American dollars is plunging: NO MORE TRAVEL!

"alohacyberian" schreef in bericht
...
I've decided that's the best kind of reply for David Horne. You can't
argue
with ignorance.

The most ignorant idiot is called alohacyberian.

Sjoerd

"alohacyberian" schreef in bericht
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There is nothing wrong with stating something as an opinion even if you
know
it to be factual. But, factual information regarding things like AIDS and
adoption can change very rapidly. I too, have had foster children and
worked
in the Department of Heath for a number of years where I was directly
involved with AIDS patients on a daily basis. I know enough to understand
that just because people have been foster parents, that hardly makes them
experts on the issue and just because someone is gay and/or has AIDS that
doesn't give them an more expertise than having cancer gives someone a
degree
in oncology. It would be foolhardy to think I could impart my entire
experience or knowledge in a Usenet newsgroup bickering fest. And just
because you don't happen to like me or my posts, that doesn't my level of
expertise.

instead, your fascist views give you all the authority you need.

Sjoerd

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 01:56:19 GMT, "alohacyberian"
wrote:

"Hatunen" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:28:07 GMT, "alohacyberian"
wrote:
"Hatunen" wrote in message
.. .

But, you're pointing out the logical fallacy that there isn't enough data
to
back his assertions, therefore no decision can be made to reinforce his
assertions, but you automatically assume that your assertions are
acceptable
when you lack the same data to support your position! Astonishing! KM

Maybe it would be a good idea if everyone dealt in some facts,
eh? You're scarcely innocent of saying "I think that so and so is
so."


There is nothing wrong with stating something as an opinion even if you know
it to be factual. But, factual information regarding things like AIDS and
adoption can change very rapidly. I too, have had foster children and worked
in the Department of Heath for a number of years where I was directly
involved with AIDS patients on a daily basis. I know enough to understand
that just because people have been foster parents, that hardly makes them
experts on the issue and just because someone is gay and/or has AIDS that
doesn't give them an more expertise than having cancer gives someone a degree
in oncology.

I didn't say I was an expert on AIDS, although having a child
infected with HIV is a strong incentive to learning as much as
you can. I did say that in my own experience at least on-third of
the people I knew that had AIDS did not get it throug homosexual
activity and I said this in response to someone who claimed that
100% was. I took this to mean infection was a direct consequence
of homosexual activity.

It would be foolhardy to think I could impart my entire
experience or knowledge in a Usenet newsgroup bickering fest. And just
because you don't happen to like me or my posts, that doesn't my level of
expertise. KM

You've already held your nose up and implied your level of
expertise was higher than mine, and even seemed ot imply I had
little. That's a bit unseemly.

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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

"alohacyberian" schreef in bericht
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Yes, I understand that when drugs are decriminalized there are no longer
any
organizations who compile accurate data. If you want to take drugs, be my
guest, I don't have any need or desire for them.

OK, you have decided to ignore the FACTS and just believe your and your
ilk's propaganda.

Sjoerd

"alohacyberian" schreef in bericht
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I don't agree with a lot of what happens either in my country of birth or
in
the United States, but, I hardly think travel newsgroups are the place to
bash countries when those doing the bashing are only trying deflect
attention
away from their own shortcomings and disappointments. There is a lot of
difference between pointing out the shortcomings or things about a country
that don't appeal to any given person and bashing the country. You've
freqently been guilty of the latter. It's a symptom of ingratitude and
narrow
vision.

And you still haven't answered my question what freedoms Americans have that
Dutch people don't have. Perhaps because there aren't any?

Sjoerd

"alohacyberian" schreef in bericht
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Till the legal recreational drugs wear off or until he pursues euthanasia?

Can you go any lower than that?

Sjoerd

"Sjoerd" wrote in message
...


And you still haven't answered my question what freedoms Americans have
that
Dutch people don't have. Perhaps because there aren't any?

some restrictions apply to US Americans too:

In Alaska it is forbidden to toss a *dead* moose from an aeroplane and in
California whales must not be shot to death from passing automobiles.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:36:49 GMT, john
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:47:13 GMT, Turby
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:31:00 GMT, john
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 01:20:32 -0500, nobody wrote:

Sjoerd wrote:
Indeed. Children deserve caring, loving, parents. Research has proven that
it doesn't matter if these parents are women, men, or a man and a woman.

Caring animals can also do the trick. Tarzan turned out pretty well, didn't he ?

At this point in time, it is fairly pointless to try to argue with americans.
You can provide facts, links to stories etc. But then when they refuse to
believe them, there is really nothing you can do.


Speaking of Tarzan, how could he appear so clean-shaven??

Depilitory cream.

Turby the Turbosurfer

Oh I see, he just swing along the vine until he reaches a drug store
to purchase the cream. Is that correct?

Of course not. You're behind the times. Nobody buys anything FTF
anymore. He got it off the Internet - probably Ebay, but he may have
found it in a spam. The Internet's everywhere, donchaknow.

Turby the Turbosurfer

alohacyberian muttered....


Taxes in the United States (and most other countries) have never been
fair and probably never will be. Income taxes in the United States
discriminate against all single people, not just homosexuals. KM

What in the world gives you that idea?

The US Tax Code has for decades "favored" single individuals, and only
recently has the "mariage penalty" been partially eliminated.

Income taxes in the US "discriminate" against married persons who each have
incomes and file joint returns (the most common condition of tax-filing
families).

Even more repressive is the treatment of educational expenses. If my
daughter chooses to spend her income on education related to her income-
producing vocation(s), the expenses are deductible, yet the vast sum which
my spouse and I spent to provide for her education to practice that
vocation came from our "after-tax" earnings.

On the other hand, US tax codes, at least on the federal side, favor folks
who own homes and "real property", largely to offset the substantial
property tax burdens at local government levels. States have moved away
from property taxes, but at combined levels, IIRC, US governments
(combined federal/state/local) tax "capital" at a higher rate than is
common in Western Union (although vast variance exists among effective
taxation rates at state and local levels). Just as Delaware is the charter
home of many corporations, companies build plants and individuals own land
in locales where it's "cheap" to do so.

Toyota's new San Antonio, Texas truck plant is (a) close to the world's
largest potential market for the full size pickups to be built there, the
US Southwest/South, (b) will receive subtantial property tax
abatement/forgiveness from San Antonio and Bexar County, (c) is in a low
wage area with a large available work force with skill levels up to
Toyota's requirements and (d) is in a state with no corporate or personal
income taxes (state or local).

International "Tax Shopping" is a major game played by companies,
partnertships and individuals.

TMO

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 01:12:16 GMT, "alohacyberian"
wrote:

"Hatunen" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:28:02 GMT, "alohacyberian"
wrote:

AIDS is very serious
business and the populace, the media and the medical establishment are
going
to have to give up their sugar-coated generalizations that attempt to
paint a
tiny minority of AIDS victims as part of the mainstream. KM

Ah. Then the statement "close to 100% of the cases were due to
homosexual activity" was not meant to say that 100% were directly
due to homosexual contact but rather that somewhere in the chain
of the infections soomeone did engage in homosexual activity.

Thank you for the clarification. If one subscribes to Shilts'
proposition of a patient Zero then 100% it is for the USA.


I never made the silly statement that 100% of AIDS cases were due to
homosexual activity

I never said you did.

and I shouldn't be expected to defend it.

but you took up the cudgels when I responded to it.

Why don't you
take it up with the person who posted it?

I did. You jumped in.

Or is it easier to blanket indict
everyone who disagrees with some of your words and claim that all of them are
saying the same thing. Maybe that makes for dramatic dialogue, but, it's
dishonest. KM

Do try to pay attention here.


************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
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