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Mum accused of trafficking daughter in airline blunder
Mark Hewitt wrote:
"Lansbury" wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:03:15 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: I'm not sure I can agree. At least here in the U.S., one assumes that an airline employee entrusted with booking overseas flights knows the basic regulations for same. Then you would assume wrong. Reservation staff assume that the person making the booking has checked that they have all, or will be obtaining all, the required documentation to travel to the destination they are booking to. Another wrong assumption. The only time a reservation agent/travel agent normally checks is if there has been a very recent change in the regulations, in case the intending passenger has overlooked to double check. In which case if they are asked for advice they should refuse to give it, rather than giving incorrect advice. Let's forget, for a moment, what the airline should do. What should you do, especially considering the immigration officials in the other country are the ones that decide whether to let you in or not? Should you rely on the airline the second time? |
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Mum accused of trafficking daughter in airline blunder
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:05:20 on Wed, 1 Mar 2006, mrtravel remarked: So perhaps the lady asked the airline, and they erroneously said "a birth certificate is OK for a newborn infant". She claimed that originally the airline said no documentation required. Given the trouble during the first trip, do you think she should have verified the info from another source? With hindsight it's always easy to say that "more should have been done". For example, I know that a European (EU) country I visit fairly often has a stipulation that you must have both travel insurance (for health costs) and $50/day of their local currency, in *cash*. I doubt if more than 1% of the people arriving in that country realise these restrictions exist (and the airlines certainly never mention it), and would get quite cross if turned away. On the other hand, no-one has ever asked me to demonstrate that I was complying with either of these requirements. In this instance, given that the airline was happy to continue giving advice I think it was reasonable for her to rely upon it. If you were turned away because of failing to comply with some law, wouldn't you be very careful in what you do on your next trip? |
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Mum accused of trafficking daughter in airline blunder
The Reid wrote:
Following up to B Vaughan Are you saying Aussies can't understand the King's English, so to speak? The Queen died? Nobody told me! Maybe he meant King James. No goliath down, you looketh tired. The word for passport in Italian is "passoporto", which is sufficiently similar to "passport" that there should no doubt as to the meaning. the police were probably saying "no passoporto" and she assumed she was being held by "armed police" to impress on her that she didnt need one and that the trip back to UK was to, er............ Surely they have people at Italian immigration that speak enough English to tell you you need a passport. After all, doesn't everyone speak English? |
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Mum accused of trafficking daughter in airline blunder
Following up to Mark Hewitt
I would ask a branch of the British government or the Italian embassy, not a moonlighting student working for Ryan. Should one enquire if the person you are talking to on the phone is a student or not when you call to ask for advice? not a bad idea to try and get an idea how experienced and senior a person you are speaking to is. The cleaner may have picked up the phone. -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
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Mum accused of trafficking daughter in airline blunder
Following up to Roland Perry
the majority of border crossings I've made recently didnt require anything, not even stopping the car. In practice, I agree. However, the border police are *entitled* to stop the car, search it and check your papers. You were simply lucky not to be stopped (as are most people). indeed, on most crossings there are of course no border police in evidence. -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
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Mum accused of trafficking daughter in airline blunder
Following up to B Vaughan
What was the baby's Italian father doing while all this was going on? Surely he should have been able to give his wife some advice, or didn't they have telephones either? the more you think, the less plausible it all seems, are we supposed to believe she didnt speak to her husband and that he couldn't ask in Italian what was required before the second trip. -- Mike Reid Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
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The Reid wrote:
not a bad idea to try and get an idea how experienced and senior a person you are speaking to is. The cleaner may have picked up the phone. Not at Ryanair........ |
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Mum accused of trafficking daughter in airline blunder
In message , at
10:02:57 on Wed, 1 Mar 2006, mrtravel remarked: If you were turned away because of failing to comply with some law, wouldn't you be very careful in what you do on your next trip? If I was a regular business traveller I might. In which case I might also realise that Ryanair wasn't a "full service" carrier. Most people who fly once a year aren't that sophisticated. -- Roland Perry |
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Mum accused of trafficking daughter in airline blunder
In message , at 10:11:42 on
Wed, 1 Mar 2006, The Reid remarked: the majority of border crossings I've made recently didnt require anything, not even stopping the car. In practice, I agree. However, the border police are *entitled* to stop the car, search it and check your papers. You were simply lucky not to be stopped (as are most people). indeed, on most crossings there are of course no border police in evidence. Although the last such crossing I made (on the motorway between Geneva and Lyon) the border police were *very* much in evidence. Maybe that's because Switzerland isn't in the EU? -- Roland Perry |
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Mum accused of trafficking daughter in airline blunder
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:39:21 -0000, "Mark Hewitt"
wrote: In which case if they are asked for advice they should refuse to give it, rather than giving incorrect advice. No they shouldn't refuse, what they should do is consult the online version of TIM which most airlines have interrogated into their reservation system. http://www.iata.org/PS/PUBLICATIONS/TIM.htm -- Lansbury www.uk-air.net FAQs for the alt.travel.uk.air newsgroup |
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