Flying to Singapore With Baby

Thanks Jan.

Apparently they have 4 seats on the plan that can accomodate a floor
bassinet (not including bulkhead). However, they are not assigned
until you check-in at the airport. In other words, our seats may be
changed I guess.

Anyone else have experience with this?

"Viviane" wrote in message
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One tip we received when travelling with our daughter when she was a
baby - if the bulk head seats are taken by people without a baby (in
Australia they are often given to full fare paying passengers - usually
travelling for work) and the flight attendant won't ask if they will swap,
go up and ask if you can leave the baby in the bassinet, tell them where
you are sitting and ask them to let you know if the baby wakes up. In our
experience they have been packing up their stuff before we finished
asking!

Bulkhead seats on UA are generally in Economy Plus, and are reserved for UA
elite frequent flyers and those who pay extra to sit in E+. I'd consider
your "strategy" the height of inconsideration and rudeness and, needless to
say, it would earn you a rather short refusal from me and, if you persisted,
a discussion with the purser about why bothering other passengers is frowned
upon on UA. Parents should plan enough ahead to ensure that their needs and
the needs of their child will be met without imposing on anyone else and,
particularly, without demanding such an imposition as an entitlement.

As we used to say in the aerospace industry:

"The lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on
mine."

Book bulkheads seats if you need the space for your child. If bulkhead
seats are not available on a given flight, pick another flight.

"Jan" wrote in message
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WonderingDaddy wrote:
Thanks all.

Pied Piper,

I was asking about the floor bassinet. UAL has wall bassinets for the
bulk head seats and floor bassinets for other areas.

Does anyone know abou the floor bassinets?

Right now, we are the rear of the plane (about 3 rows from the back).
I kind of like this idea since we can take the baby to the back for
some floor time. She will about 8 months when we go this summer.


Floor Bassinets- seems strange. They must, for safety reasons fix to
something. They can't go in the aisles- safety again. They can't go in
front of exit row seats- safety again.

How can they go on the floor between seats?- lets face it unless you're
flying first class, there's hardly enough room for your own feet.

Mind you, We flew to the States a couple of years ago on United, I was sat
( Orlando-Chicago ) next to a lady with baby about a year old, I was
horrified to discover she had not been given a lap belt for her baby,
when I asked her about it, she said she'd never ever been given a belt on
any previous flights either !!! So perhaps Uniteds Safety rules are lower
than other airlines I've flown on.

The FAA in the U.S. does not permit use of belts for lap children.


Jan

PTravel wrote:
"Jan" wrote in message
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WonderingDaddy wrote:
Thanks all.

Pied Piper,

I was asking about the floor bassinet. UAL has wall bassinets for
the bulk head seats and floor bassinets for other areas.

Does anyone know abou the floor bassinets?

Right now, we are the rear of the plane (about 3 rows from the
back). I kind of like this idea since we can take the baby to the
back for some floor time. She will about 8 months when we go this
summer.


Floor Bassinets- seems strange. They must, for safety reasons fix to
something. They can't go in the aisles- safety again. They can't go
in front of exit row seats- safety again.

How can they go on the floor between seats?- lets face it unless
you're flying first class, there's hardly enough room for your own
feet. Mind you, We flew to the States a couple of years ago on United, I
was sat ( Orlando-Chicago ) next to a lady with baby about a year
old, I was horrified to discover she had not been given a lap belt
for her baby, when I asked her about it, she said she'd never ever
been given a belt on any previous flights either !!! So perhaps
Uniteds Safety rules are lower than other airlines I've flown on.

The FAA in the U.S. does not permit use of belts for lap children.


Jan


So what happens? Do they fly around the cabin during turbulance? What
about take off and landing?

Jan

"Jan" wrote in message
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PTravel wrote:
"Jan" wrote in message
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WonderingDaddy wrote:
Thanks all.

Pied Piper,

I was asking about the floor bassinet. UAL has wall bassinets for
the bulk head seats and floor bassinets for other areas.

Does anyone know abou the floor bassinets?

Right now, we are the rear of the plane (about 3 rows from the
back). I kind of like this idea since we can take the baby to the
back for some floor time. She will about 8 months when we go this
summer.


Floor Bassinets- seems strange. They must, for safety reasons fix to
something. They can't go in the aisles- safety again. They can't go
in front of exit row seats- safety again.

How can they go on the floor between seats?- lets face it unless
you're flying first class, there's hardly enough room for your own
feet. Mind you, We flew to the States a couple of years ago on United, I
was sat ( Orlando-Chicago ) next to a lady with baby about a year
old, I was horrified to discover she had not been given a lap belt
for her baby, when I asked her about it, she said she'd never ever
been given a belt on any previous flights either !!! So perhaps
Uniteds Safety rules are lower than other airlines I've flown on.

The FAA in the U.S. does not permit use of belts for lap children.


Jan


So what happens? Do they fly around the cabin during turbulance? What
about take off and landing?

Jan

They fly around the cabin in turbulence and in crashes -- at least one
infant died that way in an otherwise survivable crash. Many parents use
approved car seats and purchase a seat for the children.

PTravel wrote:
"Jan" wrote in message
...
PTravel wrote:
"Jan" wrote in message
...
WonderingDaddy wrote:
Thanks all.

Pied Piper,

I was asking about the floor bassinet. UAL has wall bassinets for
the bulk head seats and floor bassinets for other areas.

Does anyone know abou the floor bassinets?

Right now, we are the rear of the plane (about 3 rows from the
back). I kind of like this idea since we can take the baby to the
back for some floor time. She will about 8 months when we go this
summer.


Floor Bassinets- seems strange. They must, for safety reasons fix
to something. They can't go in the aisles- safety again. They
can't go in front of exit row seats- safety again.

How can they go on the floor between seats?- lets face it unless
you're flying first class, there's hardly enough room for your own
feet. Mind you, We flew to the States a couple of years ago on
United, I was sat ( Orlando-Chicago ) next to a lady with baby
about a year old, I was horrified to discover she had not been given a
lap belt
for her baby, when I asked her about it, she said she'd never ever
been given a belt on any previous flights either !!! So perhaps
Uniteds Safety rules are lower than other airlines I've flown on.

The FAA in the U.S. does not permit use of belts for lap children.


Jan


So what happens? Do they fly around the cabin during turbulance? What
about take off and landing?

Jan

They fly around the cabin in turbulence and in crashes -- at least one
infant died that way in an otherwise survivable crash. Many parents
use approved car seats and purchase a seat for the children.


Do you know what the reasoning is on why they don't allow lap belts?
I'm wondering what sort of damage a 20lb child flying through the cabin
could do? :-(
Jan

"Jan" wrote in message
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PTravel wrote:
"Jan" wrote in message
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PTravel wrote:
"Jan" wrote in message
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WonderingDaddy wrote:
Thanks all.

Pied Piper,

I was asking about the floor bassinet. UAL has wall bassinets for
the bulk head seats and floor bassinets for other areas.

Does anyone know abou the floor bassinets?

Right now, we are the rear of the plane (about 3 rows from the
back). I kind of like this idea since we can take the baby to the
back for some floor time. She will about 8 months when we go this
summer.


Floor Bassinets- seems strange. They must, for safety reasons fix
to something. They can't go in the aisles- safety again. They
can't go in front of exit row seats- safety again.

How can they go on the floor between seats?- lets face it unless
you're flying first class, there's hardly enough room for your own
feet. Mind you, We flew to the States a couple of years ago on
United, I was sat ( Orlando-Chicago ) next to a lady with baby
about a year old, I was horrified to discover she had not been given
a lap belt
for her baby, when I asked her about it, she said she'd never ever
been given a belt on any previous flights either !!! So perhaps
Uniteds Safety rules are lower than other airlines I've flown on.

The FAA in the U.S. does not permit use of belts for lap children.


Jan


So what happens? Do they fly around the cabin during turbulance? What
about take off and landing?

Jan

They fly around the cabin in turbulence and in crashes -- at least one
infant died that way in an otherwise survivable crash. Many parents
use approved car seats and purchase a seat for the children.


Do you know what the reasoning is on why they don't allow lap belts?

I really have no idea. I'm not a parent, so I've never paid close attention
to this, other than to know that belts for lap children aren't permitted.
From what I understand, the FAA is also pretty particular about what kind of
car seats can be used, i.e. ones that are certified for use in automobiles
may not necessarily also be FAA-approved for use on a plane.


I'm wondering what sort of damage a 20lb child flying through the cabin
could do? :-(

I'd suspect about the same damage as a bowling ball -- not a good situation
for anyone, least of all the baby.


Jan

Gosh why do I keep forgetting that Yanks have no sense of humour!

I hardly think that asking once would constitute harassment. Surprisingly,
most people are happy to oblige - a quiet trip usually seems better than one
with a screaming child. The only thing worse would be to sit next to a
humourless Yank on a long haul flight - give me the screaming kid any day!

"PTravel" wrote in message
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"Viviane" wrote in message
news
One tip we received when travelling with our daughter when she was a
baby - if the bulk head seats are taken by people without a baby (in
Australia they are often given to full fare paying passengers - usually
travelling for work) and the flight attendant won't ask if they will
swap, go up and ask if you can leave the baby in the bassinet, tell them
where you are sitting and ask them to let you know if the baby wakes up.
In our experience they have been packing up their stuff before we
finished asking!

Bulkhead seats on UA are generally in Economy Plus, and are reserved for
UA elite frequent flyers and those who pay extra to sit in E+. I'd
consider your "strategy" the height of inconsideration and rudeness and,
needless to say, it would earn you a rather short refusal from me and, if
you persisted, a discussion with the purser about why bothering other
passengers is frowned upon on UA. Parents should plan enough ahead to
ensure that their needs and the needs of their child will be met without
imposing on anyone else and, particularly, without demanding such an
imposition as an entitlement.

As we used to say in the aerospace industry:

"The lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on
mine."

Book bulkheads seats if you need the space for your child. If bulkhead
seats are not available on a given flight, pick another flight.

Don't hold back - tell us what you really think! That was an attempt at
humour - just thought I'd let you know since you obviously wouldn't
recognise humour if it bit you on the backside!

BTW, don't forget to read the ugly yanks guide to travel your government had
to put out - we've had a good laugh in the media here. I reckon it would
easier to teach a pig to sing than educate the average yank.

"PTravel" wrote in message
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"Viviane" wrote in message
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Gosh why do I keep forgetting that Yanks have no sense of humour!

I don't speak for all Yanks (and, apparently, xenophobia is another of
your traits). However, there was nothing remotely humerous about your
post.


I hardly think that asking once would constitute harassment.

Panhandling isn't harassment, either.

You don't seem to understand that people who are sitting in premium seats
have EARNED the right to be there, at the cost of miles, loyalty or money.
Why don't you go up to the first class section and ask someone to switch
to a coach seat for you ? There is absolutely no difference.


Surprisingly, most people are happy to oblige - a quiet trip usually
seems better than one with a screaming child.

If your child screams, then you are doubly discourteous taking it on-board
a long haul or red-eye in the first place. Not surprisingly, extortion is
often effective. Don't confuse that with willingness to oblige on the
part of your victims.

Or is that more "humor" on your part?


The only thing worse would be to sit next to a humourless Yank on a long
haul flight - give me the screaming kid any day!

Please, do take your screaming kid and sit somewhere else. On behalf of
humorless Yanks, thank you!


"PTravel" wrote in message
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"Viviane" wrote in message
news One tip we received when travelling with our daughter when she was a
baby - if the bulk head seats are taken by people without a baby (in
Australia they are often given to full fare paying passengers - usually
travelling for work) and the flight attendant won't ask if they will
swap, go up and ask if you can leave the baby in the bassinet, tell
them where you are sitting and ask them to let you know if the baby
wakes up. In our experience they have been packing up their stuff
before we finished asking!

Bulkhead seats on UA are generally in Economy Plus, and are reserved for
UA elite frequent flyers and those who pay extra to sit in E+. I'd
consider your "strategy" the height of inconsideration and rudeness and,
needless to say, it would earn you a rather short refusal from me and,
if you persisted, a discussion with the purser about why bothering other
passengers is frowned upon on UA. Parents should plan enough ahead to
ensure that their needs and the needs of their child will be met without
imposing on anyone else and, particularly, without demanding such an
imposition as an entitlement.

As we used to say in the aerospace industry:

"The lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on
mine."

Book bulkheads seats if you need the space for your child. If bulkhead
seats are not available on a given flight, pick another flight.

"Viviane" wrote in message
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Don't hold back - tell us what you really think! That was an attempt at
humour - just thought I'd let you know since you obviously wouldn't
recognise humour if it bit you on the backside!

Go ahead -- point out the humor in your post.


BTW, don't forget to read the ugly yanks guide to travel your government
had to put out - we've had a good laugh in the media here. I reckon it
would easier to teach a pig to sing than educate the average yank.

Oh, I think you're absolutely right. You wouldn't like it here at all.
Just a bunch of Americans who think self-centered, entitlement-demanding
parents of shrieking infants aren't particularly funny . . . or charming.
Stay in Australia. Please.


"PTravel" wrote in message
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"Viviane" wrote in message
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Gosh why do I keep forgetting that Yanks have no sense of humour!

I don't speak for all Yanks (and, apparently, xenophobia is another of
your traits). However, there was nothing remotely humerous about your
post.


I hardly think that asking once would constitute harassment.

Panhandling isn't harassment, either.

You don't seem to understand that people who are sitting in premium seats
have EARNED the right to be there, at the cost of miles, loyalty or
money. Why don't you go up to the first class section and ask someone to
switch to a coach seat for you ? There is absolutely no difference.


Surprisingly, most people are happy to oblige - a quiet trip usually
seems better than one with a screaming child.

If your child screams, then you are doubly discourteous taking it
on-board a long haul or red-eye in the first place. Not surprisingly,
extortion is often effective. Don't confuse that with willingness to
oblige on the part of your victims.

Or is that more "humor" on your part?


The only thing worse would be to sit next to a humourless Yank on a
long haul flight - give me the screaming kid any day!

Please, do take your screaming kid and sit somewhere else. On behalf of
humorless Yanks, thank you!


"PTravel" wrote in message
...

"Viviane" wrote in message
news One tip we received when travelling with our daughter when she was a
baby - if the bulk head seats are taken by people without a baby (in
Australia they are often given to full fare paying passengers -
usually travelling for work) and the flight attendant won't ask if
they will swap, go up and ask if you can leave the baby in the
bassinet, tell them where you are sitting and ask them to let you know
if the baby wakes up. In our experience they have been packing up
their stuff before we finished asking!

Bulkhead seats on UA are generally in Economy Plus, and are reserved
for UA elite frequent flyers and those who pay extra to sit in E+.
I'd consider your "strategy" the height of inconsideration and rudeness
and, needless to say, it would earn you a rather short refusal from me
and, if you persisted, a discussion with the purser about why bothering
other passengers is frowned upon on UA. Parents should plan enough
ahead to ensure that their needs and the needs of their child will be
met without imposing on anyone else and, particularly, without
demanding such an imposition as an entitlement.

As we used to say in the aerospace industry:

"The lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on
mine."

Book bulkheads seats if you need the space for your child. If bulkhead
seats are not available on a given flight, pick another flight.