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"Joey Jolley" wrote in message om... We're talking about an ecologically sustainable future. That's what we're talking about. What else is required for an ecologically sustainable future? |
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"Joey Jolley" wrote in message om... We're talking about an ecologically sustainable future. That's what we're talking about. What else is required for an ecologically sustainable future? 1. Alternative Energy-Wind, solar, tidal power. Biomass and hydrogen also on the drawing board. 2. Green Buildings and homes 3. Pristine lands and open space 4. Mixed-use developments (retail on the ground floor, offices/condos/apartments on top) 5. Smart Growth/New Urbanism neighborhoods-neighborhoods that have everything within walking distance of where we live 6. Places for wildlife 7. Downtown areas where residences, shopping, restaurants, etc. are all located in one spot 8. Dense cities and towns. If possible, overhauling our cities and towns so they're smaller and about the size they were before World War II 9. Alternative transportation. Get around by bicycle, foot, or mass transit. No cars. Gradually dismantle the road network. 10. Have car-free cities. Turn the streets of a city like San Francisco, New York, or Seattle into pedestrian malls. Or build new car-free cities. 11. Set up high-speed trains that connect cities and intercity trains to help people get around cities. Guidewire trollies could also do the trick. 12. Design aircraft that runs on solar power and build smaller airports. Design aircraft that can take off vertically rather than horizontally. 13. Keep businesses locally/employee-owned and smaller and don't have big corporations. 14. Live simply instead of frugally or materially. Switch money to non paper-based currency such as credits. Own less. 15. Put vegetation or rooftop gardens on top of buildings so people can grow their own food. Also have community gardens and community farms. 16. Make television interactive. Send all movies to DVD or online viewing areas rather than theatres. 17. Make all weapons laser-based or non-lethal stun weapons. Outlaw projectile weapons. 18. Clean oceans. No pollution or fishing. Allow kelp farming such as what they're doing in Arcata, California 19. Overhaul the United States by turning by abolishing the fifty states and combing them into regional subdivisions. Move the US Capital from Washington to San Francisco and change to female leadership. Shrink the government and give internal subdivisions 20. A space program using sustainable space vehicles and move some of the population to orbital space stations, space colonies, colonies on the Moon and other planets such as Mars, with an eventual move to the stars. This will help lower the population on Earth. The population on the Moon and other planets use the resources of these places sustainably. 21. Contact sports are banned because they promote violence and aggression. Keep sports such as baseball and soccer. Americans deal with aggression by holding ritual war games. 22. A more liberated American population with a twenty-hour work week, hippie-style romance, etc. 23. Communal living arrangements but keep them voluntary. Keep non-communal arrangements for those who want them. 24. A love for trees and animals are left alone and treated as sentient creatures 25. Nature-based and New Age religion 26. Same clothing styles and fashions as today, but clothes are hand-woven and made out of plant material 27. Integrate technology with daily life 28. Communications are done via videophones and over Internet-based and satellite-based communications systems 29. Where land is scarce or is environmentally sensitive, build some facilties Korean-style. Underground. There's more where those ideas came from. |
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On 3/16/2004 9:14 AM Joey Jolley spake thus:
"Vendicar Decarian" wrote in message ... "Joey Jolley" wrote in message om... We're talking about an ecologically sustainable future. That's what we're talking about. What else is required for an ecologically sustainable future? 1. Alternative Energy-Wind, solar, tidal power. Biomass and hydrogen also on the drawing board. 2. Green Buildings and homes 3. Pristine lands and open space 4. Mixed-use developments (retail on the ground floor, offices/condos/apartments on top) 5. Smart Growth/New Urbanism neighborhoods-neighborhoods that have everything within walking distance of where we live 6. Places for wildlife 7. Downtown areas where residences, shopping, restaurants, etc. are all located in one spot 8. Dense cities and towns. If possible, overhauling our cities and towns so they're smaller and about the size they were before World War II 9. Alternative transportation. Get around by bicycle, foot, or mass transit. No cars. Gradually dismantle the road network. [snip] Nice ideas. I fully endorse many of these ideas. I also know that most of them will never happen. So let's get real. -- The Bush administration should restrain itself from its imperial arrogance that has so alienated countries around the world. Their contempt for the United Nations in the dash to war with Iraq; their support of the coup in Venezuela in April 2002, and the continuing hostility toward President Chavez; the pressure on nations of the world to exempt the US from the International Criminal Court, now joined by their contemptuous attitude toward President Aristide must be halted. It is time for the people of the USA to make this point clear even if the administration continues to walk around with wax in its collective ears, with eyes closed, and ranting about its version of the world as defined by Bush. - Excerpt from TransAfrica statement on the situation in Haiti, 2/17/04 (http://www.transafricaforum.org/) |
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On 3/16/2004 9:14 AM Joey Jolley spake thus: "Vendicar Decarian" wrote in message ... "Joey Jolley" wrote in message om... We're talking about an ecologically sustainable future. That's what we're talking about. What else is required for an ecologically sustainable future? 1. Alternative Energy-Wind, solar, tidal power. Biomass and hydrogen also on the drawing board. 2. Green Buildings and homes 3. Pristine lands and open space 4. Mixed-use developments (retail on the ground floor, offices/condos/apartments on top) 5. Smart Growth/New Urbanism neighborhoods-neighborhoods that have everything within walking distance of where we live 6. Places for wildlife 7. Downtown areas where residences, shopping, restaurants, etc. are all located in one spot 8. Dense cities and towns. If possible, overhauling our cities and towns so they're smaller and about the size they were before World War II 9. Alternative transportation. Get around by bicycle, foot, or mass transit. No cars. Gradually dismantle the road network. [snip] Nice ideas. I fully endorse many of these ideas. I also know that most of them will never happen. So let's get real. Which ones won't happen and if you read "Ecotopia" by Ernest Callenbach, you'll get the picture. Also Berkeley is going car-free from what I understand. -- The Bush administration should restrain itself from its imperial arrogance that has so alienated countries around the world. Their contempt for the United Nations in the dash to war with Iraq; their support of the coup in Venezuela in April 2002, and the continuing hostility toward President Chavez; the pressure on nations of the world to exempt the US from the International Criminal Court, now joined by their contemptuous attitude toward President Aristide must be halted. It is time for the people of the USA to make this point clear even if the administration continues to walk around with wax in its collective ears, with eyes closed, and ranting about its version of the world as defined by Bush. - Excerpt from TransAfrica statement on the situation in Haiti, 2/17/04 (http://www.transafricaforum.org/) |
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Joey Jolley wrote:
1. Alternative Energy-Wind, solar, tidal power. Biomass and hydrogen also on the drawing board. 2. Green Buildings and homes 3. Pristine lands and open space 4. Mixed-use developments (retail on the ground floor, offices/condos/apartments on top) 5. Smart Growth/New Urbanism neighborhoods-neighborhoods that have everything within walking distance of where we live 6. Places for wildlife 7. Downtown areas where residences, shopping, restaurants, etc. are all located in one spot 8. Dense cities and towns. If possible, overhauling our cities and towns so they're smaller and about the size they were before World War II 9. Alternative transportation. Get around by bicycle, foot, or mass transit. No cars. Gradually dismantle the road network. 10. Have car-free cities. Turn the streets of a city like San Francisco, New York, or Seattle into pedestrian malls. Or build new car-free cities. and then on to... 19. Overhaul the United States by turning by abolishing the fifty states and combing them into regional subdivisions. Move the US Capital from Washington to San Francisco and change to female leadership. Shrink the government and give internal subdivisions 21. Contact sports are banned because they promote violence and aggression. Keep sports such as baseball and soccer. Americans deal with aggression by holding ritual war games. 22. A more liberated American population with a twenty-hour work week, hippie-style romance, etc. 23. Communal living arrangements but keep them voluntary. Keep non-communal arrangements for those who want them. 24. A love for trees and animals are left alone and treated as sentient creatures 25. Nature-based and New Age religion This is how you can tell our troll is a pro-car propagandist. He starts out with sensible ideas that he is opposed to, and then attempts to tar them by association with off-the-wall lunacy. miguel -- Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/ |
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On 3/16/2004 10:01 PM Joey Jolley spake thus:
David Nebenzahl wrote in message ... On 3/16/2004 9:14 AM Joey Jolley spake thus: "Vendicar Decarian" wrote in message ... "Joey Jolley" wrote in message om... We're talking about an ecologically sustainable future. That's what we're talking about. What else is required for an ecologically sustainable future? 1. Alternative Energy-Wind, solar, tidal power. Biomass and hydrogen also on the drawing board. 2. Green Buildings and homes 3. Pristine lands and open space 4. Mixed-use developments (retail on the ground floor, offices/condos/apartments on top) 5. Smart Growth/New Urbanism neighborhoods-neighborhoods that have everything within walking distance of where we live 6. Places for wildlife 7. Downtown areas where residences, shopping, restaurants, etc. are all located in one spot 8. Dense cities and towns. If possible, overhauling our cities and towns so they're smaller and about the size they were before World War II 9. Alternative transportation. Get around by bicycle, foot, or mass transit. No cars. Gradually dismantle the road network. [snip] Nice ideas. I fully endorse many of these ideas. I also know that most of them will never happen. So let's get real. Which ones won't happen and if you read "Ecotopia" by Ernest Callenbach, you'll get the picture. Also Berkeley is going car-free from what I understand. Bull****! Absolute ****ing HORSE****! Look, pal: I work near the corner of Telegraph and Ashby, a major Berkeley intersection, and I'm lucky to get through this intersection twice each day without getting creamed by the tons of traffic speeding through it. I hear horns honking all day. So, no, you understand completely incorrectly: neither Berkeley, nor any significant part of Berkeley, is going car-free. (Well, with the possible exception of parts of the UC campus which are off-limits to cars. But that's it.) -- The Bush administration should restrain itself from its imperial arrogance that has so alienated countries around the world. Their contempt for the United Nations in the dash to war with Iraq; their support of the coup in Venezuela in April 2002, and the continuing hostility toward President Chavez; the pressure on nations of the world to exempt the US from the International Criminal Court, now joined by their contemptuous attitude toward President Aristide must be halted. It is time for the people of the USA to make this point clear even if the administration continues to walk around with wax in its collective ears, with eyes closed, and ranting about its version of the world as defined by Bush. - Excerpt from TransAfrica statement on the situation in Haiti, 2/17/04 (http://www.transafricaforum.org/) |
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"Joey Jolley" wrote in message om... What else is required for an ecologically sustainable future? 1. Alternative Energy-Wind, solar, tidal power. Biomass and hydrogen also on the drawing board. 2. Green Buildings and homes 3. Pristine lands and open space 4. Mixed-use developments (retail on the ground floor, offices/condos/apartments on top) 5. Smart Growth/New Urbanism neighborhoods-neighborhoods that have everything within walking distance of where we live 6. Places for wildlife 7. Downtown areas where residences, shopping, restaurants, etc. are all located in one spot 8. Dense cities and towns. If possible, overhauling our cities and towns so they're smaller and about the size they were before World War II 9. Alternative transportation. Get around by bicycle, foot, or mass transit. No cars. Gradually dismantle the road network. [snip] Nice ideas. I fully endorse many of these ideas. I also know that most of them will never happen. So let's get real. Which ones won't happen and if you read "Ecotopia" by Ernest Callenbach, you'll get the picture. Also Berkeley is going car-free from what I understand. From records taken in England that were recently analyzed for pollution levels, we are living in the lowest pollution time since record were first taken in the 16th century. We are certainly living longer than any time in the past. Your list is a plan for moving back to a time of the worst pollution in recorded history, much shorter life time, much worse health from pollution, and a miserable inhuman existence. You want to kill a lot of people. "Car-free" is a cliché of people that are not smart enough to invent a continually improving society. They then build a dream world about a past they don't understand and create a fantasy where everyone living back then was in a paradise on earth. Of course we have much history from those times that says compared to today it was hell on earth. There is a show on the Travel Channel where people from the US go live with a family in a "simple" living off the earth society that many people think is a paradise compared to our present life style. Most of these people are in shock of how hard and miserable living that life is when they actually do it. They soon want to go home= but they are trapped by a contract to finish the TV episode. So all we have from you is a desire is to follow another murderous barbarian that wants to return to the "ideal" past and destroy everything that the sophisticated, educated parts of the world has worked so hard to improve. |
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The San Francisco Bay Area will be car-free within the next five to
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