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On 1/11/2004 2:56 PM Nelson Lu spake thus:

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David Nebenzahl wrote:

Look, "Steve": you already admitted Berkeley is *not* going car-free anytime
soon, after I posted definitive evidence to the contrary. (I can find the
exact post if you like.) So why are you still making this claim about that place?

Because he's a troll. Ignore him, please.

You ignore him if you like.

Sure, he (assuming gender here) may be a troll, but not the usual type: sems
more earnest than the garden variety. "Steve" actually seems to believe his
wild claims.


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David Nebenzahl wrote:
Sure, he (assuming gender here) may be a troll, but not the usual type:
sems more earnest than the garden variety. "Steve" actually seems to
believe his wild claims.

I'm having a hard time figuring out which side of the issue he's actually
on.

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On 1/12/2004 3:01 PM Miguel Cruz spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:
Sure, he (assuming gender here) may be a troll, but not the usual type:
sems more earnest than the garden variety. "Steve" actually seems to
believe his wild claims.

I'm having a hard time figuring out which side of the issue he's actually
on.

I think he truly *wants* cities to be car-free, a sentiment many (at least
some) of us here (ba.transportation, anyhow) share. (Or I should say a fantasy
some of us entertain.)


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kens (David=A0Nebenzahl) wrote:

On 1/12/2004 3:01 PM Miguel Cruz spake
thus:

David Nebenzahl

wrote:

Sure, he (assuming gender here) may be
a troll, but not the usual type: sems more
earnest than the garden variety. "Steve"
actually seems to believe his wild claims.

I'm having a hard time figuring out which
side of the issue he's actually on.

I think he truly *wants* cities to be car-free,
a sentiment many (at least some) of us here
(ba.transportation, anyhow) share. (Or I
should say a fantasy some of us entertain.)

I'd vote for self-deluded wishful thinker, rather than a malicious
troll. Will any cities in the developed world be car-free within my
lifetime, or that of most folks currently on Usenet? Not a chance,
short of a complete collapse of the petroleum supply, and maybe not
then. Will they be car-free a century from now? Depends almost
entirely on technological and social developments which can't reasonably
be predicted, any more than the dominance of the automobile could have
been foreseen in 1890. Meanwhile I'll continue to push for appropriate
development of transit alternatives where they will prove beneficial.

Alan Follett
Hercules, CA

(Alan Follett) wrote in message ...
[snip]
Will they be car-free a century from now? Depends almost
entirely on technological and social developments which can't reasonably
be predicted, any more than the dominance of the automobile could have
been foreseen in 1890.
[snip]

Kinda depends upon ones definition of "car". I'm dubious that there
folks won't be moving around in some sort of personal vehicle. But
the form could get interesting. They are going to get more autonomous
in the future and the possibility of external controls isn't out
of the question. So would you be in a car or in a personally owned
street car? Maybe I only personally drive it when I go outside
dense regions that don't have automated vehicle control.

Will they still be powered by internal combustion? Many may
not, at least not continuously and potentially the energy will
be produced else where and transfered into the vehicles electric
system. One might even draw the majority of the power from the
road itself.

So how much does the current driver piloted, internal combustion,
personally owned vehicle have to change before it is no longer a
"car"?

"Steve Austin" wrote in message
...
Count on Cairo, Egypt, most American cities, European cities, and
South
American cities going car-free sometime in the near future. And count on
car-free cities being constructed in the Midwest, Southwest, the Pacific
Northwest, and Florida. Three car-free cities are already under
construction
in Europe, Egypt, and South Africa. Portland, Oregon has already gone
car-free as have cities in northern China.

(bullhorn "LAY DOWN THE CRACK PIPE AND STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD!!!"

Then the same thing must apply to the Mexican location.
"Hatunen" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:00:23 -0700, "Steve Austin"
wrote:

There's a car-free city going up in Arizona and a car-free resort/city
called Loreto Bay going up in Mexico. [...]

What's teh one in Arizona? And I do hope you don't mean
Arcosanti. It'll be a cold day in Hell when Arcosanti becomes
even a village.

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