Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport

On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:49:13 -0000, "brique"
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Al Klein wrote in message
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On 14 Dec 2006 05:34:29 -0800, "Anarcissie"
wrote:

Of course, Christmas
trees, Santa Claus, and so on are not actually
Christian but pagan symbols.

Then Christians should have no problem with pagans insisting that they
not be displayed on public property. If they're pagan, and not
Christian, symbols, it should be pagans that decide where they're
displayed, not Christians.

Well, I'm sure pagans would much prefer the trees stayed in the forests and
people went there to see them......

I know a couple who would definitely agree with you.
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:17:34 +0000 (UTC),
(Arturo Magidin) wrote:

In article ,
Al Klein wrote:
On 15 Dec 2006 16:18:39 -0800, wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On 14 Dec 2006 04:47:51 -0800, wrote:

Lets be clear about this, The Rabbi wanted to display the national
emblem of the "STATE" OF ISRAEL at Seattle intenational airport:

No, he wanted to display a Chanukiyah, not a candelabrum.

He wanted to display a Menorah (which is most definately a candelabrum,
as defined in any english dictionary).

Since when did Christianity become the definer of Judaism?

Are you saying a Chanukiah is not a menorah?
Are you saying the the Israeli state emblem is not a Menorah?
Are you saying that Menorahs are not candelabra?

The state emblem of Israel is the candelabra. The symbol of Chanukah
is the Chanukiyah. A Chanukiyah is not a candelabra.

No, actually. "Menorah" means 7 branch candelabrum; "chanukiyah" or
"Hanuka-Menorah" means 9 branch candelabrum.

Oops - I got it backwards. Senility's getting the upper hand.
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On 16 Dec 2006 08:35:38 -0800, wrote:

It DOES refer to a distinctive type of candelabra generically called a
Menorah, uniquely used by Israel as it's state symbol, and no amount of
shystering about small details will change that.

Nor will it change the "small detail" of your being referred to as
Homo sapiens instead of Homo ignorantium.
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"James A. Donald" wrote in message
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"PTravel"
Even granting that the Christmas tree is secular
(and I don't believe that it is), it is definitely
not all-sectarian.

"James A. Donald"
It evidently includes Hindus, ancestor worshippers,
and animists, they being part of "peace on earth and
goodwill to all men"

"PTravel"
I'm talking about Christmas trees, not sentiments of
the holidays.

You will find Christmas trees in the houses of Hindus,
ancestor worshippers, and animists. Why then do some
Jews and many Muslims make a big deal of *not* having a
Christmas tree, as if it was made of ham?

Because it is not part of the culture, traditions or heritage of Jews or
Muslims (or Buddhists or Shintoists). Why don't you have a menorah in your
home? Could it be because . . . it is not part of your culture, traditions
or heritage? It's not made of kryptonite.


It is not that they want to make the point that they are
not Christian. They want to make the point that they
are not American, even though Americans want them to be
American.

And that is simply offensive. If you truly believe that is why Jews and
Muslims don't celebrate Christmas, then our realities are so disparate that
I don't see how we even communicate.



Because Christmas trees, which are part of the
Christians tradition,

Bunkum.

Selective cutting on your part. You left off, "culture and heritage." You
think they're not? Why are they called, "CHRISTmas trees"?


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James A. Donald:
But if the trees are symbols of a religion, the way
the menorah is


As you uave been told, the government has declared
them both secular.

No it has not, and if it had, that would not make it
true.

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On 16 Dec 2006 09:38:32 -0800, wrote:

Either way, it makes no ****ing difference. A menorah is still
identifiable as one, no matter howmany candles it's got

By the hopelessly ignorant.

Nobody apart from jews gices a **** how many candles it's got

And nobody apart from the ignorant gives a **** what you think.

now amount of shystering

Now there's a nice statement of where you're coming from.

??? The national state symbol of Israel is a jewish menorah candelabra
and what the Rabbi wanted to erect was a jewish menorah candelabra.

Well, no, but don't let the truth intrude on your anti-Semitic rant.

The bald eagle is the US emblem no matter how many feathers it's got.

Nor, evidently, is it a symbol of intelligence on the part of all of
its citizens.
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:45:09 -0800, markzoom wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 04:10:35 -0800, markzoom wrote:


Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:42:08 -0800, markzoom wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 04:44:06 +0000, flaviaR wrote:

On 14-Dec-2006, "Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:36:56 -0800, markzoom wrote:


In a way that would be victory for the zionist Rabbi too.... and a blow
to freedom.

Not having tax funded blinky lights on plastic trees is a "blow to
freedom?"

Maybe to kooks...

Certainly to those who expose themselves and their
politics so thoroughly as markzoom. Or did you miss
what he called the rabbi....? I left it in, above....

Oh I've seen the rants about the US being run by Da Jooos!!! That's why I
used the word "kook." G

Actually it's the *zionist* faction of the tiny 2% jewish minority who
have hugely disproportionate control over the USAy. One would have to
be not just a kook but a completely ignorant moron not to have twigged
it by now.

Yeah, it's all the *rest of us that are crazy, not you conspiracy nuts.

Well you are not so much "crazy" as utterly and completely dumbass
ignorant about your US power structure and the sheer scale of the
influence of the tiny 1.5% zionist minority on it.
Just one little test: What's PNAC?

Project for the New American Century. Why?

Because it's just one organisations run by the zioNAZis that pitted
your country against muslims for Israel, oil and $$$. Here is their
Naziesque site (scroll down for sigs):
http://www.newamericancentury.org/st...principles.htm

I've known about them for years. I still think your Protocols
interpretation is loony.

??? What "protocols"?


I'm aware there's a strain in the neocon movement commonly referred to as
"the Likudniks." But I hate to tell you this, if there wasn't anything in
it for *us (as in US), they wouldn't get any traction.

That's where you are very wrong. The fact that you don't know "what's
in it for the US" might give you a clue.
Truth is that any politician that doesn't kiss zioNAZI butt doesn't
last long in the US, if he gets anywhere at all. Remember that zionists
are only an extremist faction of an already tiny 1.8% minority.


The neocons want(ed) US hegemony over the entire planet. This was going to
be "Pax Americana" (aka "New American Century").

Check the names of the PNAC signatories and who the crackpots are that
dreamt up these policies, all are zionists, half are jewish ones, like
in a lot of the "think-tanks" were US policy is brewed. Some even have
Israeli passports. PNAC isn't the only government "think-tank" group
they are members of.

Israel is just a convenient US beachhead in the Middle East.

?? How, when? Are there US troops in israel?



It's not like the neocons actually give a **** about Israel. They'd stab
them in the back tomorrow if it furthered the neocon goal of a global US
empire.

Go check how many are zionist jews with split loyalties.



No, it's comforting to blame a small group isn't it?

They are the biggest hate and warmongers presently. conversly you don't
hear a peep out of muslim americans, of whom there are as many as there
are jewish americans.

Somehow, by some
means, some small faction is manipulating the 900 pound, nuclear armed
gorilla.

It's quite clear how they do it, while their media keeps you
uninformed/misinformed.

It's not so comforting to consider the possibility that upwards
of half of the US electorate *likes the idea of ruling the world.

They are not the problem. The world can pull the plug on the US without
firing a shot by simply dumping dollars. The question is wether we will
wait until americans realise they are being had by Israel or wether we
flush the dollar now.


After all, it's good to be the king...

America is too uncultured to be any "king".


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"Tchiowa"
It isn't that anyone who isn't Christian is a bigot,
it's that anyone who tries to block celebration of a
national holiday because their are offended by the
holiday is a bigot.

Militant Jews and radical Muslims should celebrate
Christmas the way that 90% of americans celebrate it and
the way 99% of American atheists, hindus, shintoists,
and animists celebrate it - as a day for the family to
be together, a day to be merry, and a day to be mindful
of peace on earth and goodwill to all men - instead of
threatening lawsuits and manufacturing confrontation and
hostility and reacting to Christmas cheer as if they
were being offered a ham sandwich.

Ham may be forbidden to observant Jews, but there is
nothing forbidding Christmas.

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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:51:01 -0800, Frank Mayhar
wrote:

Well, as far as I'm concerned those people can go **** themselves.
Sideways*. It's no more a religious holiday than Saturnalia was, or any
other pagan midwinter festival. Or, for that matter, Easter, the pagan
spring fertility festival.

You claim is, then, that anything non-Christian, and therefore
pagan, is not a religion, even if done in the name of the local
gods?


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On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:27:05 +1000, James A. Donald
wrote:

"Tchiowa"
It isn't that anyone who isn't Christian is a bigot,
it's that anyone who tries to block celebration of a
national holiday because their are offended by the
holiday is a bigot.

Militant Jews and radical Muslims should celebrate
Christmas the way that 90% of americans celebrate it and
the way 99% of American atheists, hindus, shintoists,
and animists celebrate it - as a day for the family to
be together, a day to be merry, and a day to be mindful
of peace on earth and goodwill to all men - instead of
threatening lawsuits and manufacturing confrontation and
hostility and reacting to Christmas cheer as if they
were being offered a ham sandwich.

Ham may be forbidden to observant Jews, but there is
nothing forbidding Christmas.

But some Christian religions would be very unhappy with a member
who took, say, Yom Kippur seriously and treated Jesus as
non-divine and certainly not the son of God. Oh, wait a minute:
that would be a Unitarian-Universalist.

Not to mention that Jews have quite a few days for family to be
together and be mindful of peace on earth and good will to men.
It might not be a bad idea if more Christians spent some days
besides Christmas for family to be together and be mindful of
peace on earth and good will to men.

For a Jew, taking Christmas seriously would be worshipping a
false god.

Many Jews take Christmas as a secular holiday -- they get the day
off, too. Sure, the Japanese take Christmas seriously as a
holiday as well, but they tend to get confused and put Santa
Claus on a cross.



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