PLS HELP: use of tickets with connection

Not the Karl Orff wrote:
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"Peter L" wrote:



See that the OP is talking about international travel, we are probably
talking passport as an ID. I wonder how the OP is planning to use his
passport to go from Greece to Italy and yet have another passport for his
friend to use to get the boarding pass.


both are Schengen treaty countries IIRC. No need for immigration
procedures

But, they will probably notice that he is not on the plane.

Not the Karl Orff wrote:
"Peter L" wrote:
Sorry don't work. You can't get a boarding pass without actually being
there in person. Just the id won't work. And even if your friend does get
your boarding pass, you'll actually have to board, otherwise the airline
will show one person not boarding.

You can with certain airlines* (use automated or web checkin) but
probably not on the OP's airline of choice.

Depends on the airline and airport too.

In Greece, I would not be surprised if they collected the boarding pass
stubs and had them typed into the computer by hand several days later.
Actually I would not be surprised if they just threw them away. Actually I
am surprised every time the plane successfully takes off from ATH (that
said, I like it there).

miguel
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Well if he's talking about BA then it is immediate because the RES system
(called "RTZ") is linked to the Departure Control System (DCS). The
auto-cancellation occurs (I belive) as soon as the flight is finalised.



"Not the Karl Orff" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Peter L" wrote:

Sorry don't work. You can't get a boarding pass without actually being
there in person. Just the id won't work. And even if your friend does
get
your boarding pass, you'll actually have to board, otherwise the airline
will show one person not boarding.

You can with certain airlines* (use automated or web checkin) but
probably not on the OP's airline of choice.

Anyway, how long after not boarding but having checked in would the
airline cancel subsequent flight segments? I don't believe it's all
that fast or immediate.

* At least Alaska/Horizon, Continental, Northwest, Southwest. Probably
American.

In article ,
"Jamess" wrote:

Well if he's talking about BA then it is immediate because the RES system
(called "RTZ") is linked to the Departure Control System (DCS). The
auto-cancellation occurs (I belive) as soon as the flight is finalised.

Thanks for that tip. I guess any airline that uses a computer system to
track boarding records would be able to do that but I didn;t see tha the
OP was flying to the U.k. on this way between Greece and italy.


I guess AS/QX, QF, AA and NW woulc cancel immediately too as they use
cmputerised pax borading tracking.

And when they did their head count on the plane there would be a missing
passenger.
Derek.
"Mark Hewitt" wrote in message
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"Usuario Invitado" wrote in message
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Please, help me in that question:

If in the return trip I do not use the ticket from Athens to Milan,
because I arrive to Milan by another mean, does the airline
automatically cancel my ticket Milan-Madrid?

Yes.. Unless (theres always an unless) you are flying with a low cost
carrier or your Milan-Madrid ticket is booked entirely seperately from
your
Athens-Milan ticket

This is what my travel
agent claims, since according to the company, if I miss the first
flight, I cannot take the second connection.

It's called hidden city ticketing I believe. Not permitted.

If that's right, I imagine following trick:

A friend, who will fly the same schedule Athens-Milan-Madrid, would make
the check-in in Athens for me and for himself (I would give him an ID),
and get my boarding passes for the two flights.

How would he make the checkin for you and himself? The checking agent will
want to see you in person, not just your ID!

Then I would not take
the first flight in Athens (obviously I would be already in Milan).We
would meet in Milan and my friend would give me the boarding card for
the flight Milan-Madrid

He wouldn't be able to obtain the boarding card, you have to be there in
person, with your ID.

and I would take the plane.
Would in this instance the airline cancel my second boarding card,
because I did not use the first one?

Yes. But anyway, you wouldn't be able to get a boarding card.

Well, I would appreciate any enlightenment on that subject.

My advice would be to book your segments seperately. Book Madrid-Milan
return on one ticket, then book Athens-Milan on another ticket, and if
necessary don't use the return portion of that. You will not be able to
have
your baggage checked through or get boarding passes at your origin so make
sure you leave enough time for your connection.

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:02:12 GMT, Not the Karl Orff
wrote:

In article ,
"Peter L" wrote:

Sorry don't work. You can't get a boarding pass without actually being
there in person. Just the id won't work. And even if your friend does get
your boarding pass, you'll actually have to board, otherwise the airline
will show one person not boarding.

You can with certain airlines* (use automated or web checkin) but
probably not on the OP's airline of choice.

You can't, even with those airlines, on international travel.

Which, last time I checked, makes this point kinda irrelevant...
Madrid, Milan and Athens not being in the same country and all...

Anyway, how long after not boarding but having checked in would the
airline cancel subsequent flight segments? I don't believe it's all
that fast or immediate.

* At least Alaska/Horizon, Continental, Northwest, Southwest. Probably
American.

Yes on AA (for US domestic only), ditto UA.

Malc.

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:02:50 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
wrote:

[ Snip ]

no, I do not have an ethical problem with
using just part of a purchased service.

What Mr. Dissen meant to write is:

"I do not have an ethical problem with lying to obtain preferential
pricing when purchasing a service".

Malc.

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:10:59 -0700 Malcolm Weir wrote:

:On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:02:50 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
wrote:

: no, I do not have an ethical problem with
:using just part of a purchased service.

:What Mr. Dissen meant to write is:

:"I do not have an ethical problem with lying to obtain preferential
:pricing when purchasing a service".

No, Mr. Dissen meant what he wrote: "I do not have an ethical problem with
using just part of a purchased service."

Exactly where is the lying that you assert?

What promises do you typically make during a ticket purchase?

--
Binyamin Dissen
http://www.dissensoftware.com

Binyamin Dissen wrote:
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:10:59 -0700 Malcolm Weir wrote:

:On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:02:50 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
wrote:

: no, I do not have an ethical problem with
:using just part of a purchased service.

:What Mr. Dissen meant to write is:

:"I do not have an ethical problem with lying to obtain preferential
:pricing when purchasing a service".

No, Mr. Dissen meant what he wrote: "I do not have an ethical problem with
using just part of a purchased service."

Exactly where is the lying that you assert?

What promises do you typically make during a ticket purchase?


You and the airline agree to the rules regarding the tariff you bought
the ticket under. These rules state that you fly the segments in the
order they are booked and that you fly all segments.

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:08:57 GMT mrtravel wrote:

:Binyamin Dissen wrote:

: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:10:59 -0700 Malcolm Weir wrote:

: :On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:02:50 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
: wrote:

: : no, I do not have an ethical problem with
: :using just part of a purchased service.

: :What Mr. Dissen meant to write is:

: :"I do not have an ethical problem with lying to obtain preferential
: :pricing when purchasing a service".

: No, Mr. Dissen meant what he wrote: "I do not have an ethical problem with
: using just part of a purchased service."

: Exactly where is the lying that you assert?

: What promises do you typically make during a ticket purchase?

:You and the airline agree to the rules regarding the tariff you bought
:the ticket under. These rules state that you fly the segments in the
:order they are booked and that you fly all segments.

I make no such promise. Perhaps you do?

Sometimes I toss the tickets.

--
Binyamin Dissen
http://www.dissensoftware.com