US: Terror threats can be bogus

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Elmer Baines wrote:

If you were to ask the average American conservative if they would
like to travel abroad, they would respond "Why would I want to do
that? The rest of the world is full of poverty, crime, and violence."

Why ask just a conservative. Some of the people I know that have never
traveled abroad have responded that "I haven't seen lots of things in
the US yet. Why would I want to go abroad?" I have been abroad 3 times.

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Casey muttered....

We're still waiting to meet anyone who admits to voting for Bush,
but maybe they never leave the country.

Exactly! Only about 20% of Americans even possess a passport
and most of those people only travel to Mexico, Canada, or one
of the nearby islands. The people that travel to Europe tend to be
much more worldly than the typical Bu****e. Remember that he
only visited Mexico before he became president. I suspect you
will find that many businessmen voted for Bush though, and those
people travel sometimes.


As noted, Mr. Bush traveled abroad with modest frequency before becoming
President.

Let's see, since his election, I've been to Europe three times,
the last in November...hardly a stay at home. Likewise, among my circle of
acquaintances, most all of whom voted for him (at least once, and for some,
as many times as they could have....;-P), furrin travel's pretty common,
both for work and pleasure. I suspect that by any statistical measures,
Bush voters travel abroad more often than those who voted for Gore, given a
couple of reasons, on average, higher income and prior travel history, both
principal indicators (and the higher percentage of Bu****es possessing
credit cards not run up to the hilt and the far lower percentage of
Republicans under indictment, free on appeal bond, already imprisoned, or
confined to institutions for the severely behaviorly impaired and otherwise
discombobulated than is found among adherents to the Democrat Party.

I suspect that my band of merry adherents, along with much of middle class
America, will vote again for Mr. Bush, providing him this time with more
than the plurality (no "majority", just a plurality since Ralph Nader
drained awat a few) that Gore received in 2002, in all likelihood a modest
majority (in the US system and situation where 53% or more of the popular
vote is a "landslide").

But then, I'll admit to having voted gainst him when he ran for Governor,
being a personal friend and supporter to the incumbent Mizz Richards, she
of the hair, and loyalty and friendship outweigh philosophy.

What we have here are the protestations of a greasy band of swarmy elitists
who envision a world managed according to their gormless and unrealistic
perspectives, the sort of folks who failed to react (other than with wails
of anguish) to the situation in the Balkans until the dead were stacked
like cordwood far higher than the pits could hold. Myopic Utopianism is
both a vice and an indicator of a fragile grasp of reality.

While I was in less than total agreement with the decision to invade Iraq
(as a matter of timing more than principle), the campaign there which had
gone on, unresolved and highly dangerous to the crews and a/c on missions
flown many times every day to monitor the Iraqis since 1991), all this
adulation of "Democrats" seems a bit over-the-top, since with the exception
of Dean (who was a governor in a tiny state, quite conservative in many of
his social policies, and unknown to have ever voiced political opinion on
foreign affairs) and Clark (already a 'renegade' general, prevented by
Clinton from achieving the post he sought, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff), the major Democrat candidates had all leaped aboard the invasion
bandwagon, politically stimulated to do so by the national anger at the UN,
a body held in grave disrespect (over several decades) by a large majority
of 'Merkins. Of course, another great virtue of today's Democrat party,
the closest thing we have to "liberals" is its attraction to candidates of
the fringe, Al "the former tax felon" Sharpton and Dennis the Menace
Vuko(however you spell it)vich, a former boy mayor corrupted by his taste
of fame. With folks like that grabbing at the stained and soiled banner of
leadership, it is a party in grave disrepair, behind the times and behind
the power curve.

Of course, sittting in the wings, knitting away, there's our own Madame
Defarge (She who wants more troops in Iraq! You Europeans missed that
pronouncement...), the Merry Widow Clinton (he rarely appearing except for
paid appearances), biding her time for 2008, her hour to be upon the stage,
yet politicking along every waking moment, carnivorous and connivorous.


By the way, it's almost Noon and 65F outside, 48 to 70F yesterday, a
momentary light shower this morning (from which the sun has reemerged), the
first clouds and rain in several weeks, during which the temperature has
ranged from 28F on a couple of mornings up into the 60s and 70s most
afternoons. Golf, fishing, hunting, running have been easy, and I even saw
a wet-suited water skier on the lake the other day and some sail-boarders
on Corpus Christi bay when we drove dowen to the coast before Christmas.

.....and gas was a $1.32 a gallon at the Shell and BP...

Given conditions of that sort, staying close to home is easy. No, we may
have no more and maybe even fewer "freedoms" here, but the convenience and
ease with which those we have may be enjoyed certainly outweighs that in
Europe (and almost every where else except maybe Australia, a land of even
more limited cultural venues).

TMO

The death of Three Thousand US people in a despicable act of terrorism
is "a godsend" to anyone in your opinion Sir?

Just to some misguided Muslims and pimply faced 'leftists' pundits it
may be.

Spare us YOUR 'agenda' in making this offensive remark; Please. Do you
travel Europe BTW?

Tim K


"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Jenn writes:

there is also a political interest served by keeping Americans in
fear
and terror all the time -- and that is not Al Qaida's interest but
one
rather closer to home

The events of 9/11 were a godsend for the current President ...
without
them, he'd have absolutely no hope of reelection, nor would he have
been
able to carry out his agenda of oppression.

Two parties benefited enormously from 9/11: The President himself and
his administration, and Israel. It makes one wonder.

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On 1/1/04 7:09 pm, in article ,
"Olivers" wrote:


[...]

By the way, it's almost Noon and 65F outside, 48 to 70F yesterday, a
momentary light shower this morning (from which the sun has reemerged), the
first clouds and rain in several weeks, during which the temperature has
ranged from 28F on a couple of mornings up into the 60s and 70s most
afternoons. Golf, fishing, hunting, running have been easy, and I even saw
a wet-suited water skier on the lake the other day and some sail-boarders
on Corpus Christi bay when we drove dowen to the coast before Christmas.

....and gas was a $1.32 a gallon at the Shell and BP...

Given conditions of that sort, staying close to home is easy. No, we may
have no more and maybe even fewer "freedoms" here, but the convenience and
ease with which those we have may be enjoyed certainly outweighs that in
Europe (and almost every where else except maybe Australia, a land of even
more limited cultural venues).

TMO

Enjoy it while you can - soon the temperature and humidity will start
climbing and your life in the air-conditioned car will seem a little more
oppressive. Texans have many freedoms in principle, but very few in
practice, unless you count the freedom to spend your life in your car
driving from multiplex cinema to supermarket to shopping mall, keeping your
lips tightly closed lest you offend the redneck in the next truck with a
shotgun in the rack and an "I hate commies" bumper sticker.

J;

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 12:09:33 -0600, Olivers wrote:

Casey muttered....

We're still waiting to meet anyone who admits to voting for Bush,
but maybe they never leave the country.

Exactly! Only about 20% of Americans even possess a passport
and most of those people only travel to Mexico, Canada, or one
of the nearby islands. The people that travel to Europe tend to be
much more worldly than the typical Bu****e. Remember that he
only visited Mexico before he became president. I suspect you
will find that many businessmen voted for Bush though, and those
people travel sometimes.


As noted, Mr. Bush traveled abroad with modest frequency before becoming
President.

How old was he when his dad was embassador in Beijing? Would he have
lived there for a while?

Tim Kroesen writes:

The death of Three Thousand US people in a despicable act of terrorism
is "a godsend" to anyone in your opinion Sir?

To the U.S. President and Israel, yes. For the President, this
despicable act virtually guaranteed a second term of office, despite
extremely poor performance in that office in essentially every respect
during his first term--it distracted attention from the economic
depression that started during his tenure, for example, and from the
disastrous and oppressive policies he has instituted in many domains.

For Israel, this despicable act effectively painted all Arabs and
Muslims with the broad brush of terrorism, insuring that Israel will be
the favored child of the United States for at least twenty years or so
do come. Already Israel has profited from this to undertake new abuses,
such as its own version of the Berlin Wall, knowing that nobody will
dare to question its actions for decades to come. Prior to 9/11, and
especially under Bill Clinton, tolerance for unconditional support of
Israel was beginning to noticeably erode in the U.S., and Israel depends
on the U.S. for its own survival.

Just to some misguided Muslims and pimply faced 'leftists' pundits it
may be.

And the two parties above, as I have just explained.

Spare us YOUR 'agenda' in making this offensive remark; Please.

Who is "us"? I only see you writing for yourself.

Do you travel Europe BTW?

What do you mean by "travel Europe"?

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On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:51:11 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

For the President, this
despicable act virtually guaranteed a second term of office, despite
extremely poor performance in that office in essentially every respect
during his first term--it distracted attention from the economic
depression that started during his tenure,

Nice try, but the economic recession (not depression) actually began
during the last six months of the Clinton administration. Do you not
recall the Democrats criticizing Bush for even alluding to the
"R-word" after the election and prior to assuming the Presidency?

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer...nt/fpage_4.htm
reports the Bush speech pushing for tax cuts to jump start economic
growth about 2 weeks after taking office. If you wish hang
responsibility for the recession on a President, look no further than
Willie Jeff Billy Bob Clinton.

Gordon

Probably an accurate assessment. People who would like Bush are
probably very happy to live in their tiny little towns, without any
obvious desire to learn about the "outside."

Lil

Thomas Peel wrote in message ...

Indeed, travelling round Europe, we often run into conversations with
American tourists, and the topic is always about Iraq, JWB, airline
security, etc.

We're still waiting to meet anyone who admits to voting for Bush, but
maybe they never leave the country.
T.

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Earl Evleth schrieb:

On 28/12/03 18:13, in article ,
"Charles
Hawtrey" wrote:

Earl, with all due respect, enough already. Those who are
interested
in the story can follow it from the usual news sources.

Is there an item in the current news which relates to transAtlantic
discord which is more important?

Last night we happen to eat out for dinner at our local brasserie.

To my left, there was a table of people from New York, to my right
from Miami. Because we had our dachshund with us both tables open
up conversation with us.

Indeed, travelling round Europe, we often run into conversations with
American tourists, and the topic is always about Iraq, JWB, airline
security, etc.

We're still waiting to meet anyone who admits to voting for Bush, but
maybe they never leave the country.

Bush himself never traveled abroad [except to go partying in Mexico]
although he had the means to do so -- they don't get much more
provincial and ignorant of the world than he is

Didn't you see Gordon's post that refutes your statement ?

well duh -- not until I had posted

-- perhaps this PR release is true

Perhaps ?


but I remember stories earlier that stated that Bush while offered
European travel opportunities by his parents refused them -- perhaps
both are true

Perhaps you should question those sources.

-- he has taken a few vacations abroad as an adult but was
not much interested as a young man

How could you possible know his level of interest ?

his actions as a young man -- acknowledged by his own parents -- speak
to his interest -- he didn't go when offered because he had no interest
in going

or do you doubt his parents on this?

Didn't he also brag that he didn't and doesn't read much? Maybe
that's why he married the town's librarian--so she can give him Cliff
Notes version of stuff he has to read, like state documents? I'll bet
you they have a strange relationship....

Lil

S Viemeister wrote:

Casey wrote:

Exactly! Only about 20% of Americans even possess a passport
and most of those people only travel to Mexico, Canada, or one
of the nearby islands. The people that travel to Europe tend to be
much more worldly than the typical Bu****e. Remember that he
only visited Mexico before he became president.

Actually, I believe he visited the UK when he was young.

As I found out recently (here, I think)- he visited a number of other
places.

David

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