Air France? Ptui!

Calif Bill wrote:
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
...

I'm an American, too, you idiot! (Fortunately not all of us are redneck
chauvinists.) As to "liberating" France, it took us long enough to get
involved, and France and Britain were doing quite well despite the Nazi's
superior forces. Also, without Russia, even the addition of American
military forces might not have turned the tide.

Actually tiny Holland stood up longer to the Germans than France. The
French lasted about 2 weeks. They were not doing well against the Germans.
What made the war winnable was Hitler. Even with a non agression pact with
Stalin, he opened up the Russian Front, took too many of his forces and
supplies away from the Battle of Britain.

One thing that doesn't get much "press" is a single decision Hitler
made that would have changed the war completely. In my opinion the
decision to develop the v-2 missles cost Germany the war. The weapon
seemed powerful. But what isn't widely discussed is that Hitler's
scientists were working on missles *and* the atomic bomb. They were way
ahead of the US. Had they continued to develop it they would have had
it a couple of years before we did. But Hitler didn't have enough money
for both and the missile was real and ready while the bomb was still
theory. So he ordered development on the bomb stopped and the money put
into missiles.

Imagine what would have happened had he used one nuke on London instead
of hundreds of missiles. He could have forced a surrender in days.

Plus the fine German engineering,
that made precision weapons that could not fire when it got real cold in
Russia. And do not knock redneck chauvinists. They have a right to
opinions also. And a lot of those rednecks are the the ones who went to war
to liberate France. You seem to be a chauvinist in your way also. You
should get an education before making so many wrong statements. And it was
the leaders of the US that kept us out of another European war for a while.
They believed that it was both bad for business and maybe there were some
Chamberlains among them. And it was Democrats in power at the time.

Democrats in power and ignored the situation in Europe allowing WWII to
become huge. Democrats in power and ignored the situation in Korea
allowing for another huge war. Democrats in power and started the
Vietnam war. Democrats in power and decided to escalate the war.

Democrats. The party of peace. ;-)

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:


Actually, given the draft, the "ones who went to war" were a
cross section of the entire male population between eighteen
and forty! They included both college professors and
rednecks - along with every class in between. Unless there
were more rednecks among the population than seems
reasonable, they were only part of the whole, so no special
virtue attaches to them.

A very high percentage of the population at that time, possible most,
would be considered "rednecks".

You seem to be a chauvinist in your way also. You
should get an education before making so many wrong statements.

Shall we compare college degrees?

And it was
the leaders of the US that kept us out of another European war for a while.
They believed that it was both bad for business and maybe there were some
Chamberlains among them. And it was Democrats in power at the time.

Really? I thought Herbert Hoover was a Republican. FDR may
have delayed until he knew the nation was behind him (unlike
the Shrub), but he certainly was no Isolationist!


????

Hoover was President from 1929-1932. Roosevelt became President in
1933. Hitler invaded Poland starting the fighting that became WWII in
1939, 6 years later.

Maybe you should back off about the college degree claim.

Tchiowa wrote:
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

Geoff Miller wrote:


EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:



Whereas I'm ashamed to acknowledge you as a fellow-countryman!



Likewise, you can be sure. I take it, then, that you didn't vote
for Bush?

Damned right! The man should be impeached, and if he hadn't
stacked Congress and the Supreme Court with his cronies, he
would be!


???? It's impossible for a President to stack Congress. The people
select Congress. And please tell me what percentage of the Justices of
the Supreme Court W selected.


22.2

In article ,
says...

"Tchiowa" kirjoitti
glegroups.com...


Interesting. Nothing proven against anyone except the one Congressman
but you are ready to convict.

There is only a couple of things on your postings which do bother the
subscribers of rte:

1. you faggot crosspost them all over the usenet - yes,
alt.gossip.celebrities too
2. they have nothing to do with travelling in Europe (which is the scope in
one of the crossposted groups)

Perhaps you just get lost

3. He lies like a dog.

bel

In article .com,
Tchiowa wrote:

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:


Actually, given the draft, the "ones who went to war" were a
cross section of the entire male population between eighteen
and forty! They included both college professors and
rednecks - along with every class in between. Unless there
were more rednecks among the population than seems
reasonable, they were only part of the whole, so no special
virtue attaches to them.

A very high percentage of the population at that time, possible most,
would be considered "rednecks".

You seem to be a chauvinist in your way also. You
should get an education before making so many wrong statements.

Shall we compare college degrees?

And it was
the leaders of the US that kept us out of another European war for a
while.
They believed that it was both bad for business and maybe there were some
Chamberlains among them. And it was Democrats in power at the time.

Really? I thought Herbert Hoover was a Republican. FDR may
have delayed until he knew the nation was behind him (unlike
the Shrub), but he certainly was no Isolationist!


????

Hoover was President from 1929-1932. Roosevelt became President in
1933. Hitler invaded Poland starting the fighting that became WWII in
1939, 6 years later.

Some people might say that the fighting in WWII began in 1931, when
Japan invaded Manchuria.

-Owen

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
...


Calif Bill wrote:

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
...


Geoff Miller wrote:

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:



"Need"? Perhaps not, but it might enlarge your view of the world
considerably, if you did!


My view of the world is adequately large as-is, but thanks for
your concern.




Aka "too stupid to learn more than one language" - and that one poorly,
in many cases!


That's a hell of a thing to say about the citizens of the country
who liberated France from the Knotsies. What's the French word for
"ingrate?"

I'm an American, too, you idiot! (Fortunately not all of us are redneck
chauvinists.) As to "liberating" France, it took us long enough to get
involved, and France and Britain were doing quite well despite the Nazi's
superior forces. Also, without Russia, even the addition of American
military forces might not have turned the tide.


Actually tiny Holland stood up longer to the Germans than France. The
French lasted about 2 weeks. They were not doing well against the
Germans. What made the war winnable was Hitler. Even with a non
agression pact with Stalin, he opened up the Russian Front, took too many
of his forces and supplies away from the Battle of Britain. Plus the
fine German engineering, that made precision weapons that could not fire
when it got real cold in Russia. And do not knock redneck chauvinists.
They have a right to opinions also. And a lot of those rednecks are the
the ones who went to war to liberate France.

Actually, given the draft, the "ones who went to war" were a cross section
of the entire male population between eighteen and forty! They included
both college professors and rednecks - along with every class in between.
Unless there were more rednecks among the population than seems
reasonable, they were only part of the whole, so no special virtue
attaches to them.

You seem to be a chauvinist in your way also. You
should get an education before making so many wrong statements.

Shall we compare college degrees?

And it was the leaders of the US that kept us out of another European
war for a while. They believed that it was both bad for business and
maybe there were some Chamberlains among them. And it was Democrats in
power at the time.

Really? I thought Herbert Hoover was a Republican. FDR may have delayed
until he knew the nation was behind him (unlike the Shrub), but he
certainly was no Isolationist!



I said you should get an education, I said nothing about your degree. And I
also have a degree. Engineering if you must know. And why would Herbert
Hoover be involved in keeping us out of war? FDR was elected in November of
1932. Hitler did not become Chancellor of Germany until 1933.

"O" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
Tchiowa wrote:

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:


Actually, given the draft, the "ones who went to war" were a
cross section of the entire male population between eighteen
and forty! They included both college professors and
rednecks - along with every class in between. Unless there
were more rednecks among the population than seems
reasonable, they were only part of the whole, so no special
virtue attaches to them.

A very high percentage of the population at that time, possible most,
would be considered "rednecks".

You seem to be a chauvinist in your way also. You
should get an education before making so many wrong statements.

Shall we compare college degrees?

And it was
the leaders of the US that kept us out of another European war for a
while.
They believed that it was both bad for business and maybe there were
some
Chamberlains among them. And it was Democrats in power at the time.

Really? I thought Herbert Hoover was a Republican. FDR may
have delayed until he knew the nation was behind him (unlike
the Shrub), but he certainly was no Isolationist!


????

Hoover was President from 1929-1932. Roosevelt became President in
1933. Hitler invaded Poland starting the fighting that became WWII in
1939, 6 years later.

Some people might say that the fighting in WWII began in 1931, when
Japan invaded Manchuria.

-Owen

But that was Asia, and the west really did not care about that area. Except
for France having control of rubber in Indo-china.

O wrote:
In article .com,
Tchiowa wrote:


EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:



Actually, given the draft, the "ones who went to war" were a
cross section of the entire male population between eighteen
and forty! They included both college professors and
rednecks - along with every class in between. Unless there
were more rednecks among the population than seems
reasonable, they were only part of the whole, so no special
virtue attaches to them.

A very high percentage of the population at that time, possible most,
would be considered "rednecks".


You seem to be a chauvinist in your way also. You

should get an education before making so many wrong statements.

Shall we compare college degrees?


And it was
the leaders of the US that kept us out of another European war for a
while.
They believed that it was both bad for business and maybe there were some
Chamberlains among them. And it was Democrats in power at the time.

Really? I thought Herbert Hoover was a Republican. FDR may
have delayed until he knew the nation was behind him (unlike
the Shrub), but he certainly was no Isolationist!


????

Hoover was President from 1929-1932. Roosevelt became President in
1933. Hitler invaded Poland starting the fighting that became WWII in
1939, 6 years later.


Some people might say that the fighting in WWII began in 1931, when
Japan invaded Manchuria.

Which doesn't make this contrary to any statements about the US being
kept out of "another European war"

Sancho Panza wrote:

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
...


And it was the leaders of the US that kept us out of another European
war for a while. They believed that it was both bad for business and
maybe there were some Chamberlains among them. And it was Democrats in
power at the time.

Really? I thought Herbert Hoover was a Republican. FDR may have delayed
until he knew the nation was behind him (unlike the Shrub), but he
certainly was no Isolationist!


What years do you think Hoover was president?

I KNOW what years he was president, it's the poster to whom
I was replying who seems unsure. Certainly FDR was no
Isolationist, as his post implies, so I assumed he had his
presidents confused.

Tchiowa wrote:

Geoff Miller wrote:

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:


"Need"? Perhaps not, but it might enlarge your view of the
world considerably, if you did!

My view of the world is adequately large as-is, but thanks for
your concern.


I have learned several languages to varying degress and that didn't
have any significant effect on my view of the world. Living in multiple
countries certainly has affected it and learning (or trying to learn -
which is more accurate in my case) new languages is fun, but the notion
that speaking French enlarges your view of the world is simply
nonsense.

I think this part of the discussion had shifted to "foereign
languages" per se - who said anything about only French?
(Although French is among the more civilized tongues.)



Aka "too stupid to learn more than one language" - and that
one poorly, in many cases!

That's a hell of a thing to say about the citizens of the country
who liberated France from the Knotsies. What's the French word
for "ingrate?"


Silly. The French word for "ingrate" is "French".