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United on the brink of self destruction?
Big problems at UAL this Holiday weekend. Many flights cancelled for
lack of crew? How can an airline in bankruptcy have its work force disrupt schedules on this Holiday weekend? It's like driving another nail into its coffin. |
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Jimbo Minn wrote:
Big problems at UAL this Holiday weekend. Many flights cancelled for lack of crew? How can an airline in bankruptcy have its work force disrupt schedules on this Holiday weekend? It's like driving another nail into its coffin. Let it crash and burn. A lot of people are going to find that there are some things worse than being unhappy with your job ... let's see how they like having no job at all ... |
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"Jay C" wrote in message link.net... Jimbo Minn wrote: Big problems at UAL this Holiday weekend. Many flights cancelled for lack of crew? How can an airline in bankruptcy have its work force disrupt schedules on this Holiday weekend? It's like driving another nail into its coffin. Let it crash and burn. A lot of people are going to find that there are some things worse than being unhappy with your job ... let's see how they like having no job at all ... There's not a single one of those FAs that can't go get a job somewhere else doing something else making more money if they want to, and they know it. |
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bunny wrote:
There's not a single one of those FAs that can't go get a job somewhere else doing something else making more money if they want to, and they know it. Not quite. The minute they leave United and go to another airline, they lose their seniority and enter at the bottom of the lists at their new employer. And that is a huge deal to pilots and flight attendants. |
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"nobody" wrote in message ... bunny wrote: There's not a single one of those FAs that can't go get a job somewhere else doing something else making more money if they want to, and they know it. Not quite. The minute they leave United and go to another airline, they lose their seniority and enter at the bottom of the lists at their new employer. And that is a huge deal to pilots and flight attendants. Read it again. United FAs can get a job somewhere else *doing something else* making more money. No UA FA needs to fear unemployment if UA goes under. Some posters seem to have gleeful fantasies of how the rebellious FAs will suffer inevitable unemployment if UA ceases to exist, and boy howdy, won't they be sorry then. That is their fantasy, not at all the reality. |
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Read it again. United FAs can get a job somewhere else *doing
something else* making more money. No UA FA needs to fear unemployment if UA goes under. I've never heard a headhunter or anyone working in the employment business say that FA experience is highly sought after. Perhaps you are too busy drooling over Bush coverage, but the number of unemployed people remains quite high. FAs would go into the same hopper as other unemployed people. Considering that many UA FAs are not exactly young, their job prospects are not great. The young ones have better opportunity, but then again, what does their experience count for, a customer service job or a waitress? Dream on, bunny. You will never find a job as good as a UA FA in this economy. Pete |
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"spamfree" wrote in message ink.net... Read it again. United FAs can get a job somewhere else *doing something else* making more money. No UA FA needs to fear unemployment if UA goes under. I've never heard a headhunter or anyone working in the employment business say that FA experience is highly sought after. Most jobs are not acquired as a result of headhunters. As for people in the unemployment business, I have talked to several of them recently; be honest, have you? Have you ever talked to one single person in the employment business about FA employment? Come on now. :-) In fact, the skills required to get and keep a UA FA job are quite appreciated by many employers. You need certain qualities to win that job, and you displayed certain qualities to keep that job. Employers know that. Former FAs are highly employable. I was told that recently by no less than six people in the unemployment business in one week. So there. Pthththt! :-) Seriously, I was a UA res agent until they recently outsourced our jobs to India and closed our call center. During the last two months there they had tons of employment-type professionals trooping through there talking to us, which is why I've talked to so many of them recently. I've got buds who used to be FAs. Believe me, FAs are highly employable. No problem there. We former res agents are having no problems either. Prospective employers love us, and my friends who have already accepted new jobs are all making more money. The *only* ones who are not making more money are the ones who accepted transfer jobs in United itself. Perhaps you are too busy drooling over Bush coverage, You have strange fantasies. I'm not a Bush fan, but if imagining the fella doing whatever floats your boat, more power to you. If you want drool from me, you'd better show me the dark chocolate and hope you catch me on a good day. but the number of unemployed people remains quite high. FAs would go into the same hopper as other unemployed people. Not really. Someone with minimal proven skills and a crappy work history is not in "the same hopper" as someone with proven skills and great dependability. All people who are unemployed do not share the same advantages/disadvantages. FAs are in good shape. Considering that many UA FAs are not exactly young, their job prospects are not great. Incorrect. The young ones have better opportunity, but then again, what does their experience count for, a customer service job or a waitress? Dream on, bunny. You will never find a job as good as a UA FA in this economy. Incorrect. Apparently this is a topic I'm better educated in than you are. If you think that FA equals Waitress In The Sky, you're thinking in very old stereotypes. Have you seen how thick the FA manual is? When is the last time you saw a waitress have to learn and practice the contents of a big-ass manual? There's a lot more to getting and keeping many of these airline jobs than you can know from the outside. Not your fault, I would have made a lot of wrong assumptions too before I went to work for an airline and learned this stuff. |
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"bunny" wrote in message . .. "Jay C" wrote in message link.net... Jimbo Minn wrote: Big problems at UAL this Holiday weekend. Many flights cancelled for lack of crew? How can an airline in bankruptcy have its work force disrupt schedules on this Holiday weekend? It's like driving another nail into its coffin. Let it crash and burn. A lot of people are going to find that there are some things worse than being unhappy with your job ... let's see how they like having no job at all ... There's not a single one of those FAs that can't go get a job somewhere else doing something else making more money if they want to, and they know it. Actually, there aren't many of the FA's who believe it. They've seen too many of their friends laid off and they know there aren't other FA jobs out there. Since most FA's are working in that profession because they WANT to fly, it is probably safe to say that they won't be happy doing other work. Or, at least "as" happy. Jeff |
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"Jeff Hacker" wrote in message ... Actually, there aren't many of the FA's who believe it. They've seen too many of their friends laid off and they know there aren't other FA jobs out there. Since most FA's are working in that profession because they WANT to fly, it is probably safe to say that they won't be happy doing other work. Or, at least "as" happy. It's just as well I'm no longer on the check off sheet OKing new employees at my last two employers before making the move to self employment. Based on personal experience with (domestic) UA flight attendants 1965-present (not often but over a long haul), they would be unlikely to meet my criteria. On my expereince, they set industry records for standing around the galley shooting the ****.... TMO |
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TOliver wrote:
It's just as well I'm no longer on the check off sheet OKing new employees at my last two employers before making the move to self employment. Based on personal experience with (domestic) UA flight attendants 1965-present (not often but over a long haul), they would be unlikely to meet my criteria. On my expereince, they set industry records for standing around the galley shooting the ****.... I gotta agree there. A relative recently flew SFO-FRA-SFO Outbound was UA, return was LH. They were in nearly the same seat location, and both flights were 747, but the flight experiences were totally different. The LH FA's actually WORKED the their flight, the UA one's did nothing more than the standard food and beverage services. |
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