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GQ wrote:
Except that you hear more and more stories of servers who run after customers saying they did not leave a good enough tip. I've never experienced it here in Toronto, but I've heard of this on several occassions from different people, particularly from restaurants in New York. I wonder if this is becoming a trend. My mother saw it happen in St.Catharines. Marie's in Port Dalhousie :-) They had a horrible meal, cold soup, dirty cutlery, rude and sloppy service. A couple sitting near my mother and her friends left a very small tip and the waitress ran out to scream at them. The old guy gave her a blast right back, and my mother and her friends were able to avoid a similar confrontation even though they did not leave much of a tip either. |
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Juliana L Holm wrote:
already paying more for the meal. If you are leaving a 15% tip on an expensive meal it is already a bigger tip than you would be paying in a less expensive place. YMMV, of course. You may be paying a bigger tip, but you are usually getting more services. More water? More cutlery? More glasses? Generally, if you pay $6 for an appetizer, it involves the waitress taking your order and returning with the dish, the same amount of service you would get if the dish was priced at $12 or $20. You can get a drink for $3.95 in a cheap restaurant of $6.95 (or more) in a good place, and it doesn't involve anymore service, just a trip back and forth to the bar. Based on a flat 15% tip, the waitress is already making twice as much in tips because the items cost twice as much. You also clipped the key part of my post. That's because I responding specifically to you suggestion that one should leave a higher percentage tip when in an expensive restaurant. Generally, a 15% tip will be accepted as at least a minimal tip anywhere in the US, particularly when provided by a foreign tourist. It is customary in some areas and in some restaurants to leave more. Generally these are high end places where the server spends particularly more time with you (and therefore has fewer customers) or in more expensive markets (like here in Washington DC). They do? Who wants a waiter spending more time with them? ALl I want a waiter to do is to take my order and bring my food, check on me once in a while to see if I need anything else. I don't want them breathing over my shoulder. I am there with friends / family / associates, not to hobnob with the wait staff. But 15% will be accepted pretty much everywhere, and 20% will be considere a good tip everywhere, so anywhere in that range is just fine. Call me a cheap SOB, but if I am already paying 3-4 times as much for something because it is a special restaurant, or if they are simply over priced, then the service had better be bloody great just to get the 15% because I am already being gouged. |
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GQ wrote:
On 4/18/05 1:24 PM, wrote: There aren't any "laws" in this manner and one can tip about whatever they want, or not at all. Except that you hear more and more stories of servers who run after customers saying they did not leave a good enough tip. I've never experienced it here in Toronto, but I've heard of this on several occassions from different people, particularly from restaurants in New York. I wonder if this is becoming a trend. Have never heard of that. But if it is happening in the U.S., I'd blame the IRS as the cause: http://www.gastronomica.org/pages/sample4.2.html Basically, given a mix of cash and credit card (CC) payments to a restaurant, the IRS has used the average CC tip amounts to estimate the tips on the cash payments and expects taxes to be paid on it. If you, as a customer, pay by cash and undertip, the restaurant could be hit up for taxes by the IRS on income they never received. |
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Dave Smith wrote:
They do? Who wants a waiter spending more time with them? ALl I want a waiter to do is to take my order and bring my food, check on me once in a while to see if I need anything else. I don't want them breathing over my shoulder. I am there with friends / family / associates, not to hobnob with the wait staff. Then I suggest you avoid such restaurants. But 15% will be accepted pretty much everywhere, and 20% will be considere a good tip everywhere, so anywhere in that range is just fine. Call me a cheap SOB, but if I am already paying 3-4 times as much for something because it is a special restaurant, or if they are simply over priced, then the service had better be bloody great just to get the 15% because I am already being gouged. You're a cheap SOB. Don't go to such restaurants. You won't enjoy yourself, anyway. -- Julie ********** I could be wrong. My experience is limited to my experience. Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm |
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Juliana L Holm wrote:
They do? Who wants a waiter spending more time with them? ALl I want a waiter to do is to take my order and bring my food, check on me once in a while to see if I need anything else. I don't want them breathing over my shoulder. I am there with friends / family / associates, not to hobnob with the wait staff. Then I suggest you avoid such restaurants. ??? Why? Are those the reasons you go to restaurants? If I was dining out to make friends or meet clients it's not the wait staff that I am aiming for. I go for the food. Good service is part of the package. Maybe I should walk in and pull my pants down and see if the wait staff will kiss my ass. That seems to be the sort of treatment some people expect from waiters. Call me a cheap SOB, but if I am already paying 3-4 times as much for something because it is a special restaurant, or if they are simply over priced, then the service had better be bloody great just to get the 15% because I am already being gouged. You're a cheap SOB. Don't go to such restaurants. You won't enjoy yourself, anyway. Oh? Should I feel better about myself because I paid $10 for a drink that I could have got elsewhere for $4? Should I enjoy myself that I left a $2 tip instead of $1? Should it make me feel special because I can make people dance for my coins? When I go for dinner I tip. But I ain't no rube. I work hard for my money and I see no reason to be flaunting it my playing financial power games with people who wait on tables because they can't find a better job than that. |
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On 4/18/05 2:51 PM, Jim Logajan wrote:
http://www.gastronomica.org/pages/sample4.2.html Basically, given a mix of cash and credit card (CC) payments to a restaurant, the IRS has used the average CC tip amounts to estimate the tips on the cash payments and expects taxes to be paid on it. If you, as a customer, pay by cash and undertip, the restaurant could be hit up for taxes by the IRS on income they never received. Well..never heard of that...if that's the case, I think that's the first reasonable explanation I've heard of why someone would be that P.O. about being under-tipped... I noticed that in a couple of restaurants in Chicago and in Boston and in Hawaii, there were some restaurants automatically adding in the gratuity to the bill, even though its just 2 or 3 people dining (I know this is standard practice for large groups). Maybe this is to ensure that patrons don't undertipped and also discourage people from overtipping??? |
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On 4/18/05 2:51 PM, Jim Logajan wrote:
http://www.gastronomica.org/pages/sample4.2.html Basically, given a mix of cash and credit card (CC) payments to a restaurant, the IRS has used the average CC tip amounts to estimate the tips on the cash payments and expects taxes to be paid on it. If you, as a customer, pay by cash and undertip, the restaurant could be hit up for taxes by the IRS on income they never received. Well..never heard of that...if that's the case, I think that's the first reasonable explanation I've heard of why someone would be that P.O. about being under-tipped... I noticed that in a couple of restaurants in Chicago and in Boston and in Hawaii, there were some restaurants automatically adding in the gratuity to the bill, even though its just 2 or 3 people dining (I know this is standard practice for large groups). Maybe this is to ensure that patrons don't undertipped and also discourage people from overtipping??? |
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GQ wrote: On 4/18/05 1:24 PM, wrote: There aren't any "laws" in this manner and one can tip about whatever they want, or not at all. Except that you hear more and more stories of servers who run after customers saying they did not leave a good enough tip. I've never experienced it here in Toronto, but I've heard of this on several occassions from different people, particularly from restaurants in New York. I wonder if this is becoming a trend. If you leave a notibly substandard gratuity, and don't explain to someone (the manager, host, server, somebody) why, you might get some sort of reaction. Best to inform someone what's going on. |
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GQ wrote: On 4/18/05 1:24 PM, wrote: There aren't any "laws" in this manner and one can tip about whatever they want, or not at all. Except that you hear more and more stories of servers who run after customers saying they did not leave a good enough tip. I've never experienced it here in Toronto, but I've heard of this on several occassions from different people, particularly from restaurants in New York. I wonder if this is becoming a trend. If you leave a notibly substandard gratuity, and don't explain to someone (the manager, host, server, somebody) why, you might get some sort of reaction. Best to inform someone what's going on. |
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Dave Smith wrote: Juliana L Holm wrote: [snip] You're a cheap SOB. Don't go to such restaurants. You won't enjoy yourself, anyway. Oh? Should I feel better about myself because I paid $10 for a drink that I could have got elsewhere for $4? Should I enjoy myself that I left a $2 tip instead of $1? Should it make me feel special because I can make people dance for my coins? When I go for dinner I tip. But I ain't no rube. I work hard for my money and I see no reason to be flaunting it my playing financial power games with people who wait on tables because they can't find a better job than that. I fail to see why you would patronize a restaurant you think is grossly overcharging you. The servers work hard for their money too. If you don't want to pay for what you receive, don't go there. |
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