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Old September 29th, 2012, 02:17 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.horror,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,alt.politics.socialism,rec.travel.europe
PJ O'D[_3_]
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Default France: 'Best' Health Care?

On Sep 29, 2:56*am, Earl Evleth wrote:
On 29/09/12 1:23, in article
, "Raymond"

wrote:
France: 'Best' Health Care?


The French health care system has been dubbed "the best in the world."
David Turecamo finds out why the French can afford to get sick.


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4546219n


I think I am the only person on this group to have French health care.
Most of the American criticism of other health care systems is not from
long personal experience and sometimes influenced by the negative coverage
by American conservatives.

I am mortally ill but my death has been delayed by being in a special
treatment program. My French insurance covers 100% of the costs
of my medical care, essentially no copays. *My recent installation of
a pace maker was 100% covered. My oxygen bills run around $700/month,
also completely covered. *This is also true with my drug costs.

When I retired we talked over our possible return to the USA for
my retirement. *One of the reasons for remaining in France is because
the US health care system looked ify to us, too many copay, limitations
in which the coverage actually declines if one has a long lasting
costly medical problem.


Lung translants are a common treatment in the US for Evleth's
unfortunate disease of pulmonary fibrosis.

from http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/heal...opics/lungtxp/

"... About 1,800 lung transplants were done in the United States in
2010. ..."

(one of the highest per population (m) in the world)

I have read that France is at the bottom of the barrel ( only 7 lung
transplants performed in France for the most recent year I could
find).

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/he...ansplants-lung

With Evleth political ideology even supercedes the instinct for
survival.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 08:23 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.horror,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,alt.politics.socialism,rec.travel.europe
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
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Default France: 'Best' Health Care?



PJ O'D wrote:
On Sep 29, 2:56 am, Earl Evleth wrote:
On 29/09/12 1:23, in article
, "Raymond"

wrote:
France: 'Best' Health Care?
The French health care system has been dubbed "the best in the world."
David Turecamo finds out why the French can afford to get sick.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4546219n

I think I am the only person on this group to have French health care.
Most of the American criticism of other health care systems is not from
long personal experience and sometimes influenced by the negative coverage
by American conservatives.

I am mortally ill but my death has been delayed by being in a special
treatment program. My French insurance covers 100% of the costs
of my medical care, essentially no copays. My recent installation of
a pace maker was 100% covered. My oxygen bills run around $700/month,
also completely covered. This is also true with my drug costs.

When I retired we talked over our possible return to the USA for
my retirement. One of the reasons for remaining in France is because
the US health care system looked ify to us, too many copay, limitations
in which the coverage actually declines if one has a long lasting
costly medical problem.


Lung translants are a common treatment in the US for Evleth's
unfortunate disease of pulmonary fibrosis.


snip

With Evleth political ideology even supercedes the instinct for
survival.


"Political ideology" aside, moron, some of us regard organ transplants
as being akin to cannibalism. When science reaches a point where
replacement organs can be cloned from one's own tissue, my objection
would disappear - until then, no thanks! If my own organs no longer
function, maybe it's time to quit - death is, after all, a natural part
of living. ("Life is a fatal disease", according to some famous
physician whose name escapes me.)

FYI, the USA is the ONLY "developed" country in the world that does not
regard universal health care as a right for all citizens, not a
privilege for the wealthy. (We'd be a lot better off if we could amend
the Constitution to eliminate corporate "personhood"!)

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Old September 30th, 2012, 12:29 AM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.horror,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,alt.politics.socialism,rec.travel.europe
PJ O'D[_3_]
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Default France: 'Best' Health Care?

On Sep 29, 3:24*pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
PJ O'D wrote:
On Sep 29, 2:56 am, Earl Evleth wrote:



Lung translants are a common treatment in the US for Evleth's
unfortunate disease of pulmonary fibrosis.


* * * *snip



With Evleth political ideology even supercedes the instinct for
survival.



FYI, the USA is the ONLY "developed" country in the world that does not
regard universal health care as a right for all citizens, not a
privilege for the wealthy.


Rubbish. You are just broadcasting your gullibility by swallowing the
anti American bias that infests Usenet.

All Americans over age 65 and disabled Americans qualify for
Medicare
where the US government pays health providers direct for health care
of
the elderly and disabled.

In addition:
http://www.cms.hhs.gov/EMTALA/
Overview
"In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor
Act
(EMTALA) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of
ability to pay. Section 1867 of the Social Security Act imposes
specific obligations on Medicare-participating hospitals that offer
emergency services to provide a medical screening examination (MSE)
when a request is made for examination or treatment for an emergency
medical condition (EMC), including active labor, regardless of an
individual's ability to pay. Hospitals are then required to provide
stabilizing treatment for patients with EMCs. If a hospital is unable
to stabilize a patient within its capability, or if the patient
requests, an appropriate transfer should be implemented...."
In addition:

Besides state MEDICAID health care iis available to the poor and many
comparable
individual state laws which are broader in scope than the federal
EMTALA, preceded EMTALA
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Old September 30th, 2012, 01:30 AM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.horror,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,alt.politics.socialism,rec.travel.europe
bill
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Default France: 'Best' Health Care?

On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:29:10 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:

On Sep 29, 3:24*pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
PJ O'D wrote:
On Sep 29, 2:56 am, Earl Evleth wrote:



Lung translants are a common treatment in the US for Evleth's
unfortunate disease of pulmonary fibrosis.


* * * *snip



With Evleth political ideology even supercedes the instinct for
survival.



FYI, the USA is the ONLY "developed" country in the world that does not
regard universal health care as a right for all citizens, not a
privilege for the wealthy.


Rubbish. You are just broadcasting your gullibility by swallowing the
anti American bias that infests Usenet.

All Americans over age 65 and disabled Americans qualify for
Medicare
where the US government pays health providers direct for health care
of
the elderly and disabled.

Goodness PJ, you really are just a liar.
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Old September 30th, 2012, 02:34 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
S Viemeister[_2_]
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Default France: 'Best' Health Care?

On 9/29/2012 8:30 PM, Bill wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:29:10 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:
All Americans over age 65 and disabled Americans qualify for
Medicare
where the US government pays health providers direct for health care
of
the elderly and disabled.

Goodness PJ, you really are just a liar.

(crossposting snipped)

Americans pay into Medicare all their working lives, and when they reach
65, they have to pay every month for doctor coverage. Drug insurance is
an additional charge, and the coverage is inadequate for those with
chronic conditions.
  #6  
Old September 30th, 2012, 02:49 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
Doug Anderson
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Default France: 'Best' Health Care?

S Viemeister writes:

On 9/29/2012 8:30 PM, Bill wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:29:10 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:
All Americans over age 65 and disabled Americans qualify for
Medicare
where the US government pays health providers direct for health care
of
the elderly and disabled.

Goodness PJ, you really are just a liar.

(crossposting snipped)

Americans pay into Medicare all their working lives, and when they
reach 65, they have to pay every month for doctor coverage. Drug
insurance is an additional charge, and the coverage is inadequate for
those with chronic conditions.


And in spite of that what Medicare pays out for the vast majority of
recipients exceeds what they paid in by orders of magnitute.
  #7  
Old September 30th, 2012, 11:42 AM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.horror,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,alt.politics.socialism,rec.travel.europe
PJ O'D[_3_]
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Default France: 'Best' Health Care?

On Sep 29, 8:30*pm, Bill wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:29:10 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"


All Americans over age 65 and disabled Americans *qualify for
Medicare
where the US government pays health providers direct for health care
of
the elderly and disabled.


Goodness PJ, you really are just a liar.


Medicare (United States)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Medicare is a national social insurance program, administered by the
U.S. federal government since 1965, that guarantees access to health
insurance for Americans ages 65 and older and younger people with
disabilities as well as people with end stage renal disease. As a
social insurance program, Medicare spreads the financial risk
associated with illness across society to protect everyone,
  #8  
Old September 30th, 2012, 06:14 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.horror,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,alt.politics.socialism,rec.travel.europe
bill
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Default France: 'Best' Health Care?

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 03:42:03 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:

On Sep 29, 8:30*pm, Bill wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:29:10 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"


All Americans over age 65 and disabled Americans *qualify for
Medicare
where the US government pays health providers direct for health care
of
the elderly and disabled.


Goodness PJ, you really are just a liar.


Medicare (United States)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Medicare is a national social insurance program, administered by the
U.S. federal government since 1965, that guarantees access to health
insurance for Americans ages 65 and older and younger people with
disabilities as well as people with end stage renal disease. As a
social insurance program, Medicare spreads the financial risk
associated with illness across society to protect everyone,


Oh shut up you buffoon, we all know US free medical care is neither
free nor terribly good.

If it was the USA would have higher life expectancy figures than
Europe, and it doesn't...
  #9  
Old September 30th, 2012, 08:24 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.horror,alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,alt.politics.socialism,rec.travel.europe
Runge 667
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Default France: 'Best' Health Care?

evleth will try make us cry on himself and donovan has a problem in his
head.


"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" a écrit dans le
message de groupe de discussion :
...


PJ O'D wrote:
On Sep 29, 2:56 am, Earl Evleth wrote:
On 29/09/12 1:23, in article
,
"Raymond"

wrote:
France: 'Best' Health Care?
The French health care system has been dubbed "the best in the world."
David Turecamo finds out why the French can afford to get sick.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4546219n
I think I am the only person on this group to have French health care.
Most of the American criticism of other health care systems is not from
long personal experience and sometimes influenced by the negative
coverage
by American conservatives.

I am mortally ill but my death has been delayed by being in a special
treatment program. My French insurance covers 100% of the costs
of my medical care, essentially no copays. My recent installation of
a pace maker was 100% covered. My oxygen bills run around $700/month,
also completely covered. This is also true with my drug costs.

When I retired we talked over our possible return to the USA for
my retirement. One of the reasons for remaining in France is because
the US health care system looked ify to us, too many copay, limitations
in which the coverage actually declines if one has a long lasting
costly medical problem.


Lung translants are a common treatment in the US for Evleth's
unfortunate disease of pulmonary fibrosis.


snip

With Evleth political ideology even supercedes the instinct for
survival.


"Political ideology" aside, moron, some of us regard organ transplants as
being akin to cannibalism. When science reaches a point where replacement
organs can be cloned from one's own tissue, my objection would disappear -
until then, no thanks! If my own organs no longer function, maybe it's
time to quit - death is, after all, a natural part of living. ("Life is
a fatal disease", according to some famous physician whose name escapes
me.)

FYI, the USA is the ONLY "developed" country in the world that does not
regard universal health care as a right for all citizens, not a privilege
for the wealthy. (We'd be a lot better off if we could amend the
Constitution to eliminate corporate "personhood"!)

 




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