Just returned from cruise - don't get it...

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:16:53 GMT, "Jean O'Boyle"
wrote:


"RTCReferee" wrote in message
news:20040802000443.12159.00002765@mb-incentive! I What has communism to
do with it? I'm not keen on paid informers on cruise ships, but a
communist idea? Hardly!

What I meant by communist state or tactics; In communist countries such as
China and once Russia, people informed on each other out of fear..

While on a ship, it would not be done out of fear, but there is the
unpleasantness of reporting others and acting as an informant,...I do not
find that as a very pleasant thing to be doing, especially while enjoying a
cruise..
I am not a smoker and cannot tolerate smoking due to allergies and sinus
trouble...but I think if a cruiseline says that there is to be no smoking in
the cabins, it is THEIR job to see that appropriate measures are set up to
prevent it from happening..

While I tend to agree with you, from my point of view, I'm going to
make sure I enjoy my cruise. You are probably paying a premium to
enjoy a smoke free cruise, why not make sure that you do?

I asked a guy on our last cruise to please move to the smoking side of
the pool. Let's just say he was unfriendly, so I asked a passing
staffer (one of the cruise staff, not a waiter) to talk with him. She
did, he moved, called me a bunch of names. We got a small round of
applause.


The cruise line did not arrive at this policy without considering the
wishes of
its clients. So in enforcing "its wishes" (as you put it), the cruise
line is
enforcing the wishes of its clients.

Ref, as I said above, the cruise line should enforce its own rules and not
expect the passengers who have taken it for those very reasons, to do
it...If they are willing to put out the money to do it properly, there
should be no problem...Carnival Paradise was able to do it..

--Jean


I
I think it's actually easier on a totally smoke free ship. Anything
out of the ordinary is either cigarettes or a real fire. When you
have smoking in some parts of the ship, you can't tell if it's someone
smoking in their stateroom or just that dreadful pall that smokers
always drag around with them.

Why would someone sign up for a smoke free trip, knowing it's smoke
free, and then try to sneak a smoke. That's like sneaking a drink in a
voluntary rehab. Or did I just answer my question?

--
dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:16:53 GMT, "Jean O'Boyle"
wrote:


"RTCReferee" wrote in message
news:20040802000443.12159.00002765@mb-incentive! I What has communism to
do with it? I'm not keen on paid informers on cruise ships, but a
communist idea? Hardly!

What I meant by communist state or tactics; In communist countries such as
China and once Russia, people informed on each other out of fear..

While on a ship, it would not be done out of fear, but there is the
unpleasantness of reporting others and acting as an informant,...I do not
find that as a very pleasant thing to be doing, especially while enjoying a
cruise..
I am not a smoker and cannot tolerate smoking due to allergies and sinus
trouble...but I think if a cruiseline says that there is to be no smoking in
the cabins, it is THEIR job to see that appropriate measures are set up to
prevent it from happening..

While I tend to agree with you, from my point of view, I'm going to
make sure I enjoy my cruise. You are probably paying a premium to
enjoy a smoke free cruise, why not make sure that you do?

I asked a guy on our last cruise to please move to the smoking side of
the pool. Let's just say he was unfriendly, so I asked a passing
staffer (one of the cruise staff, not a waiter) to talk with him. She
did, he moved, called me a bunch of names. We got a small round of
applause.


The cruise line did not arrive at this policy without considering the
wishes of
its clients. So in enforcing "its wishes" (as you put it), the cruise
line is
enforcing the wishes of its clients.

Ref, as I said above, the cruise line should enforce its own rules and not
expect the passengers who have taken it for those very reasons, to do
it...If they are willing to put out the money to do it properly, there
should be no problem...Carnival Paradise was able to do it..

--Jean


I
I think it's actually easier on a totally smoke free ship. Anything
out of the ordinary is either cigarettes or a real fire. When you
have smoking in some parts of the ship, you can't tell if it's someone
smoking in their stateroom or just that dreadful pall that smokers
always drag around with them.

Why would someone sign up for a smoke free trip, knowing it's smoke
free, and then try to sneak a smoke. That's like sneaking a drink in a
voluntary rehab. Or did I just answer my question?

--
dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.

Dillon Pyron wrote:

I asked a guy on our last cruise to please move to the smoking side of
the pool. Let's just say he was unfriendly, so I asked a passing
staffer (one of the cruise staff, not a waiter) to talk with him. She
did, he moved, called me a bunch of names. We got a small round of
applause

On our Celebrity cruise, there were two occasions on the same evening of the
deck party when I asked two different smokers not to smoke on the non-smoking
side of the ship, and they were both nice about it.

I phrased it something like this: The party's great, isn't it? We're happy to
have you on the non-smoking side of the ship, but we'd appreciate it if you'd
put out your cigarette if you stay here. Both times the "offenders" smiled,
seemed honestly to have forgotten which side of the ship was which. One person
put out his cigarette and stayed on our side and the other person went over to
the smoker's side. I was happy both times and they seemed to be, too.

No applause, and no confrontation.

I realize that it is not always possible to accomplish the above without
confrontation, but most times people are reasonable when they are approached
reasonably.

Ultimately I believe that there will be significantly less smoke permitted on
cruise ships, but until that time, I appreciate that Celebrity, at least, makes
life easier on both smokers and nonsmokers on deck and in lounges. They really
must do something about giving non-smokers a smoke-free cabin and balcony,
though. No one should have to pay for a balcony and then have smoke,
especially cigar smoke, drift onto that balcony.

A Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:16:53 GMT, "Jean O'Boyle"
escribió:
What I meant by communist state or tactics; In communist countries such as
China and once Russia, people informed on each other out of fear..

Precisely the opposite of what was suggested he People
informing on each other out of personal, financial
self-interest. You can't get very much more capitalist than
that.


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A Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:16:53 GMT, "Jean O'Boyle"
escribió:
What I meant by communist state or tactics; In communist countries such as
China and once Russia, people informed on each other out of fear..

Precisely the opposite of what was suggested he People
informing on each other out of personal, financial
self-interest. You can't get very much more capitalist than
that.


--
bicker®
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/D...ry_040602.html

A Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:16:53 GMT, "Jean O'Boyle"
escribió:
What I meant by communist state or tactics; In communist countries such as
China and once Russia, people informed on each other out of fear..

Precisely the opposite of what was suggested he People
informing on each other out of personal, financial
self-interest. You can't get very much more capitalist than
that.


--
bicker®
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/D...ry_040602.html

Ultimately I believe that there will be significantly less smoke permitted
on
cruise ships,

Don't hold your breath. g
In my opinion, the cruiselines won't ever see it your way.....simple
fact....non-smokers will and can, **** and moan all they like..they even
pretend to follow through on threats not to cruise a certain line, ship,
etc.,... truth be told...they'll cruise, no matter the kicking and
screaming,,,

Smokers? Well, they just won't! Simple as that....I know you don't see it
this way, but, smokers won't even consider being stuck/trapped on a ship
that doesn't allow smoking! Unlike you, who consider going on a smoking
cruise.. smokers won't.. and, the cruiselines know this.. I smoke..Dh quit 4
years ago, he loves cruising, so do i...I also realize that it's getting
harder and harder to find places to smoke, land wise. There can be a
reasonable comprimise.. FLL sems to have found it. We pre and post cruise in
FLL, nd we do find places/ bars/rest's that allow smoking. My DH doesn't
like the smell, etc, that goes with my being a smoker, even though, he is an
ex-smoker..no matter, he does know I will not cruise the day cruises become
non-smoking! End oif story! And yet, I seriously doubt cruiseships will ever
become, majority non-smoking.
I also don't believe that any of the mainstream lines will seperate cabins,
SM, NS, no matter what side of ship or deck!
And, Oh MY! I really think you have a lot of balls to even suggest
nonsmokers have the right to supersede smokers

... Even my DH, ex-smoker that he is.. doesn't agree or think that what YOU
have paID AS A NON-SMOKER for a balcony should have veto power over who the
type of , equally paying balcony paxs reside next to you!
Talk about entitlement!


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Ultimately I believe that there will be significantly less smoke permitted
on
cruise ships,

Don't hold your breath. g
In my opinion, the cruiselines won't ever see it your way.....simple
fact....non-smokers will and can, **** and moan all they like..they even
pretend to follow through on threats not to cruise a certain line, ship,
etc.,... truth be told...they'll cruise, no matter the kicking and
screaming,,,

Smokers? Well, they just won't! Simple as that....I know you don't see it
this way, but, smokers won't even consider being stuck/trapped on a ship
that doesn't allow smoking! Unlike you, who consider going on a smoking
cruise.. smokers won't.. and, the cruiselines know this.. I smoke..Dh quit 4
years ago, he loves cruising, so do i...I also realize that it's getting
harder and harder to find places to smoke, land wise. There can be a
reasonable comprimise.. FLL sems to have found it. We pre and post cruise in
FLL, nd we do find places/ bars/rest's that allow smoking. My DH doesn't
like the smell, etc, that goes with my being a smoker, even though, he is an
ex-smoker..no matter, he does know I will not cruise the day cruises become
non-smoking! End oif story! And yet, I seriously doubt cruiseships will ever
become, majority non-smoking.
I also don't believe that any of the mainstream lines will seperate cabins,
SM, NS, no matter what side of ship or deck!
And, Oh MY! I really think you have a lot of balls to even suggest
nonsmokers have the right to supersede smokers

... Even my DH, ex-smoker that he is.. doesn't agree or think that what YOU
have paID AS A NON-SMOKER for a balcony should have veto power over who the
type of , equally paying balcony paxs reside next to you!
Talk about entitlement!


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Ultimately I believe that there will be significantly less smoke permitted
on
cruise ships,

Don't hold your breath. g
In my opinion, the cruiselines won't ever see it your way.....simple
fact....non-smokers will and can, **** and moan all they like..they even
pretend to follow through on threats not to cruise a certain line, ship,
etc.,... truth be told...they'll cruise, no matter the kicking and
screaming,,,

Smokers? Well, they just won't! Simple as that....I know you don't see it
this way, but, smokers won't even consider being stuck/trapped on a ship
that doesn't allow smoking! Unlike you, who consider going on a smoking
cruise.. smokers won't.. and, the cruiselines know this.. I smoke..Dh quit 4
years ago, he loves cruising, so do i...I also realize that it's getting
harder and harder to find places to smoke, land wise. There can be a
reasonable comprimise.. FLL sems to have found it. We pre and post cruise in
FLL, nd we do find places/ bars/rest's that allow smoking. My DH doesn't
like the smell, etc, that goes with my being a smoker, even though, he is an
ex-smoker..no matter, he does know I will not cruise the day cruises become
non-smoking! End oif story! And yet, I seriously doubt cruiseships will ever
become, majority non-smoking.
I also don't believe that any of the mainstream lines will seperate cabins,
SM, NS, no matter what side of ship or deck!
And, Oh MY! I really think you have a lot of balls to even suggest
nonsmokers have the right to supersede smokers

... Even my DH, ex-smoker that he is.. doesn't agree or think that what YOU
have paID AS A NON-SMOKER for a balcony should have veto power over who the
type of , equally paying balcony paxs reside next to you!
Talk about entitlement!


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"Eileen" wrote:

.. Even my DH, ex-smoker that he is.. doesn't agree or think that what
YOU have paID AS A NON-SMOKER for a balcony should have veto power over who
the type of , equally paying balcony paxs reside next to you!
Talk about entitlement!

Hmmm, so you think that SMOKERS should have veto power over non-smokers?
Come on over to California for a visit, LOL. Then YOU'LL get a breath of fresh
air. But you won't get veto power over non-smokers.

Yesterday we parked in front of the Khan Thoke Thai House Restaurant in San
Francisco. This is a restaurant where patrons remove their shoes to enter the
restaurant and dine. We noticed a smoker on the sidewalk in front of the
restaurant in his stocking feet, a light tan pair of socks that no doubt got
very dirty on the Geary Blvd. sidewalk. He was in such a hurry to get his
smoke in that he couldn't even put on his shoes to go outside, and also walked
back inside in his now-dirty socks, rudely dirtying the floor beneath his feet.

He looked very pathetic, of course, but there is no way that San Franciscans or
Californians or many other jurisdictions are going to go backwards to the days
that smokers, addicted or not, could pollute the air we breathe indoors.