Flying to Singapore With Baby

That's not the sort of gratitude I expect towards someone in a country that
has supported yours in an illegitimate war to keep your oversized cars full
of petrol!

"PTravel" wrote in message
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"Viviane" wrote in message
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Don't hold back - tell us what you really think! That was an attempt at
humour - just thought I'd let you know since you obviously wouldn't
recognise humour if it bit you on the backside!

Go ahead -- point out the humor in your post.


BTW, don't forget to read the ugly yanks guide to travel your government
had to put out - we've had a good laugh in the media here. I reckon it
would easier to teach a pig to sing than educate the average yank.

Oh, I think you're absolutely right. You wouldn't like it here at all.
Just a bunch of Americans who think self-centered, entitlement-demanding
parents of shrieking infants aren't particularly funny . . . or charming.
Stay in Australia. Please.


"PTravel" wrote in message
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"Viviane" wrote in message
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Gosh why do I keep forgetting that Yanks have no sense of humour!

I don't speak for all Yanks (and, apparently, xenophobia is another of
your traits). However, there was nothing remotely humerous about your
post.


I hardly think that asking once would constitute harassment.

Panhandling isn't harassment, either.

You don't seem to understand that people who are sitting in premium
seats have EARNED the right to be there, at the cost of miles, loyalty
or money. Why don't you go up to the first class section and ask someone
to switch to a coach seat for you ? There is absolutely no difference.


Surprisingly, most people are happy to oblige - a quiet trip usually
seems better than one with a screaming child.

If your child screams, then you are doubly discourteous taking it
on-board a long haul or red-eye in the first place. Not surprisingly,
extortion is often effective. Don't confuse that with willingness to
oblige on the part of your victims.

Or is that more "humor" on your part?


The only thing worse would be to sit next to a humourless Yank on a
long haul flight - give me the screaming kid any day!

Please, do take your screaming kid and sit somewhere else. On behalf of
humorless Yanks, thank you!


"PTravel" wrote in message
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"Viviane" wrote in message
news One tip we received when travelling with our daughter when she was a
baby - if the bulk head seats are taken by people without a baby (in
Australia they are often given to full fare paying passengers -
usually travelling for work) and the flight attendant won't ask if
they will swap, go up and ask if you can leave the baby in the
bassinet, tell them where you are sitting and ask them to let you
know if the baby wakes up. In our experience they have been packing
up their stuff before we finished asking!

Bulkhead seats on UA are generally in Economy Plus, and are reserved
for UA elite frequent flyers and those who pay extra to sit in E+. I'd
consider your "strategy" the height of inconsideration and rudeness
and, needless to say, it would earn you a rather short refusal from me
and, if you persisted, a discussion with the purser about why
bothering other passengers is frowned upon on UA. Parents should plan
enough ahead to ensure that their needs and the needs of their child
will be met without imposing on anyone else and, particularly, without
demanding such an imposition as an entitlement.

As we used to say in the aerospace industry:

"The lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on
mine."

Book bulkheads seats if you need the space for your child. If
bulkhead seats are not available on a given flight, pick another
flight.

"Viviane" wrote in message
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That's not the sort of gratitude I expect towards someone in a country
that has supported yours in an illegitimate war to keep your oversized
cars full of petrol!

I see you are as ignorant of world politics as your are of common courtesy.

Bush was elected by the barest of majorities, and received the most votes
against him of any U.S. president. The majority of Americans do not favor
the war in Iraq, and close to 70% of Americans disapprove of Bush and the
job that he has been doing.

Of course, in your world view, all Americans think the same.



"PTravel" wrote in message
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"Viviane" wrote in message
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Don't hold back - tell us what you really think! That was an attempt at
humour - just thought I'd let you know since you obviously wouldn't
recognise humour if it bit you on the backside!

Go ahead -- point out the humor in your post.


BTW, don't forget to read the ugly yanks guide to travel your government
had to put out - we've had a good laugh in the media here. I reckon it
would easier to teach a pig to sing than educate the average yank.

Oh, I think you're absolutely right. You wouldn't like it here at all.
Just a bunch of Americans who think self-centered, entitlement-demanding
parents of shrieking infants aren't particularly funny . . . or charming.
Stay in Australia. Please.


"PTravel" wrote in message
...

"Viviane" wrote in message
...
Gosh why do I keep forgetting that Yanks have no sense of humour!

I don't speak for all Yanks (and, apparently, xenophobia is another of
your traits). However, there was nothing remotely humerous about your
post.


I hardly think that asking once would constitute harassment.

Panhandling isn't harassment, either.

You don't seem to understand that people who are sitting in premium
seats have EARNED the right to be there, at the cost of miles, loyalty
or money. Why don't you go up to the first class section and ask
someone to switch to a coach seat for you ? There is absolutely no
difference.


Surprisingly, most people are happy to oblige - a quiet trip usually
seems better than one with a screaming child.

If your child screams, then you are doubly discourteous taking it
on-board a long haul or red-eye in the first place. Not surprisingly,
extortion is often effective. Don't confuse that with willingness to
oblige on the part of your victims.

Or is that more "humor" on your part?


The only thing worse would be to sit next to a humourless Yank on a
long haul flight - give me the screaming kid any day!

Please, do take your screaming kid and sit somewhere else. On behalf
of humorless Yanks, thank you!


"PTravel" wrote in message
...

"Viviane" wrote in message
news One tip we received when travelling with our daughter when she was a
baby - if the bulk head seats are taken by people without a baby (in
Australia they are often given to full fare paying passengers -
usually travelling for work) and the flight attendant won't ask if
they will swap, go up and ask if you can leave the baby in the
bassinet, tell them where you are sitting and ask them to let you
know if the baby wakes up. In our experience they have been packing
up their stuff before we finished asking!

Bulkhead seats on UA are generally in Economy Plus, and are reserved
for UA elite frequent flyers and those who pay extra to sit in E+.
I'd consider your "strategy" the height of inconsideration and
rudeness and, needless to say, it would earn you a rather short
refusal from me and, if you persisted, a discussion with the purser
about why bothering other passengers is frowned upon on UA. Parents
should plan enough ahead to ensure that their needs and the needs of
their child will be met without imposing on anyone else and,
particularly, without demanding such an imposition as an entitlement.

As we used to say in the aerospace industry:

"The lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency
on mine."

Book bulkheads seats if you need the space for your child. If
bulkhead seats are not available on a given flight, pick another
flight.

Wrong! I assume most yanks wouldn't know how to think.

"PTravel" wrote in message
. com...

"Viviane" wrote in message
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That's not the sort of gratitude I expect towards someone in a country
that has supported yours in an illegitimate war to keep your oversized
cars full of petrol!

I see you are as ignorant of world politics as your are of common
courtesy.

Bush was elected by the barest of majorities, and received the most votes
against him of any U.S. president. The majority of Americans do not favor
the war in Iraq, and close to 70% of Americans disapprove of Bush and the
job that he has been doing.

Of course, in your world view, all Americans think the same.



"PTravel" wrote in message
...

"Viviane" wrote in message
...
Don't hold back - tell us what you really think! That was an attempt
at humour - just thought I'd let you know since you obviously wouldn't
recognise humour if it bit you on the backside!

Go ahead -- point out the humor in your post.


BTW, don't forget to read the ugly yanks guide to travel your
government had to put out - we've had a good laugh in the media here.
I reckon it would easier to teach a pig to sing than educate the
average yank.

Oh, I think you're absolutely right. You wouldn't like it here at all.
Just a bunch of Americans who think self-centered, entitlement-demanding
parents of shrieking infants aren't particularly funny . . . or
charming. Stay in Australia. Please.


"PTravel" wrote in message
...

"Viviane" wrote in message
...
Gosh why do I keep forgetting that Yanks have no sense of humour!

I don't speak for all Yanks (and, apparently, xenophobia is another of
your traits). However, there was nothing remotely humerous about your
post.


I hardly think that asking once would constitute harassment.

Panhandling isn't harassment, either.

You don't seem to understand that people who are sitting in premium
seats have EARNED the right to be there, at the cost of miles, loyalty
or money. Why don't you go up to the first class section and ask
someone to switch to a coach seat for you ? There is absolutely no
difference.


Surprisingly, most people are happy to oblige - a quiet trip usually
seems better than one with a screaming child.

If your child screams, then you are doubly discourteous taking it
on-board a long haul or red-eye in the first place. Not surprisingly,
extortion is often effective. Don't confuse that with willingness to
oblige on the part of your victims.

Or is that more "humor" on your part?


The only thing worse would be to sit next to a humourless Yank on a
long haul flight - give me the screaming kid any day!

Please, do take your screaming kid and sit somewhere else. On behalf
of humorless Yanks, thank you!


"PTravel" wrote in message
...

"Viviane" wrote in message
news One tip we received when travelling with our daughter when she was
a baby - if the bulk head seats are taken by people without a baby
(in Australia they are often given to full fare paying passengers -
usually travelling for work) and the flight attendant won't ask if
they will swap, go up and ask if you can leave the baby in the
bassinet, tell them where you are sitting and ask them to let you
know if the baby wakes up. In our experience they have been packing
up their stuff before we finished asking!

Bulkhead seats on UA are generally in Economy Plus, and are reserved
for UA elite frequent flyers and those who pay extra to sit in E+.
I'd consider your "strategy" the height of inconsideration and
rudeness and, needless to say, it would earn you a rather short
refusal from me and, if you persisted, a discussion with the purser
about why bothering other passengers is frowned upon on UA. Parents
should plan enough ahead to ensure that their needs and the needs of
their child will be met without imposing on anyone else and,
particularly, without demanding such an imposition as an
entitlement.

As we used to say in the aerospace industry:

"The lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency
on mine."

Book bulkheads seats if you need the space for your child. If
bulkhead seats are not available on a given flight, pick another
flight.

Viviane wrote:

Wrong! I assume most yanks wouldn't know how to think.

Gyollleee! Where do you get that biting wit? Yes ma'am.....when you need
deep thinkin', look up an Aussie.

In article ,
says...

Bush was elected by the barest of majorities, and received the most votes
against him of any U.S. president. The majority of Americans do not favor
the war in Iraq,

When the war started, a majority were in favour of it (otherwise there
would have never been a war against Iraq). Some were even thinking Iraq
had to be punished for Sept. 11th.
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - 7000 photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

"Alfred Molon" kirjoitti
s.com...
In article ,
says...

Bush was elected by the barest of majorities, and received the most votes
against him of any U.S. president. The majority of Americans do not
favor
the war in Iraq,

When the war started, a majority were in favour of it (otherwise there
would have never been a war against Iraq). Some were even thinking Iraq
had to be punished for Sept. 11th.
--
I recall lots of blather from the other side of the pond tooking place when
Germany and France did not provide direct military support. "Let's boycott
everything French" they said. They "devided" Europe as "old" and "new" (new
being relatively poor Eastern European countries which are/were more
inclined to lick brown bits from the American arse). Lots of remarks were
made on "ungrateful" Frenchmen: Americans freed the country in mid 1940's
and now Frenchmen stab Americans on their backs.

Perhaps it is worth noting here that the contemporary president in the USA
secured the post a few years ago only because his younger brother opened the
ballot boxes and "counted" the votes in the Sunshine State. Josif
Vissarionovits kept saying that the most popular candidate don't take the
seat but the one who counts the votes.

Please do. However just because I live here doesn't mean that I am one.
We're a bit brighter than that here - we don't make assumptions.

"Stuart Hofmann" wrote in message
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Viviane wrote:

Wrong! I assume most yanks wouldn't know how to think.

Gyollleee! Where do you get that biting wit? Yes ma'am.....when you need
deep thinkin', look up an Aussie.

"Alfred Molon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

Bush was elected by the barest of majorities, and received the most votes
against him of any U.S. president. The majority of Americans do not
favor
the war in Iraq,

When the war started, a majority were in favour of it (otherwise there
would have never been a war against Iraq). Some were even thinking Iraq
had to be punished for Sept. 11th.

True, but. . .

In the beginning, people believed Bush's lies about WMDs. There are poll
figures here, which paint an interesting picture.
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

As for the 9/11 connection, there are a lot of ill-informed and just plain
stupid people in the U.S. (Bush was elected twice -- more or less).
However, the number of people who believed there was 9/11 connection was
never close to a majority:
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/har...ex.asp?PID=508


--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - 7000 photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

Viviane wrote:
Please do. However just because I live here doesn't mean that I am one.
We're a bit brighter than that here - we don't make assumptions.


You're "a bit brighter", are you, than to make assumptions? You barely
finished saying, "I assume most yanks wouldn't know how to think." Go
stand in the corner.
-S-

In article , PTravel
wrote:

€ "Jan" wrote in message
€ ...
€ WonderingDaddy wrote:
€ Thanks all.
€
€ Pied Piper,
€
€ I was asking about the floor bassinet. UAL has wall bassinets for the
€ bulk head seats and floor bassinets for other areas.
€
€ Does anyone know abou the floor bassinets?
€
€ Right now, we are the rear of the plane (about 3 rows from the back).
€ I kind of like this idea since we can take the baby to the back for
€ some floor time. She will about 8 months when we go this summer.
€
€
€ Floor Bassinets- seems strange. They must, for safety reasons fix to
€ something. They can't go in the aisles- safety again. They can't go in
€ front of exit row seats- safety again.
€
€ How can they go on the floor between seats?- lets face it unless you're
€ flying first class, there's hardly enough room for your own feet.
€
€ Mind you, We flew to the States a couple of years ago on United, I was sat
€ ( Orlando-Chicago ) next to a lady with baby about a year old, I was
€ horrified to discover she had not been given a lap belt for her baby,
€ when I asked her about it, she said she'd never ever been given a belt on
€ any previous flights either !!! So perhaps Uniteds Safety rules are lower
€ than other airlines I've flown on.
€
€ The FAA in the U.S. does not permit use of belts for lap children.
€

I'm not sure if this is true. On a Singapore Air flight into LAX
yesterday, a woman belted into a seat across the asile from me with her
baby using a dual seatbelt. The first went around the mother, then
another around the baby. That way the baby was restrained but wouldn't
be crushed by the mother in the event of a crash.