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Why expand Heath Row and not Gatwick?
I listen to the BBC World Service quite a bit and I know of the desire
to build another runway. American Airlines recently switched, or is switching, all their flights from Gatwick to airport at Heath Row. Would any Britons in the group tell me why there should be a concentration there, as opposed to expanding Gatwick or one of the others? If the trouble is making connecting flights they should look at improving the 90 minute bus ride between the airports. Thanks, -- Dan Stephenson Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.: http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda (remove nospam from email address to reply via email) |
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Why expand Heath Row and not Gatwick?
"Dan Stephenson" kirjoitti viestissä:2009020609411116807-stephedanospam@maccom... I listen to the BBC World Service quite a bit and I know of the desire to build another runway. American Airlines recently switched, or is switching, all their flights from Gatwick to airport at Heath Row. Would any Britons in the group tell me why there should be a concentration there, as opposed to expanding Gatwick or one of the others? If the trouble is making connecting flights they should look at improving the 90 minute bus ride between the airports. I am not a Brit but *American Airlines* made a decision to relocate operations in London. What this has to do with *concentration* of anything by the British authority? |
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Why expand Heath Row and not Gatwick?
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:41:11 -0600, Dan Stephenson
mangled uncounted electrons thus: I listen to the BBC World Service quite a bit and I know of the desire to build another runway. American Airlines recently switched, or is switching, all their flights from Gatwick to airport at Heath Row. Would any Britons in the group tell me why there should be a concentration there, as opposed to expanding Gatwick or one of the others? If the trouble is making connecting flights they should look at improving the 90 minute bus ride between the airports. At the time of the last expansion to Gatwick in 1979 there was a legally binding agreement made with the local council that there would be no further expansion considered until 2019 at the earliest (the council remains opposed to any expansion even then). There has always been the intention to give Stansted a second runway (I saw the plans for this back in the late 1980s when the current terminal building was under construction) but transatlantic routes have a history of failure from this airport, which remains the UK home of Ryanair and their short-to-medium haul European operations. Whether the second runway will encourage new long-haul operations remains to be seen (but I rather doubt it). Luton remains relatively small. I don't believe that there is room for a second runway there and this site is likely to remain the home of Easyjet and various charter operators. Which leaves Heathrow (one word not two!). The current government has forced through the third runway and sixth terminal, although the Tories have stated that they will cancel the third runway if they are returned to power in the next general election (which must take place no later than IIRC May 2010). As it stands however the third runway is due to open in 2020... @_@ Martin D. Pay The problem of transfers between Heathrow and Gatwick is the M25... |
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Why expand Heath Row and not Gatwick?
"Dan Stephenson" wrote in message news:2009020609411116807-stephedanospam@maccom... I listen to the BBC World Service quite a bit and I know of the desire to build another runway. American Airlines recently switched, or is switching, all their flights from Gatwick to airport at Heath Row. Would any Britons in the group tell me why there should be a concentration there, as opposed to expanding Gatwick or one of the others? If the trouble is making connecting flights they should look at improving the 90 minute bus ride between the airports. Just about all the domestic feeder flights within the UK feed into Heathrow, so if you're out in the sticks (as we are) you get a flight to Heathrow and do your transfer there. Heathrow is notorious for losing baggage anyway, putting a Gatwick transfer in there as well just makes the whole thing a great deal more stressful. On the other hand Heathrow is always hell, these days we avoid the place. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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Why expand Heath Row and not Gatwick?
On Feb 6, 6:15*pm, Martin D. Pay
wrote: On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:41:11 -0600, Dan Stephenson mangled uncounted electrons thus: I listen to the BBC World Service quite a bit and I know of the desire to build another runway. American Airlines recently switched, or is switching, all their flights from Gatwick to airport at Heath Row. Would any Britons in the group tell me why there should be a concentration there, as opposed to expanding Gatwick or one of the others? *If the trouble is making connecting flights they should look at improving the 90 minute bus ride between the airports. At the time of the last expansion to Gatwick in 1979 there was a legally binding agreement made with the local council that there would be no further expansion considered until 2019 at the earliest (the council remains opposed to any expansion even then). There has always been the intention to give Stansted a second runway (I saw the plans for this back in the late 1980s when the current terminal building was under construction) but transatlantic routes have a history of failure from this airport, which remains the UK home of Ryanair and their short-to-medium haul European operations. Whether the second runway will encourage new long-haul operations remains to be seen (but I rather doubt it). Luton remains relatively small. I don't believe that there is room for a second runway there and this site is likely to remain the home of Easyjet and various charter operators. Which leaves Heathrow (one word not two!). The current government has forced through the third runway and sixth terminal, although the Tories have stated that they will cancel the third runway if they are returned to power in the next general election (which must take place no later than IIRC May 2010). As it stands however the third runway is due to open in 2020... *@_@ Martin D. Pay The problem of transfers between Heathrow and Gatwick is the M25... whats wrong with Northolt ? |
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Why expand Heath Row and not Gatwick?
"Martin D. Pay" wrote in message ... On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:41:11 -0600, Dan Stephenson mangled uncounted electrons thus: I listen to the BBC World Service quite a bit and I know of the desire to build another runway. American Airlines recently switched, or is switching, all their flights from Gatwick to airport at Heath Row. Would any Britons in the group tell me why there should be a concentration there, as opposed to expanding Gatwick or one of the others? If the trouble is making connecting flights they should look at improving the 90 minute bus ride between the airports. At the time of the last expansion to Gatwick in 1979 there was a legally binding agreement made with the local council that there would be no further expansion considered until 2019 at the earliest (the council remains opposed to any expansion even then). However, Parliament has the power to overturn the agreement and there have been rumours that may happen, to help BAA find a buyer for Gatwick. There has always been the intention to give Stansted a second runway (I saw the plans for this back in the late 1980s when the current terminal building was under construction) but transatlantic routes have a history of failure from this airport, which remains the UK home of Ryanair and their short-to-medium haul European operations. Whether the second runway will encourage new long-haul operations remains to be seen (but I rather doubt it). It is in the middle of nowhere and, unlike Gatwick, Heathrow and even Luton, it has very little natural chatchment population of its own. Luton remains relatively small. I don't believe that there is room for a second runway there and this site is likely to remain the home of Easyjet and various charter operators. The terrain is not suitable for expansion. The airport is on high ground and the existing runway is partly built on an embankment. Which leaves Heathrow (one word not two!). The village it is named after appears as Heath Row on old maps. The current government has forced through the third runway and sixth terminal, although the Tories have stated that they will cancel the third runway if they are returned to power in the next general election (which must take place no later than IIRC May 2010). As it stands however the third runway is due to open in 2020... @_@ Southend Corporation have always wanted to expand Southend airport, which, at one time, was the main freight airport for London. The road and rail links would not need a lot of upgrading to make it easily accessible from London, which would also benefit the town as a whole. Unfortunately, it has a church at one end of the runway and a main road at the other, so there would be problems extending it, although a tunnel might be an answer for the road. The other option discussed has been Manston / Kent International Airport. The runway is 3km long and very wide - it was built to allow three Vampire jets to take off simultaneously. However, the approach path would pass through an already fairly crowded bit of European airspace and would be on the same line as Heathrow. Colin Bignell |
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Why expand Heath Row and not Gatwick?
On Feb 7, 11:53*am, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk
wrote: Southend Corporation have always wanted to expand Southend airport, which, at one time, was the main freight airport for London. The road and rail links would not need a lot of upgrading to make it easily accessible from London, which would also benefit the town as a whole. Surely Stansted - which already has some of the infrastructure and is a little more accessible for the rest of the country in terms of location - would be a better option if it was decided to expand in Essex? |
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Why expand Heath Row and not Gatwick?
wrote in message ... On Feb 7, 11:53 am, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote: Southend Corporation have always wanted to expand Southend airport, which, at one time, was the main freight airport for London. The road and rail links would not need a lot of upgrading to make it easily accessible from London, which would also benefit the town as a whole. Surely Stansted - which already has some of the infrastructure and is a little more accessible for the rest of the country in terms of location - would be a better option if it was decided to expand in Essex? Is Stansted more accessible from anywhere else without passing through of near London? Perhaps from some parts of the East Coast, but I wouldn't have thought signifanctly more so than an improved Southend. However, while expanding Stansted would only improve the airport, expanding Southend would have wider benefits to the area, by making the holiday town much more accessible. Colin Bignell |
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Why expand Heath Row and not Gatwick?
"nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Feb 7, 11:53 am, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote: Southend Corporation have always wanted to expand Southend airport, which, at one time, was the main freight airport for London. The road and rail links would not need a lot of upgrading to make it easily accessible from London, which would also benefit the town as a whole. Surely Stansted - which already has some of the infrastructure and is a little more accessible for the rest of the country in terms of location - would be a better option if it was decided to expand in Essex? Is Stansted more accessible from anywhere else without passing through of near London? Perhaps from some parts of the East Coast, but I wouldn't have thought signifanctly more so than an improved Southend. If you live somewhere, anywhere, more than about 50 miles north of London then Stanstead is significantly easier to get to. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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Why expand Heath Row and not Gatwick?
On Feb 7, 3:44*pm, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk
wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 7, 11:53 am, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote: Southend Corporation have always wanted to expand Southend airport, which, at one time, was the main freight airport for London. The road and rail links would not need a lot of upgrading to make it easily accessible from London, which would also benefit the town as a whole. Surely Stansted - which already has some of the infrastructure and is a little more accessible for the rest of the country in terms of location - would be a better option if it was decided to expand in Essex? Is Stansted more accessible from anywhere else without passing through of near London? Perhaps from some parts of the East Coast, but I wouldn't have thought signifanctly more so than an improved Southend. However, while expanding Stansted would only improve the airport, expanding Southend would have wider benefits to the area, by making the holiday town much more accessible. Colin Bignell I suppose it depends whether one is primarily expecting the airport to serve London, or the rest of the country. From the rest-of-the-country POV Stansted has the M11 linking into the A1(M) (as well as the M25) plus the rail service through to Birmingham via Peterborough (major interchange point) and Leicester. Having said that - presumably if Southend were dramatically expanded, better road and rail links would follow. |
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