares. Customers of Inbev just get what they deserve ;

Stella Artois: the Budweiser of Belgium.

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James Silverton, Potomac

I'm *not*

"James Silverton" wrote in message
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On 10/29/2011 12:30 PM, Johannes Kleese wrote:
On 1-1-12 Inbev including Stella
Artois is increasing beer prices by 8% using the price of barley as an
excuse. Vote with your feet.

Well, who cares. Customers of Inbev just get what they deserve ;

Stella Artois: the Budweiser of Belgium.


No argument with that description. They are beverages (for want of a better
description) produced by the same Company.

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JohnT

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:30:16 +0200, Johannes Kleese
wrote:

On 1-1-12 Inbev including Stella
Artois is increasing beer prices by 8% using the price of barley as an
excuse. Vote with your feet.

Well, who cares. Customers of Inbev just get what they deserve ;

I can't argue with that. I'm not heartbroken because Heineken sales
are down either.

Is Bavaria still your favourite beer? (Ducks).
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JohnT

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:30:22 +0100, "JohnT"
wrote:


"Martin" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:30:16 +0200, Johannes Kleese
wrote:

On 1-1-12 Inbev including Stella
Artois is increasing beer prices by 8% using the price of barley as an
excuse. Vote with your feet.

Well, who cares. Customers of Inbev just get what they deserve ;

I can't argue with that. I'm not heartbroken because Heineken sales
are down either.

Is Bavaria still your favourite beer? (Ducks).

Bavaria a la maison d'orange?
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Vraiment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-arrested.html

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JohnT

On 2011-10-23 10:59:34 -0500, Johannes Kleese said:

That's what moves European integration forwards, sometimes in bigger
steps than necessary.

Johannes, thanks for the reply, but I do not understand what is the
causation between the European wars and the need to have a common
currency. What the trauma of those experiences have to do with the
merging -- except perhaps has an super-elaborate mechanism to bind down
the Germans, out of fear? I would have thought the Soviets would have
made more impetus than West Germany. Hmm.

Regarding the bonds issue - I gather you believe the French are
interested in bailing out the Greeks to ensure they get their money
back (via Germany) -- but I figure that would be true absent a common
currency? Ahh, but perhaps not -- the budget situation in Greece is
masked by a currency that cannot be devalued due to their government's
actions. Without monetary union, the native Greek bonds would be at
risk and more expensive, and the crisis would have arrived before now.

Still, even having a currency board to keep individual currencies
equivalent seems preferrable than the current situation -- then at
least a country can pull out of necessary. As it stands, I'm unsure if
there is even a mechanism for ejecting a country from the Eurozone.
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Dan Stephenson
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