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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:13:54 -0700, miles wrote:
Deep Foiled Malls wrote: Exactly as the Republicans do. Uh, no. Hardly the same at all. Liberals vote to tax the crap out of the wealthy so they can give it away to others in a form of oppression and call it compassion. They see the wealthy as greedy and a bottomless pit for all their needs. Nice snipping there, miles. That's considered a pretty pathetic strategy getting yourself out of a knot on usenet. Allow me to re-itterate (and if you care to follow up to this, kindly DON'T snip the context out of what you said) You said: "The liberals give freely with other peoples money for any and all causes they see fit." Exactly the same as the Swedes, Chinese, and South Africans with their governments. And yes, EXACTLY the same as the Republicans. Care to name one government that does NOT do this? -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:17:09 -0700, miles wrote:
AJC wrote: They call people 'liberal' thinking it is an insult, which really is hilarious. Liberals hate being called what they are. They want to get rid of the word and use a meaningless word like progressive instead. Liberals are afraid of being called what they are. They defined themselves over the decades and now want to hide from it. That is what is hilarious. What is really hilarious is that you think the word "Liberal" actually means something. Now what's the Australian party in power that is adored by GWB? -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
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AJC wrote: Ugh, yes, I've been to Atlanta. I didn't enjoy it, but I'm glad I've seen it. Everyone should be exposed to such horrors at least once! Yeah it's a ghastly place. I really despise the South, too bad they don't secede so that the rest of the US can again rise to the level of a First World country... Georgia especially is a backwater. There is only one time in my life when I felt my life was in danger, it was about 30 years ago when I had to pull off the interstate in rural Jaw - ja to change a flat tyre. People were actually swerving to *hit* me and yelling "Yankee go home!" (they were tipped off by my Illinois licence plates). It really *is* like the film _Deliverance_ down there, except that the hillybillys in the movie have progressed to the point where they have real power and influence in this country, e.g. Newt Gingrich... SHUDDER/ People were cringing when Atlanta got the '96 Olympics. Gawd that was a whole big white trash fest... The South sucks up HUGE amounts of money from the rest of the country, it's mostly for pork barrel defense expenditures. So not only is the South a backwards place, but it is also sucking the lifeblood out of the more advanced parts of the country. -- Best Greg |
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Deep Foiled Malls wrote: And the existence of groups like Concerned Women for America sure doesn't help. http://www.cwfa.org/main.asp Note their tireless obsession with try to control how people have sex. One time I ran into one of these harridans on a flight. She asked what I did for a living. I smiled sweetly and said, "Oh, I run a gay male escort service in Chicago..."*. She froze, looked aghast and actually recoiled from my presence. She tried to move to another seat, but the flight was packed and she had to endure my presence for the duration. For added lagniappe I commenced reading my stash of gay magazines... When we deplaned she FLEW out of that seat like a bat from hell. I bet her face is *still* stuck in that sour expression from that incident with me...*LOL* :-) It's a real hoot to play around with these types, since they are so rigid and humourless; anyone or anything that doesn't comply with their turgid little life script REALLY discombobulates them... Of course their poor husbands are mostly the ones who are paying lots of money for high - priced call girls, sticking their gonads through glory holes at gay "bookstores", having affairs with sweet young thangs in the office, etc. Makes me laugh... [* Just so y'all know, I do not run a gay male escort service. :-( And I consider immediately asking a stranger "What do you do for a living?" to be incredibly rude and an intrusion. It's a particularly bad USAin habit...I might in future discuss my work life with a person I've just met if I have decided that I like them and that I want to have some kind of relationship with them. Otherwise it's none of their STINKIN' business. I'm friends with all types from judges to transvestite hookers...they are all kind people with good character, that is the thing that matters to me, not one's source of income...] -- Best Greg |
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"Bert Hyman" wrote in message om... snip Nope. But others are calling for much more than a "security check", being mostly concerned that he wasn't a "real" reporter, and didn't work for a "real" news service, and that he was producing "propaganda". I could make the same claims against Molly Ivins or Rush Limbaugh; would you deny them credentials merely because you don't like their questions? Now this is really interesting. I've never heard of Molly Ivins. However, Rush Limbaugh is NOT a journalist. I'll say it again, because it's critical: Rush Limbaugh is NOT a journalist. Even HE doesn't claim to be a journalist. He would NOT be entitled to a press credential, nor has he ever tried to obtain one. What I find particularly disturbing is that YOU don't understand the difference between a journalist and Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh doesn't report news. Pundits don't report news. Gannon, whatever he is, is not a journalist and doesn't report news. If you want news, read newspapers, listen to newsradio, or watch programs called "News" on most television networks (Fox has a lot of trouble separating opinion/editorials from news -- this, by the way, isn't simply my opinion, but is proven fact based on in-house memos that have been made public. This was reported by most of the news media, though, of course, not Fox). You do not get news from Rush Limbauh, Hannity, O'Reilly and the rest of that crew anymore than I would get news from John Stewart or Bill Mahr. Opinion is just opinon. Do you understand that? |
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PTravel wrote: "Bert Hyman" wrote in message om... snip Nope. But others are calling for much more than a "security check", being mostly concerned that he wasn't a "real" reporter, and didn't work for a "real" news service, and that he was producing "propaganda". I could make the same claims against Molly Ivins or Rush Limbaugh; would you deny them credentials merely because you don't like their questions? Now this is really interesting. I've never heard of Molly Ivins. However, Rush Limbaugh is NOT a journalist. I'll say it again, because it's critical: Rush Limbaugh is NOT a journalist. Even HE doesn't claim to be a journalist. He would NOT be entitled to a press credential, nor has he ever tried to obtain one. Molly Ivins OTOH is a credentialed journalist, she has written for many outlets over the years. These days she devotes herself to opinion pieces... Of course Limbaugh is an uneducated windbag, he can barely sign or sputter his own name, let alone carry on a coherent discussion of any issues... -- Best Greg |
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In article , PTravel
wrote: "Bert Hyman" wrote in message om... snip Nope. But others are calling for much more than a "security check", being mostly concerned that he wasn't a "real" reporter, and didn't work for a "real" news service, and that he was producing "propaganda". I could make the same claims against Molly Ivins or Rush Limbaugh; would you deny them credentials merely because you don't like their questions? Now this is really interesting. I've never heard of Molly Ivins. However, Rush Limbaugh is NOT a journalist. I'll say it again, because it's critical: Rush Limbaugh is NOT a journalist. Even HE doesn't claim to be a journalist. He would NOT be entitled to a press credential, nor has he ever tried to obtain one. How do you know this ? What I find particularly disturbing is that YOU don't understand the difference between a journalist and Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh doesn't report news. Pundits don't report news. Gannon, whatever he is, is not a journalist and doesn't report news. And neither does Helen Thomas, she is a NOT a reporter. If you want news, read newspapers, listen to newsradio, or watch programs called "News" on most television networks (Fox has a lot of trouble separating opinion/editorials from news -- this, by the way, isn't simply my opinion, but is proven fact based on in-house memos that have been made public. You seem to be the one confused between news and opinion. Fox airs a nightly News cast at 7pm EST... that is their News Hour... the rest of their shows are described as:Commentary/debate. In fact, when O'Reilly makes his 'commentary', that is what the 'crawler' says underneath him... something the Networks use to do... but haven't for decades. On the other hand, CNN spent some 10 years in Bagdad concealing the butcher's atrocities, BY AGREEMENT, so they could maintain a bureau their. jay Tue Feb 22, 2005 This was reported by most of the news media, though, of course, not Fox). You do not get news from Rush Limbauh, Hannity, O'Reilly and the rest of that crew anymore than I would get news from John Stewart or Bill Mahr. Opinion is just opinon. Do you understand that? |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:20:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net wrote: AJC wrote: How much of other people's money have the American republicans given so far to their cause of creating chaos in Iraq? Interesting to see that one of the results of that particular cause is that women in Iraq are now more afraid to go out on the streets as Bush's actions have led to an increase in the levels of murder and sexual abuse of women. It seems women are withdrawing from public life there. No surprise of course, Bush removed a secular police state to replace it with a chaos in which islamic fundamentalism has flourished. Hey maybe we can send your ex - Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers to Iraq to "investigate" the female situation... Yes, he's looking for a new job! --==++AJC++==-- |
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"Go Fig" wrote in message ... In article , PTravel wrote: "Bert Hyman" wrote in message om... snip Nope. But others are calling for much more than a "security check", being mostly concerned that he wasn't a "real" reporter, and didn't work for a "real" news service, and that he was producing "propaganda". I could make the same claims against Molly Ivins or Rush Limbaugh; would you deny them credentials merely because you don't like their questions? Now this is really interesting. I've never heard of Molly Ivins. However, Rush Limbaugh is NOT a journalist. I'll say it again, because it's critical: Rush Limbaugh is NOT a journalist. Even HE doesn't claim to be a journalist. He would NOT be entitled to a press credential, nor has he ever tried to obtain one. How do you know this ? That he hasn't tried to obtain one? I assume if he had and was refused he'd have made it public knowledge. That he's not a journalist? Even he has said so -- he's the first to admit that he's an entertainer, not a reporter. What I find particularly disturbing is that YOU don't understand the difference between a journalist and Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh doesn't report news. Pundits don't report news. Gannon, whatever he is, is not a journalist and doesn't report news. And neither does Helen Thomas, she is a NOT a reporter. According to you. Not according to Hearst Newspapers and United Press International (for whom she was White House Bureau Chief as well as a correspondent for 57 years). She was the first woman officer of the National Press Club and the first woman officer of the White House Correspondents Association. You're not seriously comparing Helen Thomas to Jeff Gannon, are you? If you want news, read newspapers, listen to newsradio, or watch programs called "News" on most television networks (Fox has a lot of trouble separating opinion/editorials from news -- this, by the way, isn't simply my opinion, but is proven fact based on in-house memos that have been made public. You seem to be the one confused between news and opinion. Fox airs a nightly News cast at 7pm EST... that is their News Hour... And, per the corporate memos which have been made public, the news that is reported, as well as the slant given to it, is dictated by Murdoch. See, for example, http://www.russbaker.com/CJR%20-%20Murdoch's%20Mean%20Machine,%20by%20Russ%20Baker .htm (an article from the Columbia Journalism Review). Fox can air whatever opinion pieces it wants. It is cynically irresponsible, however, to present opinion as "news." the rest of their shows are described as:Commentary/debate. In fact, when O'Reilly makes his 'commentary', that is what the 'crawler' says underneath him... something the Networks use to do... but haven't for decades. If Fox confined it's opinion programming to that which it labels "Commentary/Debate" I wouldn't have any objection. On the other hand, CNN spent some 10 years in Bagdad concealing the butcher's atrocities, BY AGREEMENT, so they could maintain a bureau their. And even CNN admits that this was a mistake. However, CNN's motivation was to maintain access to news, rather than to subvert public opinion -- quite different from Fox. My point remains the same, though. "Bert Hyman" thinks that Limbaugh is a journalist. You don't think that, do you? jay Tue Feb 22, 2005 This was reported by most of the news media, though, of course, not Fox). You do not get news from Rush Limbauh, Hannity, O'Reilly and the rest of that crew anymore than I would get news from John Stewart or Bill Mahr. Opinion is just opinon. Do you understand that? |
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In article , PTravel
wrote: "Go Fig" wrote in message ... In article , PTravel wrote: "Bert Hyman" wrote in message om... snip Nope. But others are calling for much more than a "security check", being mostly concerned that he wasn't a "real" reporter, and didn't work for a "real" news service, and that he was producing "propaganda". I could make the same claims against Molly Ivins or Rush Limbaugh; would you deny them credentials merely because you don't like their questions? Now this is really interesting. I've never heard of Molly Ivins. However, Rush Limbaugh is NOT a journalist. I'll say it again, because it's critical: Rush Limbaugh is NOT a journalist. Even HE doesn't claim to be a journalist. He would NOT be entitled to a press credential, nor has he ever tried to obtain one. How do you know this ? That he hasn't tried to obtain one? I assume if he had and was refused he'd have made it public knowledge. Perhaps, but you don't really know, but yet stated it as a fact. What if he got one, wouldn't it be reported like all the successful airplane landings that occurred today ? That he's not a journalist? Even he has said so -- he's the first to admit that he's an entertainer, not a reporter. What I find particularly disturbing is that YOU don't understand the difference between a journalist and Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh doesn't report news. Pundits don't report news. Gannon, whatever he is, is not a journalist and doesn't report news. And neither does Helen Thomas, she is a NOT a reporter. According to you. Not according to Hearst Newspapers If you continue to make clearly false statements, there is no point in continuing. She is NOT a reporter, and it clearly indicates that at the end of her columns: Helen Thomas is a columnist for Hearst Newspapers. E-mail: . Copyright 2004 Hearst Newspapers. LAST TIME: Helen Thomas is NOT a reporter. and United Press International (for whom she was White House Bureau Chief as well as a correspondent for 57 years). She was the first woman officer of the National Press Club and the first woman officer of the White House Correspondents Association. So what! When a Black Panther is born, it has spots. Her position NOW is that of a pundit, your failure to acknowledge this is very telling. You're not seriously comparing Helen Thomas to Jeff Gannon, are you? It is her own 'statements' in the White House Press Room that make that comparison. If you want news, read newspapers, listen to newsradio, or watch programs called "News" on most television networks (Fox has a lot of trouble separating opinion/editorials from news -- this, by the way, isn't simply my opinion, but is proven fact based on in-house memos that have been made public. You seem to be the one confused between news and opinion. Fox airs a nightly News cast at 7pm EST... that is their News Hour... And, per the corporate memos which have been made public, the news that is reported, as well as the slant given to it, is dictated by Murdoch. See, for example, http://www.russbaker.com/CJR%20-%20Murdoch's%20Mean%20Machine,%20by%20Russ%20B aker.htm (an article from the Columbia Journalism Review). And clearly from their Opinion section. BTW: is russbaker.com a News source ? Fox can air whatever opinion pieces it wants. It is cynically irresponsible, however, to present opinion as "news." Your gonna need something more than your "word" on it... in this thread alone, you have made false statements repeatedly. Please be specific about your comments on Fox's "Fox Report with Shepard Smith"! the rest of their shows are described as:Commentary/debate. In fact, when O'Reilly makes his 'commentary', that is what the 'crawler' says underneath him... something the Networks use to do... but haven't for decades. If Fox confined it's opinion programming to that which it labels "Commentary/Debate" I wouldn't have any objection. Please state your specific objection ! On the other hand, CNN spent some 10 years in Bagdad concealing the butcher's atrocities, BY AGREEMENT, so they could maintain a bureau their. And even CNN admits that this was a mistake. "And even" Good Grief ! However, CNN's motivation was to maintain access to news, what were they reporting, the weather ? rather than to subvert public opinion -- quite different from Fox. Nice unsubstantiated rhetoric. My point remains the same, though. "Bert Hyman" thinks that Limbaugh is a journalist. You don't think that, do you? He could be loosely described as a journalist, but what he is not, is a reporter. jay Tue Feb 22, 2005 This was reported by most of the news media, though, of course, not Fox). You do not get news from Rush Limbauh, Hannity, O'Reilly and the rest of that crew anymore than I would get news from John Stewart or Bill Mahr. Opinion is just opinon. Do you understand that? |
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