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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
"Jarg" wrote in message news wrote in message ... In rec.food.cooking Mycroft wrote: Shocking! A politician lying............hang on a minute they do that for a living but are not supposed to get caught! It all stems from the fact that when honest politicians tell the truth, they get voted out of office. The truth sometimes hurts. Jimmy Carter can attest to what happens when you run a truthful political campaign. You mean the truth according to Jimmy Carter? Putting aside the subjective nature of "truth", you are wrong that he lost because of his campaign. He lost because he was a terrible leader and inept to boot. History will not judge his presidency kindly. Jarg History looks at Jimmy Carter very kindly. As for his presidency, I don't think that history will give it much thought, as it wasn't noted for war-mongering and personal scandals. Certainly he had his problems to overcome, like the hostage crisis, but he had his successes, like Camp David. |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
"devil" wrote in message
news On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:00:51 +0000, Jarg wrote: .. He mostly lost because of the deep recession that putting inflation under control required. I'm not sure many economists would concur withh your views about the necessity of a recession to control inflation. Certainly in other times inflation has been controlled without recession. In any case, that was only one reason he lost the election. You are overlooking his foreign policy failures, the Iran hostage crisis and Afghanistan for example. Nice enough man but he exuded impotence. Jarg |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:14:53 +0000, Jarg wrote:
"devil" wrote in message news On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:00:51 +0000, Jarg wrote: . He mostly lost because of the deep recession that putting inflation under control required. I'm not sure many economists would concur withh your views about the necessity of a recession to control inflation. Certainly in other times inflation has been controlled without recession. I have not heard many negative reports of Volcker's time at the feds. Reagan could not do better than keep him. As to wishful thinking, besides indluging in voodoo thing, it's not clear to me that in the circumstances, inflation could have been brought under control except by shock therapy. Massive increase in interest rates. In any case, that was only one reason he lost the election. You are overlooking his foreign policy failures, the Iran hostage crisis and Afghanistan for example. Nice enough man but he exuded impotence. The dirty trick that Reagan played with Iran helped too. But at the end of the day, the perception that the economy was terrible did it. |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
"nobody" wrote in message ... Well, there is nothing that is terribly new in that 20 minute broadcast. Just confirms suspicions that 1- the intelligence knew there was no international threath 2- ministers and Bliar made sure they had deniability. First of all, you've got to keep in mind the exact circumstances of this morning's interview: about one week after the Hutton-whitewash, by the same program (the Today Program) that sparked the whole "Hutton-Kelly-BBC" row and put the defence minister in an extremely difficult position. But above all, during this interview - following yesterday's Common's scandal about the PM's ignorance about the 45min WMD claim - the defence minister actually gets caught with his pants down: in a follow up report towards the end of the program (see other audio-file), we hear some quotes by the minister from the time of the Hutton-inquiry, where he confirms to be well aware that the public opinion (misguided by major press outlets) thought that the 45-minute claim referred to ballistic weapon delivery capabilities, and that this was exactly the ("imminent threat") issue/argument at the time: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/li...n_20040205.ram The defence minister says there that he 'recalls' the press articles... in other press interviews, he has earlier said that he didn't bother to correct public opinion because that would be something that would have been "too difficult" to achieve... The conclusions of this are far reaching, which is why the journalist (John Humphrey) keeps pressing the issue: 1. Tony Blair should have asked questions about this '45mins imminent threat WMD' issue, because it concerned the security of the nation. Now Blair says he didn't bother to ask... despite the fact that he toke the country to war over the issue. 2. Geoff Hoon is lying, and actually contradicting earlier statements in the press and before the Hutton inquiry (under oath). 3. David Kelly, whose name was leaked to the press by Geoff Hoon's office, under supervision of Tony Blair who said that he was "empathlically not" aware of the naming strategy, despite the fact that Lord Hutton, of all people, found that the PM indeed was chairing the precise meeting where this naming strategy was decided upon - well David Kelly was right when he said that the intelligence was exagerated and sexed up by people like Tony Blair's press spokesman, Alistair Campbell. 4. Andrew Gilligan, the BBC's Today Program journalist who had claimed the govt. sexed up the WMD information "knowingly", after which Lord Hutton found that AG did not have the necessary proof to substantiate this claim, and AG last week was forced to quit the BBC; well AG is hereby proven right: the govt. sexed the information up "knowingly", as comes clear out of this interview !!! This radio interview is a real shocker !!! This is not the normal way BBC journalists interview politicians,... but given the particular circumstances, and the accurate exposure of the exact lies by TB and GH, that were the issue of the Hutton-report/whitewash, I believe John Humphry was absolutely right to press the issue in the way that he did. Andrew Gilligan and Greg Dyke should be restored in their job at the BBC. Geoff Hoon and Tony Blair are not ordinary politicians, lying as part of their job, but instead they are national traitors and international war criminals, and they should therefore be made to resign... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/audio/geoffhoon.ram http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/li...n_20040205.ram |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
"Sam D." wrote in message ... "Oelewapper" wrote in message ... Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying on Iraq - on BBC radio: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/audio/geoffhoon.ram Sensational. Incredible stuff... !!!! But what did he prepare for dinner? If he keeps dropping his boss in the brown sticky stuff... Cyanide? John Hoping he invites Tony over to share. |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
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wrote: You mean the truth according to Jimmy Carter? Putting aside the subjective nature of "truth", you are wrong that he lost because of his campaign. He lost because he was a terrible leader and inept to boot. History will not judge his presidency kindly. Jarg Sorry but it's the American people that history will look unkindly on. We were terrible, petulant followers during Carter's Presidency, unworthy of being led anywhere other than death valley. |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
"John Bailey" writes:
"Sam D." wrote in message ... "Oelewapper" wrote in message ... Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying on Iraq - on BBC radio: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/audio/geoffhoon.ram Sensational. Incredible stuff... !!!! But what did he prepare for dinner? If he keeps dropping his boss in the brown sticky stuff... Cyanide? John Hoping he invites Tony over to share. Maybe they could go for a walk in the woods together. Alan -- Alan Williams, Room IT301, Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester, M13 9PL, U.K. Tel: +44 161 275 6270 Fax: +44 161 275 6280 |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBCRadio)
Stark Raven wrote:
Sorry but it's the American people that history will look unkindly on. We were terrible, petulant followers during Carter's Presidency, unworthy of being led anywhere other than death valley. You forgot that Carter got Egypt and Israel to sign a real, long lasting peace agreement that has lasted to this day. That is quite an achievement considering that none of the other presidents were able to get anything real done. A president doesn't have 100% control over the ecomomy. He can help steer it, but he can't steer it. It is possible that Carter may not have steered it sufficiently in the right direction (or perhaps helped steer it in wrong direction). But it isn't 100% his own doing. (and yes, that applies to Bush as well, although Bush definitely has streered it very much in the wrong direction over his whole stay at the white house) As far as the Iran hostages issue, which was Carter's real undoing at the 1980 elections, it would have happened to any USA president at the helm during that time period. |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
"nobody" wrote in message ... Stark Raven wrote: Sorry but it's the American people that history will look unkindly on. We were terrible, petulant followers during Carter's Presidency, unworthy of being led anywhere other than death valley. You forgot that Carter got Egypt and Israel to sign a real, long lasting peace agreement that has lasted to this day. That is quite an achievement considering that none of the other presidents were able to get anything real done. It has only cost American taxpayers $5 billion a year since 1979. |
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SHOCKING: Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying (BBC Radio)
Sensational. Incredible stuff... !!!!
But what did he prepare for dinner? If he keeps dropping his boss in the brown sticky stuff... Cyanide? John Hoping he invites Tony over to share. Maybe they could go for a walk in the woods together. Alan Such a nice picture.... john |
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