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Hatunen wrote:
On 9 Aug 2006 02:55:39 -0700, "Jordi"
wrote:



So? What % of the annual budget of the average person goes to travel?
And Europeans do travel abroad more than Americans (just take a look at
how many Americans have a passport).

Europeans don't have as far to go to get abroad. A great many of
the foreign destinations for Americans don't require a passport
(so far, anyway). Athough I do have a passport I don't need it to
visit the foreign country just 100 km from my house, which I do
several times a year.

I don't think you're very representative of the average USAian

It will be interesting to see the stats once the passport for re-entry
is mandatory.


Because working makes up for more than half the time you are awake,
conscious and actually doing things, every bit you can shave off it is
more time to do whatever you want (family, friends, reading, etc.).

How do you get half the time? I am asleep about 56 hours a week
leaving 112 hours. If I work 40 hours a week, that's 36% of my
waking hours. Even if I add in two hours a day for commuting five
days a week it still isn't 50%.


I said on another reply, I was thinking about weekdays, my mistake.


J.

"
what would be your guess on % of Americans who travel abroad and
who travel abroad beyond Mexico and Canada (a guess, I'm not
interested in a cites war). Are there a lot of countries US
doesn't need passports?

"A lot" is relative. It's primarily the Carribean countries, who are more
interested in our money than our nationality (and we are most interested in
their beaches). And Mexico and Canada.

But this is all changing, as the U.S. is now requiring passports to get back
home after vacation.

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:43:06 +0100, The Reid
wrote:

Following up to Hatunen

So? What % of the annual budget of the average person goes to travel?
And Europeans do travel abroad more than Americans (just take a look at
how many Americans have a passport).

Europeans don't have as far to go to get abroad.

that of course doesn't make it untrue.


No, but it raises a seriopus question as to the valdity of the
satement " Europeans do travel abroad more than Americans"

A great many of
the foreign destinations for Americans don't require a passport
(so far, anyway).

what would be your guess on % of Americans who travel abroad and
who travel abroad beyond Mexico and Canada (a guess, I'm not
interested in a cites war). Are there a lot of countries US
doesn't need passports?

Define "abroad". And what are the figures supporting the
statement that more Europeans travel abroad than Americans."

As far as Americans are concerned, of course, Europeans are
already "abroad".

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On 10 Aug 2006 07:11:01 -0700, "Jordi"
wrote:


mrtravel wrote:
The Reid wrote:

what would be your guess on % of Americans who travel abroad and
who travel abroad beyond Mexico and Canada (a guess, I'm not
interested in a cites war). Are there a lot of countries US
doesn't need passports?

There are few left, but that will soon end as the US Government will
require them for re-entry. The percentage of foreign travelers is lower
because the US is a large country with great diversity.

So is Australia and I recall them having one of the highest % of
passport holders.

I guess Aussies are anxious to get out.

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On 10 Aug 2006 07:14:13 -0700, "Jordi"
wrote:


Hatunen wrote:
On 9 Aug 2006 02:55:39 -0700, "Jordi"
wrote:



So? What % of the annual budget of the average person goes to travel?
And Europeans do travel abroad more than Americans (just take a look at
how many Americans have a passport).

Europeans don't have as far to go to get abroad. A great many of
the foreign destinations for Americans don't require a passport
(so far, anyway). Athough I do have a passport I don't need it to
visit the foreign country just 100 km from my house, which I do
several times a year.

I don't think you're very representative of the average USAian

I don't think that had anything to do with the point.

It will be interesting to see the stats once the passport for re-entry
is mandatory.

It's going ot be a major headache here in southern Arizona where
a fairly significant percent of the population is Mexican by
either birth or ancestry. Travel across the frontier is rather
voluminous, but the Mexicans here in the US tend to be of lower
socioeconomic status and passports for the parents and all the
kids is going to be a pretty big burden just so they can spend
Christmas with Tio and Tia. The feds are trying to figure out
ways for frequent crossers to not need passports.



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Following up to Hatunen

Europeans don't have as far to go to get abroad.

that of course doesn't make it untrue.


No, but it raises a seriopus question as to the valdity of the
satement " Europeans do travel abroad more than Americans"

does it? I thought it explained why it might be true but not
unreasonable or surprising.

A great many of
the foreign destinations for Americans don't require a passport
(so far, anyway).

what would be your guess on % of Americans who travel abroad and
who travel abroad beyond Mexico and Canada (a guess, I'm not
interested in a cites war). Are there a lot of countries US
doesn't need passports?

Define "abroad".

other countries

And what are the figures supporting the
statement that more Europeans travel abroad than Americans."

the passport figures?

As far as Americans are concerned, of course, Europeans are
already "abroad".

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Hatunen wrote:


I don't think that had anything to do with the point.

It will be interesting to see the stats once the passport for re-entry
is mandatory.

It's going ot be a major headache here in southern Arizona where
a fairly significant percent of the population is Mexican by
either birth or ancestry. Travel across the frontier is rather
voluminous, but the Mexicans here in the US tend to be of lower
socioeconomic status and passports for the parents and all the
kids is going to be a pretty big burden just so they can spend
Christmas with Tio and Tia. The feds are trying to figure out
ways for frequent crossers to not need passports.

Well, if most border crossers are Mexicans, they already have a Mexican
passport, right?

However, I was recently in Tecumseh, ON, where crossing to the US
(Detroit) is a matter of crossing a bridge and was told a not
insignificant number of people do conmute from Canada to the US.

J.

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:14:23 +0100, The Reid
wrote:

Following up to Hatunen

Europeans don't have as far to go to get abroad.

that of course doesn't make it untrue.


No, but it raises a seriopus question as to the valdity of the
satement " Europeans do travel abroad more than Americans"

does it? I thought it explained why it might be true but not
unreasonable or surprising.

A great many of
the foreign destinations for Americans don't require a passport
(so far, anyway).

what would be your guess on % of Americans who travel abroad and
who travel abroad beyond Mexico and Canada (a guess, I'm not
interested in a cites war). Are there a lot of countries US
doesn't need passports?

Define "abroad".

other countries

So Mexico and Canada and the Caribbean islands are "abroad", even
for Americans.

And what are the figures supporting the
statement that more Europeans travel abroad than Americans."

the passport figures?

If you have the numbers, that would address part of the question.


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On 10 Aug 2006 09:40:05 -0700, "Jordi"
wrote:


Hatunen wrote:


I don't think that had anything to do with the point.

It will be interesting to see the stats once the passport for re-entry
is mandatory.

It's going ot be a major headache here in southern Arizona where
a fairly significant percent of the population is Mexican by
either birth or ancestry. Travel across the frontier is rather
voluminous, but the Mexicans here in the US tend to be of lower
socioeconomic status and passports for the parents and all the
kids is going to be a pretty big burden just so they can spend
Christmas with Tio and Tia. The feds are trying to figure out
ways for frequent crossers to not need passports.

Well, if most border crossers are Mexicans, they already have a Mexican
passport, right?

No. because you don't need a passport to cross. Yet. and you may
have missed the part where I said

However, I was recently in Tecumseh, ON, where crossing to the US
(Detroit) is a matter of crossing a bridge and was told a not
insignificant number of people do conmute from Canada to the US.

And some the other way around.

But I guess you missed the part above where I said "Mexican by
either birth or *ancestry*. Even the Mexican by birth here in the
USA may not have a Mexican passports.

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Jordi writes:

The average European family has a home, car, computer, mobile phone,
cable-TV and whatever else the American family has, and has more time
to enjoy it together.

If only that were actually true.

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