Memo to Helen Thomas: THE JEWS IN ISRAEL ARE ALREADY HOME and morefallout from her anti semitic tirade

On Jun 13, 8:28*am, Saracene wrote:
On 13 June, 13:10, "ODONOVAN, Himself" wrote:

Memo to Helen Thomas: THE JEWS IN ISRAEL ARE ALREADY HOME

Shouting then doesn't make your unhistorical errors any *more
believable.



and more
fallout from her anti semitic tirade

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z164c10

More on the Helen Thomas anti semitic tirade he

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z164d10

On Jun 13, 8:51*am, John Rennie unwisely
wrote:


You wouldn't think from the above that peejay believes that
America should not have gone to war against Hitler. *He
has the cheek to *blame* Roosevelt for that


Like most Lefties Rennie is a pathological liar.

Being a non Jew, my position with the plight of the Jews has been
consistent. It is Rennie's
vacillating positions which are ambivalent.

Here is an earlier exchange between Rennie and me covering this very
subject:



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Peejay is an anti-Semite.
Reenie

Pot kettle black!


Your denial of the existence of indifference and complicity makes you
the genuine anti-Semite.


Elie Wiesel: "The Perils of Indifference"


delivered 12 April 1999, Washington, D.C.


Indifference elicits no response. Indifference is not a response.
Indifference is not a beginning; it is an end. And, therefore,
indifference is always the friend of the enemy, for it benefits the
aggressor -- never his victim, whose pain is magnified when he or she
feels forgotten.


Indifference, then, is not only a sin, it is a punishment.


And now we knew, we learned, we discovered that the Pentagon knew, the
State Department knew. And the illustrious occupant of the White House
then, who was a great leader -- and I say it with some anguish and
pain, because, today is exactly 54 years marking his death -- Franklin
Delano Roosevelt died on April the 12th, 1945. So he is very much
present to me and to us. No doubt, he was a great leader.


And, nevertheless, his image in Jewish history -- I must say it -- his
image in Jewish history is flawed.....


http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articl...-Auschwitz.htm


Henry Feingold, The Politics of Rescue, (New Jersey Rutgers
University Press, 1970),


"..With a lack of public acknowledgement from the Roosevelt
Administration, U.S. public opinion was not aroused. This, Feingold
believes, convinced "men like Goebbels that the Allies approved or
were

at least indifferent to the fate of the Jews.."


American Wartime Indifference to the Plight of the European Jews


Katherine E. Culbertson


"The United States faced a clear obligation, and various groups-the
press, the military, the people, the State Department, and
Roosevelt-all failed their responsibility to the Jews. Thus, the blood
of six millions Jews who perished in the most horrible, deliberate act
of violence ever engineered by humankind has come to stain the hands
of

not only the perpetrators, but the bystanders as well..


July 20, 2000


Jan Karski, RIP


"JAN KARSKI, the first person to alert the West about the Holocaust of
Europe's Jews taking place behind German lines, died last week....


Karski also met privately with Roosevelt and came away doubting that
he

had influenced the president..."

Of course, to "politically correct" Marxists worldwide FDR was a
sainted hero because we were in a a war on the side of the Bolsheviks
in Hitler's
struggle with Bolshevism

On Jun 13, 10:06*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:
On Jun 13, 8:28*am, Saracene wrote:



On 13 June, 13:10, "ODONOVAN, Himself" wrote:

Memo to Helen Thomas: THE JEWS IN ISRAEL ARE ALREADY HOME

Shouting then doesn't make your unhistorical errors any *more
believable.

and more
fallout from her anti semitic tirade

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z164c10

More on the Helen Thomas anti semitic tirade he

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z164d10

On Jun 13, 8:51*am, John Rennie unwisely
wrote:



You wouldn't think from the above that peejay believes that
America should not have gone to war against Hitler. *He
has the cheek to *blame* Roosevelt for that

Like most Lefties Rennie is a pathological liar.

Being a non Jew, my position with the plight of the Jews has been
consistent. It is Rennie's
vacillating positions which are ambivalent.

Here is an earlier exchange between Rennie and me covering this very
subject:

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Peejay is an anti-Semite.
Reenie

Pot kettle black!

Your denial of the existence of indifference and complicity makes you
the genuine anti-Semite.

Elie Wiesel: "The Perils of Indifference"

delivered 12 April 1999, Washington, D.C.

Indifference elicits no response. Indifference is not a response.
Indifference is not a beginning; it is an end. And, therefore,
indifference is always the friend of the enemy, for it benefits the
aggressor -- never his victim, whose pain is magnified when he or she
feels forgotten.

Indifference, then, is not only a sin, it is a punishment.

And now we knew, we learned, we discovered that the Pentagon knew, the
State Department knew. And the illustrious occupant of the White House
then, who was a great leader -- and I say it with some anguish and
pain, because, today is exactly 54 years marking his death -- Franklin
Delano Roosevelt died on April the 12th, 1945. So he is very much
present to me and to us. No doubt, he was a great leader.

And, nevertheless, his image in Jewish history -- I must say it -- his
image in Jewish history is flawed.....

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articl...-Auschwitz.htm

Henry Feingold, The Politics of Rescue, (New Jersey Rutgers
University Press, 1970),

"..With a lack of public acknowledgement from the Roosevelt
Administration, U.S. public opinion was not aroused. This, Feingold
believes, convinced "men like Goebbels that the Allies approved or
were

at least indifferent to the fate of the Jews.."

American Wartime Indifference to the Plight of the European Jews

Katherine E. Culbertson

"The United States faced a clear obligation, and various groups-the
press, the military, the people, the State Department, and
Roosevelt-all failed their responsibility to the Jews. Thus, the blood
of six millions Jews who perished in the most horrible, deliberate act
of violence ever engineered by humankind has come to stain the hands
of

not only the perpetrators, but the bystanders as well..

July 20, 2000

Jan Karski, RIP

"JAN KARSKI, the first person to alert the West about the Holocaust of
Europe's Jews taking place behind German lines, died last week....

Karski also met privately with Roosevelt and came away doubting that
he

had influenced the president..."

Of course, to "politically correct" Marxists worldwide FDR was a
sainted hero because we were in a a war on the side of the Bolsheviks
in Hitler's
struggle with Bolshevism

The Outrage At Helen Thomas

In Thomas's lifetime Israel has ethnically cleansed over a million
people.

By Alison Weir,
www.palestinechronicle.com,
11 June, 2010.

Whenever Israel commits yet another atrocity, its defenders are quick
to redirect public attention away from the grisly crime scene.

Currently, there are headlines about allegedly anti-Semitic comments
made by senior White House correspondent Helen Thomas. Pundits across
the land evince outrage at her off-the-cuff 25-second statement made
to a man who appears to be holding a camera right in her face.

Thomas issued a public apology for her words, but this was
insufficient to assuage the wounded feelings of powerful antagonists,
and she has now retired from a long and distinguished career.

Before we examine her comments and evaluate their possible validity,
let's look at other recent events having to do with Israel.

On May 31st Israeli commandos killed at least nine unarmed volunteers
attempting to take humanitarian supplies to Gaza.

According to eyewitness reports and forensic evidence, many of these
aid volunteers were shot at close range, including a 19-year-old
American citizen killed by four bullets to the head and one to the
chest fired from 18 inches away.

Israel immediately imprisoned eyewitnesses and hundreds of other aid
participants, confiscated their cameras, laptops, and other
possessions, and prevented them from speaking to the press for days.
Among the incarcerated were decorated U.S. veterans and an 80-year-old
former ambassador who had been deputy director of Reagan's Cabinet
Task Force on Terrorism.

When they finally emerged and were able to tell their stories, many
described horrific scenes of Israeli commandos shooting people in the
head, of those tending the injured being shot in the stomach, of
people bleeding to death while flotilla participants waved white flags
and pled for help.

They also described being beaten brutally by Israeli forces, again and
again - including those on ships that, in the U.S. media's judgment,
experienced "no violence." A 64-year-old piano tuner from California,
Paul Larudee, described hundreds of Israeli commandos boarding his
ship. When he refused to cooperate with them, soldiers then beat him
numerous times both on board the ship and after he was imprisoned on
land.

Eventually he was taken by ambulance to an Israeli hospital. He wasn't
treated, however, and Larudee believes he was taken there because
Israel didn't want media to see his black eye, pronated joints,
bruised jaw and body contusions.

Marine veteran Ken O'Keefe described similar beatings while in Israeli
custody. In his case, the public was able to see his bloodied,
battered face in video clips and still images - but only on the
Internet, since American mainstream media failed to report on his
press conference or to publish the many still photos of his injuries.

Other gruesome photos available to the American public only on the
Internet are of Emily Henochowicz, a 21-year-old American student
whose eye and eye socket were recently shattered by Israeli forces.
She has since had her eyeball removed, three metal plates inserted in
her face, and her jaw wired shut.

Henochowicz was not on the flotilla; she was taking part in a
nonviolent demonstration against the Israeli assault when an Israeli
soldier shot a high-velocity teargas canister into her face.

A Swedish citizen standing with Henochowicz said, "They clearly saw
us. They clearly saw that we were internationals and it really looked
as though they were trying to hit us. They fired many canisters at us
in rapid succession. One landed on either side of Emily, then the
third one hit her in the face."

Henochowicz is not the first to have been shot by such a canister.

Thirty-year-old Basem Ibrahim Abu Rahmeh died when an Israeli soldier
shot one at him at close range while Abu Rahmeh participated in a
demonstration against Israeli confiscation of Palestinian farmland. A
video of this is also available on You Tube; U.S. networks have also
chosen not to broadcast this.

Californian Tristan Anderson was shot in the head by a similar
canister while he was taking photographs following another
demonstration. Part of Anderson's brain was removed and he was in a
"minimally responsive state" for 6-7 months.

He is now in a wheelchair, has almost no movement in his left arm and
leg, is blind in one eye, and his mental functioning is significantly
reduced. Photos of the shooting are also available on the Internet.

Since at least 2006 Israeli forces have closed off Gaza to the outside
world, essentially imprisoning 1.5 million men, women, and children,
and denying them foodstuffs, medicines, and building materials, as
documented by such agencies as Amnesty International, Oxfam, and
Christian Aid, which said that Israel was using food and medicine as
weapons.

One of the multitudinous victims of this illegal siege is five-year-
old Taysir Al Burai, who suffers from an acute neurological disorder
and requires round-the-clock care. According to the UK Guardian, he
could be cured if Israel would allow him to leave Gaza, but to date
his parents' repeated requests have been denied.

Another victim is 7-month-old Mohammad Khader, whose swelling in the
brain required specialized treatment unavailable in Gazan hospitals
depleted by the Israeli siege. His distraught parents' applications
asking Israel to allow them to travel abroad were similarly denied.
Their tiny son died a few days ago.

Such stories go on and on.

Thomas' "Outrageous" Statement

Yet, the rage we see in the U.S. media is directed against none of
this. People shot in the head, eyes and brain parts destroyed, the
elderly beaten, small children and infants caused to suffer and die,
parents to grieve - none of this has caused a hint of anger. In fact,
most of it has been considered of too little importance even to
report.

Instead, media reports are filled with outrage at "anti-Israel" words
spoken by 89-year-old Helen Thomas.

In Thomas's lifetime Israel has ethnically cleansed over a million
people, replaced them with colonists from around the world, committed
dozens of massacres, tortured thousands of people, killed and maimed
untold numbers of children, mangled limbs, and committed outrages on
women, old people, the weak and the infirm.

It has assassinated people throughout the world, invaded numerous
countries, spied on the U.S., killed and injured 200 American
servicemen (the anniversary is this week), and tortured and imprisoned
Americans. All while receiving more American money than any other
country on earth.

For years, long before her recent words, Thomas has been the target of
Israel's vicious American volunteers, the Zionist blogosphere
abounding with nasty slurs on her looks and her Lebanese ancestry,
this latter also consistently emphasized by the media, despite her
Kentucky birth and upbringing.

One of the reasons for the ferocious animosity toward her is the fact
that Thomas is one of the very few mainstream reporters to challenge
the neocon engendered lies that led the U.S. into wars that have
caused massive death, destruction and tragedy and to continue to
expose ongoing policies of violence and cruelty.

As the same groups and individuals who pushed the US into attacking
Iraq have in recent years been escalating their efforts to push the
U.S. to now similarly decimate Iranians under the pretext that Iran
might be developing nuclear weapons, Thomas's questioning attempted to
elicit from Obama the fact that Israel already posses nuclear weapons.
While the rest of the press corps has conspired in the cover-up of
this fact and others, Thomas worked to expose them.

Not surprisingly, the many people complicit in these manipulations,
such as former Bush spokesperson Ari Fleischer, have led the charge
against her.

It is useful to examine the video and context of Thomas's allegedly
"anti-Semitic" comment.

A man, apparently holding a camera right in her face, asks for her
comments about Israel. She says, "Tell them to get the hell out of
Palestine. Remember, these people are occupied. And it's their land…"
He interrupts her and asks where they should go. She responds, "They
should go home. To Germany, Poland, America, and everywhere else."

While Thomas has since apologized for her hasty words and many
Israelis have the right to continue living where they are, the reality
is that Israeli settlers did, indeed, come from elsewhere; they are,
in fact, illegally occupying Palestinian land (a fact acknowledged
even by the U.S. State Department); and international law does require
that they leave.

Many commentators evince particular anger at Thomas's inclusion of
Germany and Poland as places to which Israeli colonists should return,
suggesting that Hitler is still in control and waiting to pounce.

The happy fact is, however, that World War II and the Nazi holocaust
ended well over half a century ago. In Poland today there is a vibrant
Jewish revival with a 10-foot tall Menorah being lit in the center of
Warsaw during Hanukah, and Germany has become, according to the New
York Times, "a country where Jews want to live." In fact, in recent
years more Jews have chosen to immigrate to Germany than to Israel.

Thomas's call for colonists to return to America (this destination was
left out of many articles) is far from outrageous given that a great
many West Bank settlers are from the U.S.

Overall, reporting on the incident has largely departed from the
standard journalistic practice of quoting people from both sides of an
issue. Quotes from Thomas supporters are missing, even though the You
Tube page featuring the infamous video contains a large number of
comments supporting her. In contrast, quotes from Thomas's detractors,
almost all of them Zionists, are ubiquitous, but generally fail to
divulge the speakers' frequent conflicts of interest.

For example, the Washington Post's Howard Kurtz quotes Jeffrey
Goldberg without mentioning that Goldberg is an Israeli citizen who
served as a prison guard at an Israeli prison that held hundreds of
Palestinians without charge, some killed in cold blood by the prison
commander.

Mainstream media organizations do not seem to have investigated
reports that the man who videotaped Thomas, Rabbi David Nesenoff, also
made an offensive video featuring himself and another man
impersonating a buffoonish Catholic priest and Mexican immigrant.

Similarly, news reports that a high school had disinvited Thomas as a
graduation speaker almost never inform readers that many of the
school's parents and students wished Thomas to remain, even though
this unreferenced group may represent a majority of the school.
Members of this group have created a Facebook page, "Helen Thomas
should have been our graduation speaker," that states:

"The purpose of this group is to quietly but firmly protest the
ability of a small minority to impose its will on the larger group
through engaging or threatening to engage in disruptive discourse.
This group affirms a belief in reasonable discussion and feel that in
this scenario, a clear minority was able to override a larger majority
by distorting the issues and discussion."

It is not known who will take over Thomas's front-row seat at White
House briefings. Given the record of the current press corps, it is
likely that Israel partisans are breathing a sign of relief.

(Alison Weir is executive director of If Americans Knew. Photos and
videos referenced in the article can be viewed on the website (http://
ifamericansknew.org) She contributed this article to
PalestineChronicle.com. Contact her at: )

From: http://www.palestinechronicle.com/vi...s.php?id=16050

************

Moral Failure Of American Liberals: A Defence Of Helen Thomas

Helen Thomas does not deserve to be pilloried and blacklisted.

By Jonathan Cook,
www.palestinechronicle.com,
10 June, 2010

The ostracism of Helen Thomas, the doyenne of the White House press
corps, over her comment that Jews should 'get the hell out of
Palestine' and 'go home' to Poland, Germany, America and elsewhere is
revealing in several ways. In spite of an apology, the 89-year-old has
been summarily retired by the Hearst newspaper group, dropped by her
agent, spurned by the White House, and denounced by long-time friends
and colleagues.

Ms Thomas earnt a reputation as a combative journalist, at least by
American standards, with a succession of administrations over their
Middle East policies, culminating in Bush officials boycotting her for
her relentless criticisms of the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.
But the reaction to her latest remarks suggest that, if there is one
topic in American public life on which the boundaries of what can and
cannot be said are still tightly policed, it is Israel.

Undoubtedly, Ms Thomas’ opinions, as she expressed them in an
unguarded moment, were inappropriate and required an apology. It is
true, as she says, that Palestine was occupied and the land taken from
the Palestinians by Jewish immigrants with no right to it barring a
Biblical title deed. But 62 years on from Israel’s creation, most
Jewish citizens have no home to go to in Poland and Germany -- or in
Iraq and Yemen, for that matter. There is also an uncomfortable echo
in her words of the chauvinism underpinning demands from some Jews --
and many Israelis -- that Palestinians should “go home to the 22 Arab
states”.

But Ms Thomas did apologise and, after that, a line ought to have been
drawn under the affair -- as it surely would have been had she made
any other kind of faux pas. Instead, she has been denounced as an anti-
Semite, even by her former friends.

The reasoning of one, Lanny Davis, counsel to the White House in the
Clinton administration, was typical. Mr Davis, who said he previously
considered himself “a close friend”, asked whether anyone would be
“protective of Helen's privileges and honors if she had been asking
Blacks to return to Africa, or Native Americans to Asia and South
America, from which they came 8,000 or more years ago?”

It is that widely accepted analogy, appropriating the black and Native
American experience in a wholly misguided way, that reveals in stark
fashion the moral failure of American liberals. In their blindness to
the current relations of power in the US, most critics of Ms Thomas
contribute to the very intolerance they claim to be challenging.

Ms Thomas is an Arab-American, of Lebanese descent, whose remarks were
publicised in the immediate wake of Israel’s lethal commando attack on
a flotilla of aid ships trying to break the siege of Gaza. Unlike most
Americans, who were half-wakened from their six-decade Middle East
slumber by the killing of at least nine Turkish activists, Ms Thomas
has been troubled by the Palestinians’ plight for much of her long
lifetime.

She was in her late twenties when Israel ethnically cleansed three-
quarters of a million Palestinians from most of Palestine, a move
endorsed by the fledgling United Nations. She was in her mid-forties
when Israel took over the rest of Palestine and parts of Egypt and
Syria in a war that dealt a crushing blow to Arab identity and pride
and made Israel a favoured ally of the US. In her later years she has
witnessed Israel’s repeated destruction of Lebanon, her parents’
homeland, and the slow confinement and erasure of the neighbouring
Palestinian people. Both have occurred under a duplicitious American
“peace process” while Washington has poured hundreds of billions of
dollars into Israel’s coffers.

It is therefore entirely understandable if, despite her own personal
success, she feels a simmering anger not only at what has taken place
throughout her lifetime in the Middle East but also at the silencing
of all debate about it in the US by the Washington elites she counted
as friends and colleagues.

While she has many long-standing Jewish friends in Washington --
making the anti-Semite charge implausible -- she has also seen them
and others promote injustice in the Middle East. Doubtless she, like
many of us, has been exasperated at the toothless performance of the
press corps she belongs to in holding the White House to account in
Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Lebanon and Israel-Palestine.

It is with this context in mind that we can draw a more fitting
analogy. We should ask instead: How harshly should Ms Thomas be judged
were she a black professional who, seeing yet another injustice like
the video of Rodney King being beaten to within an inch of his life by
white policemen, had said white Americans ought to “go home to
Europe”?

This analogy accords more closely with the reality of power relations
in the US between Arabs and Jews. Ms Thomas is not a representative of
the oppressor white man disrespecting the oppressed black man, as Mr
Davis suggests; she is the oppressed black man hitting back at the
oppressor. Her comments shocked not least because they denied an image
that continues to dominate in modern America of the vulnerable Jew, a
myth that persists even as Jews have become the most successful
minority in the country.

Ms Thomas let her guard down and her anger and resentment show. She
generalised unfairly. She sounded bitter. She needed to -- and has --
apologised. But she does not deserve to be pilloried and blacklisted.

(Jonathan Cook is a writer and journalist based in Nazareth, Israel.
His latest books are “Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq,
Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East” (Pluto Press) and
“Disappearing Palestine: Israel's Experiments in Human Despair” (Zed
Books). His website is www.jkcook.net)

From: http://www.palestinechronicle.com/vi...s.php?id=16048

On Jun 13, 9:47*am, Charles McPherson
wrote:
On Jun 13, 10:06*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:





On Jun 13, 8:28*am, Saracene wrote:

On 13 June, 13:10, "ODONOVAN, Himself" wrote:

Memo to Helen Thomas: THE JEWS IN ISRAEL ARE ALREADY HOME

Shouting then doesn't make your unhistorical errors any *more
believable.

and more
fallout from her anti semitic tirade

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z164c10

More on the Helen Thomas anti semitic tirade he

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z164d10

On Jun 13, 8:51*am, John Rennie unwisely
wrote:

You wouldn't think from the above that peejay believes that
America should not have gone to war against Hitler. *He
has the cheek to *blame* Roosevelt for that

Like most Lefties Rennie is a pathological liar.

Being a non Jew, my position with the plight of the Jews has been
consistent. It is Rennie's
vacillating positions which are ambivalent.

Here is an earlier exchange between Rennie and me covering this very
subject:

From: PJ O'Donovan - view profile
Date: Thurs, Dec 22 2005 7:55 pm
Email: "PJ O'Donovan"
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Peejay is an anti-Semite.
Reenie

Pot kettle black!

Your denial of the existence of indifference and complicity makes you
the genuine anti-Semite.

Elie Wiesel: "The Perils of Indifference"

delivered 12 April 1999, Washington, D.C.

Indifference elicits no response. Indifference is not a response.
Indifference is not a beginning; it is an end. And, therefore,
indifference is always the friend of the enemy, for it benefits the
aggressor -- never his victim, whose pain is magnified when he or she
feels forgotten.

Indifference, then, is not only a sin, it is a punishment.

And now we knew, we learned, we discovered that the Pentagon knew, the
State Department knew. And the illustrious occupant of the White House
then, who was a great leader -- and I say it with some anguish and
pain, because, today is exactly 54 years marking his death -- Franklin
Delano Roosevelt died on April the 12th, 1945. So he is very much
present to me and to us. No doubt, he was a great leader.

And, nevertheless, his image in Jewish history -- I must say it -- his
image in Jewish history is flawed.....

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articl...-Auschwitz.htm

Henry Feingold, The Politics of Rescue, (New Jersey Rutgers
University Press, 1970),

"..With a lack of public acknowledgement from the Roosevelt
Administration, U.S. public opinion was not aroused. This, Feingold
believes, convinced "men like Goebbels that the Allies approved or
were

at least indifferent to the fate of the Jews.."

American Wartime Indifference to the Plight of the European Jews

Katherine E. Culbertson

"The United States faced a clear obligation, and various groups-the
press, the military, the people, the State Department, and
Roosevelt-all failed their responsibility to the Jews. Thus, the blood
of six millions Jews who perished in the most horrible, deliberate act
of violence ever engineered by humankind has come to stain the hands
of

not only the perpetrators, but the bystanders as well..

July 20, 2000

Jan Karski, RIP

"JAN KARSKI, the first person to alert the West about the Holocaust of
Europe's Jews taking place behind German lines, died last week....

Karski also met privately with Roosevelt and came away doubting that
he

had influenced the president..."

Of course, to "politically correct" Marxists worldwide FDR was a
sainted hero because we were in a a war on the side of the Bolsheviks
in Hitler's
struggle with Bolshevism

The Outrage At Helen Thomas

In Thomas's lifetime Israel has ethnically cleansed over a million
people.

By Alison Weir,www.palestinechronicle.com,
11 June, 2010.

Whenever Israel commits yet another atrocity, its defenders are quick
to redirect public attention away from the grisly crime scene.

Currently, there are headlines about allegedly anti-Semitic comments
made by senior White House correspondent Helen Thomas. Pundits across
the land evince outrage at her off-the-cuff 25-second statement made
to a man who appears to be holding a camera right in her face.

Thomas issued a public apology for her words, but this was
insufficient to assuage the wounded feelings of powerful antagonists,
and she has now retired from a long and distinguished career.

Before we examine her comments and evaluate their possible validity,
let's look at other recent events having to do with Israel.

On May 31st Israeli commandos killed at least nine unarmed volunteers
attempting to take humanitarian supplies to Gaza.

According to eyewitness reports and forensic evidence, many of these
aid volunteers were shot at close range, including a 19-year-old
American citizen killed by four bullets to the head and one to the
chest fired from 18 inches away.

Israel immediately imprisoned eyewitnesses and hundreds of other aid
participants, confiscated their cameras, laptops, and other
possessions, and prevented them from speaking to the press for days.
Among the incarcerated were decorated U.S. veterans and an 80-year-old
former ambassador who had been deputy director of Reagan's Cabinet
Task Force on Terrorism.

When they finally emerged and were able to tell their stories, many
described horrific scenes of Israeli commandos shooting people in the
head, of those tending the injured being shot in the stomach, of
people bleeding to death while flotilla participants waved white flags
and pled for help.

They also described being beaten brutally by Israeli forces, again and
again - including those on ships that, in the U.S. media's judgment,
experienced "no violence." A 64-year-old piano tuner from California,
Paul Larudee, described hundreds of Israeli commandos boarding his
ship. When he refused to cooperate with them, soldiers then beat him
numerous times both on board the ship and after he was imprisoned on
land.

Eventually he was taken by ambulance to an Israeli hospital. He wasn't
treated, however, and Larudee believes he was taken there because
Israel didn't want media to see his black eye, pronated joints,
bruised jaw and body contusions.

Marine veteran Ken O'Keefe described similar beatings while in Israeli
custody. In his case, the public was able to see his bloodied,
battered face in video clips and still images - but only on the
Internet, since American mainstream media failed to report on his
press conference or to publish the many still photos of his injuries.

Other gruesome photos available to the American public only on the
Internet are of Emily Henochowicz, a 21-year-old American student
whose eye and eye socket were recently shattered by Israeli forces.
She has since had her eyeball removed, three metal plates inserted in
her face, and her jaw wired shut.

Henochowicz was not on the flotilla; she was taking part in a
nonviolent demonstration against the Israeli assault when an Israeli
soldier shot a high-velocity teargas canister into her face.

A Swedish citizen standing with Henochowicz said, "They clearly saw
us. They clearly saw that we were internationals and it really looked
as though they were trying to hit us. They fired many canisters at us
in rapid succession. One landed on either side of Emily, then the
third one hit her in the face."

Henochowicz is not the first to have been shot by such a canister.

Thirty-year-old Basem Ibrahim Abu Rahmeh died when an Israeli soldier
shot one at him at close range while Abu Rahmeh participated in a
demonstration against Israeli confiscation of Palestinian farmland. A
video of this is also available on You Tube; U.S. networks have also
chosen not to broadcast this.

Californian Tristan Anderson was shot in the head by a similar
canister while he was taking photographs following another
demonstration. Part of Anderson's brain was removed and he was in a
"minimally responsive state" for 6-7 months.

He is now in a wheelchair, has almost no movement in his left arm and
leg, is blind in one eye, and his mental functioning is significantly
reduced. Photos of the shooting are also available on the Internet.

Since at least 2006 Israeli forces have closed off Gaza to the outside
world, essentially imprisoning 1.5 million men, women, and children,
and denying them foodstuffs, medicines, and building materials, as
documented by such agencies as Amnesty International, Oxfam, and
Christian Aid, which said that Israel was using food and medicine as
weapons.

One of the multitudinous victims of this illegal siege is five-year-
old Taysir Al Burai, who suffers from an acute neurological disorder
and requires round-the-clock care. According to the UK Guardian, he
could be cured if Israel would allow him to leave Gaza, but to date
his parents' repeated requests have been denied.

Another victim is 7-month-old Mohammad Khader, whose swelling in the
brain required specialized treatment unavailable in Gazan hospitals
depleted by the Israeli siege. His distraught parents' applications
asking Israel to allow them to travel abroad were similarly denied.
Their tiny son died a few days ago.

Such stories go on and on.

Thomas' "Outrageous" Statement

Yet, the rage we see in the U.S. media is directed against none of
this. People shot in the head, eyes and brain parts destroyed, the
elderly beaten, small children and infants caused to suffer and die,
parents to grieve - none of this has caused a hint of anger. In fact,
most of it has been considered of too little importance even to
report.

Instead, media reports are filled with outrage at "anti-Israel" words
spoken by 89-year-old Helen ...

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Thank you Charles for not falling in the trap of "never criticize the
the government of Israel" or you will be branded for life for being
anti-Semitic. I think millions are becoming immune and totally
indifferent to that accusation.

Charles McPherson wrote:
On Jun 13, 10:06 am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:
On Jun 13, 8:28 am, Saracene wrote:



On 13 June, 13:10, "ODONOVAN, Himself" wrote:
Memo to Helen Thomas: THE JEWS IN ISRAEL ARE ALREADY HOME
Shouting then doesn't make your unhistorical errors any more
believable.
and more
fallout from her anti semitic tirade
http://preview.tinyurl.com/z164c10
More on the Helen Thomas anti semitic tirade he
http://preview.tinyurl.com/z164d10
On Jun 13, 8:51 am, John Rennie unwisely
wrote:



You wouldn't think from the above that peejay believes that
America should not have gone to war against Hitler. He
has the cheek to *blame* Roosevelt for that
Like most Lefties Rennie is a pathological liar.

Being a non Jew, my position with the plight of the Jews has been
consistent. It is Rennie's
vacillating positions which are ambivalent.

Here is an earlier exchange between Rennie and me covering this very
subject:

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Peejay is an anti-Semite.
Reenie

Pot kettle black!

Your denial of the existence of indifference and complicity makes you
the genuine anti-Semite.

Elie Wiesel: "The Perils of Indifference"

So peejay thinks he has proven that I vacillate re Jewish situation;
that I deny '..the existence of indifference and complicity' of
something or other but what we will never know. Poor old sod.

GLOBALIST wrote:

The Outrage At Helen Thomas

In Thomas's lifetime Israel has ethnically cleansed over a million
people.

By Alison Weir,www.palestinechronicle.com,
11 June, 2010.

Whenever Israel commits yet another atrocity, its defenders are quick
to redirect public attention away from the grisly crime scene.

Currently, there are headlines about allegedly anti-Semitic comments
made by senior White House correspondent Helen Thomas. Pundits across
the land evince outrage at her off-the-cuff 25-second statement made
to a man who appears to be holding a camera right in her face.
snipped for brevity

Thank you Charles for not falling in the trap of "never criticize the
the government of Israel" or you will be branded for life for being
anti-Semitic. I think millions are becoming immune and totally
indifferent to that accusation.

Let me add my thanks. Idiots like peejay think that because I
criticise Israel and even criticise us (the UK) for helping
to found this most contentious state I am inconsistent when
I attack anti-Semites like snakehawk. I happen to be pro-Jewish.
That pro-Jewishness possibly makes me that bit anti-Israel
although I do remember the days of the kibbutz when I
thought that there just might be an idealistic socialist
state being created. How can you be pro-Jewish and
criticise modern day Israel - because Israel is a burden
on the backs of all Jews. I happen to understand why
Israelis attacked Gaza - they had to. They were being
attacked by Hamas. Of course they overdid it and didn't
need to but then we overdid the bombing of Germany when
we didn't need to. It is what happens in war; you hit back
harder than you were hit. I understand why a wall has
been built. The suicide bombings have almost disappeared
but the wall cuts off Israel that much more from what
should be her neighbours. Israel is stuck with having to
make unpleasant decision after unpleasant decision because
it should not exist. It is a totally unnatural creation
and that's what makes it a curse on the Jewish race/culture.

In John Rennie
wrote:

It is a totally unnatural creation and that's what makes it a curse
on the Jewish race/culture.


All nations are "totally unnatural creation[s]."

Israel was simply carved out of the British Palestine Mandate, the
ex-Ottoman Empire, which the Brits got essentially as spoils of war in
1922.

Jordan and the rest of the states of the region are no more or less
authentic states than Israel.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN

Bert Hyman wrote:
In John Rennie
wrote:

It is a totally unnatural creation and that's what makes it a curse
on the Jewish race/culture.


All nations are "totally unnatural creation[s]."

Israel was simply carved out of the British Palestine Mandate, the
ex-Ottoman Empire, which the Brits got essentially as spoils of war in
1922.

Jordan and the rest of the states of the region are no more or less
authentic states than Israel.


Roughly true but with the exception that Israel is
to all intents and purposes a European state. Frankly
I think the whole region was better off under the
Ottomans. What a pity they chose the wrong side
to support in WW1.

On Jun 13, 10:35*am, John Rennie wrote:
GLOBALIST wrote:
The Outrage At Helen Thomas

In Thomas's lifetime Israel has ethnically cleansed over a million
people.

By Alison Weir,www.palestinechronicle.com,
11 June, 2010.

Whenever Israel commits yet another atrocity, its defenders are quick
to redirect public attention away from the grisly crime scene.

Currently, there are headlines about allegedly anti-Semitic comments
made by senior White House correspondent Helen Thomas. Pundits across
the land evince outrage at her off-the-cuff 25-second statement made
to a man who appears to be holding a camera right in her face.

* snipped for brevity



Thank you Charles for not falling in the trap of "never criticize the
the government of Israel" or you will be branded for life for being
anti-Semitic. *I think millions are becoming immune and totally
indifferent to that accusation.

Let me add my thanks. Idiots like peejay think that because I
criticise Israel and even criticise us (the UK) for helping
to found this most contentious state I am inconsistent when
I attack anti-Semites like snakehawk. *I happen to be pro-Jewish.
That pro-Jewishness possibly makes me that bit anti-Israel
although I do remember the days of the kibbutz when I
thought that there just might be an idealistic socialist
state being created. *How can you be pro-Jewish and
criticise modern day Israel - because Israel is a burden
on the backs of all Jews. *I happen to understand why
Israelis attacked Gaza - they had to. *They were being
attacked by Hamas. *Of course they overdid it and didn't
need to but then we overdid the bombing of Germany when
we didn't need to. *It is what happens in war; you hit back
harder than you were hit. * I understand why a wall has
been built. *The suicide bombings have almost disappeared
but the wall cuts off Israel that much more from what
should be her neighbours. *Israel is stuck with having to
make unpleasant decision after unpleasant decision because
it should not exist. It is a totally unnatural creation
and that's what makes it a curse on the Jewish race/culture.- Hide quoted text -

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I rather see it...this way....When the ship loaded with German Jews
was floating around, no countries would take them in, including
England, including the United States. It was decided that our of
sheer pity and compassion to "allow" them to settle in the area of
Palestine. The European Jews could have started out by being
thoughtful of the natives of that area. They could have started out
with humble beginnings to settle in and adjust to the culture, that
was already in place for centuries. And I might add where plenty of
native Jews were already living in harmony with their neighbors.
But instead they kicked the natives out of their homes and threw
their furniture into the street. The European Jews, who were
generations old in Germany, Poland etc then morphed into the Nazis
that punished and persecuted them. President Truman was furious. He
simply agreed to this arrangement for them to settle there as a
gesture of good will. He wrote in his diary that this whole incident
blew up in the faces of Britain and the US, but even more so for the
Orthodox Christians and the Arabs who lived their for centuries.
Once you tell the historical facts you are branded as a hate
monger. I stil insist and will always say...the intelligent Jews live
in Florida, New York and New Jersey. They do not tie their Jewish
religion up in the mess of the politics of Israel.

GLOBALIST wrote:
On Jun 13, 10:35 am, John Rennie wrote:
GLOBALIST wrote:
The Outrage At Helen Thomas
In Thomas's lifetime Israel has ethnically cleansed over a million
people.
By Alison Weir,www.palestinechronicle.com,
11 June, 2010.
Whenever Israel commits yet another atrocity, its defenders are quick
to redirect public attention away from the grisly crime scene.
Currently, there are headlines about allegedly anti-Semitic comments
made by senior White House correspondent Helen Thomas. Pundits across
the land evince outrage at her off-the-cuff 25-second statement made
to a man who appears to be holding a camera right in her face.
snipped for brevity



Thank you Charles for not falling in the trap of "never criticize the
the government of Israel" or you will be branded for life for being
anti-Semitic. I think millions are becoming immune and totally
indifferent to that accusation.
Let me add my thanks. Idiots like peejay think that because I
criticise Israel and even criticise us (the UK) for helping
to found this most contentious state I am inconsistent when
I attack anti-Semites like snakehawk. I happen to be pro-Jewish.
That pro-Jewishness possibly makes me that bit anti-Israel
although I do remember the days of the kibbutz when I
thought that there just might be an idealistic socialist
state being created. How can you be pro-Jewish and
criticise modern day Israel - because Israel is a burden
on the backs of all Jews. I happen to understand why
Israelis attacked Gaza - they had to. They were being
attacked by Hamas. Of course they overdid it and didn't
need to but then we overdid the bombing of Germany when
we didn't need to. It is what happens in war; you hit back
harder than you were hit. I understand why a wall has
been built. The suicide bombings have almost disappeared
but the wall cuts off Israel that much more from what
should be her neighbours. Israel is stuck with having to
make unpleasant decision after unpleasant decision because
it should not exist. It is a totally unnatural creation
and that's what makes it a curse on the Jewish race/culture.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I rather see it...this way....When the ship loaded with German Jews
was floating around, no countries would take them in, including
England, including the United States.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10005267

"Following the U.S. government's refusal to permit the passengers to
disembark, the St. Louis sailed back to Europe on June 6, 1939. The
passengers did not return to Germany, however. Jewish organizations
(particularly the Jewish Joint Distribution Committee) negotiated with
four European governments to secure entry visas for the passengers:
Great Britain took 288 passengers; the Netherlands admitted 181
passengers, Belgium took in 214 passengers; and 224 passengers found at
least temporary refuge in France. Of the 288 passengers admitted by
Great Britain, all survived World War II save one, who was killed during
an air raid in 1940. Of the 620 passengers who returned to continent, 87
(14%) managed to emigrate before the German invasion of Western Europe
in May 1940. 532 St. Louis passengers were trapped when Germany
conquered Western Europe. Just over half, 278 survived the Holocaust.
254 died: 84 who had been in Belgium; 84 who had found refuge in
Holland, and 86 who had been admitted to France."


It was decided that our of
sheer pity and compassion to "allow" them to settle in the area of
Palestine. The European Jews could have started out by being
thoughtful of the natives of that area. They could have started out
with humble beginnings to settle in and adjust to the culture, that
was already in place for centuries. And I might add where plenty of
native Jews were already living in harmony with their neighbors.
But instead they kicked the natives out of their homes and threw
their furniture into the street. The European Jews, who were
generations old in Germany, Poland etc then morphed into the Nazis
that punished and persecuted them. President Truman was furious. He
simply agreed to this arrangement for them to settle there as a
gesture of good will. He wrote in his diary that this whole incident
blew up in the faces of Britain and the US, but even more so for the
Orthodox Christians and the Arabs who lived their for centuries.
Once you tell the historical facts you are branded as a hate
monger. I stil insist and will always say...the intelligent Jews live
in Florida, New York and New Jersey. They do not tie their Jewish
religion up in the mess of the politics of Israel.


Don't forget Golders Green.

In news wrote:

Bert Hyman wrote:
In John Rennie
wrote:

It is a totally unnatural creation and that's what makes it a curse
on the Jewish race/culture.


All nations are "totally unnatural creation[s]."

Israel was simply carved out of the British Palestine Mandate, the
ex-Ottoman Empire, which the Brits got essentially as spoils of war
in 1922.

Jordan and the rest of the states of the region are no more or less
authentic states than Israel.


Roughly true but with the exception that Israel is
to all intents and purposes a European state.

So?

Frankly I think the whole region was better off under the
Ottomans. What a pity they chose the wrong side
to support in WW1.

And again in WW-II.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN