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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
"Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message ... So how many times has Karen Wheelock posted on rtc? Sue ---found no posts from Google Groups I have no idea, nor am I overly concerned with that and neither was the rest of the committee. As you should know, it gets increasingly more difficult to get TA's that will bid at all on the GGC's because of the flame level that exists primarily here. When we posted for TA's to bid, she was one of them. Thanks for asking.... Perhaps next time it might be worth stating up front that the TA's that bid don't have to be RTCr's. It might generate even more interest. Having the stipulation, as in the past, that the TA must be an RTC poster reduces the "pool" of TA's that can bid. Even though you did get a non-RTC TA to bid this time, maybe if you state up front that you don't have to be an RTC poster you'll get even more interest next time. --Tom |
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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
-- "Sue Keenan" wrote in message ... I don't recall seeing a post from you saying you lifted the following requirements? 1. Be a participating member in RTC 2. Be a full-time travel agent 3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a contract. Sue Holy Crap, the process has barely started and already there is dissension! Good luck Lloyd. Paul Paul Hoffman McMaster University Biology Dept. Hamilton ON 905 525 9140 ext 24241 fax 905 522 6066 "The only thing more expensive than hiring a professional, is hiring an amateur." Red Adair |
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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
In article , Paul Hoffman
wrote: -- "Sue Keenan" wrote in message ... I don't recall seeing a post from you saying you lifted the following requirements? 1. Be a participating member in RTC 2. Be a full-time travel agent 3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a contract. Sue Holy Crap, the process has barely started and already there is dissension! Good luck Lloyd. Paul Paul Hoffman I'm a retired Navy Chief, how much do you think dissension is gonna bother me? G Lloyd |
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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
In article , Tom &
Linda wrote: "Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message ... So how many times has Karen Wheelock posted on rtc? Sue ---found no posts from Google Groups I have no idea, nor am I overly concerned with that and neither was the rest of the committee. As you should know, it gets increasingly more difficult to get TA's that will bid at all on the GGC's because of the flame level that exists primarily here. When we posted for TA's to bid, she was one of them. Thanks for asking.... Perhaps next time it might be worth stating up front that the TA's that bid don't have to be RTCr's. It might generate even more interest. Having the stipulation, as in the past, that the TA must be an RTC poster reduces the "pool" of TA's that can bid. Even though you did get a non-RTC TA to bid this time, maybe if you state up front that you don't have to be an RTC poster you'll get even more interest next time. --Tom I won't argue with that. But that isn't the way it was done this time. Next GGC the committee can do like us and make their rules also. For information, each GGC committee is empowered to do whatever is ethical and legal to produce good results. They are not bound to the previous committee's rules in any way except possibly that it makes it easier. And actually, there is no requirement that the GGC chair even empanel a committee as I was told more than once. All in all, I think we got some very nice bids that you all will find at least one if not more to like. Lloyd |
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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
In article , Sue Keenan
wrote: Lloyd Parsons wrote: In article , Lloyd Parsons wrote: In article , Sue Keenan wrote: Lloyd Parsons wrote: Woo Hoo! Did we get some nice bids in. And your ggc2005 committee has been hard at work to decide what to put up for bid. We got very nice responses from 4 Travel Agents, here they are (in no particular order) Karen Wheelock of WorldTravel Services of Tulsa, OK. Cal Ford who we all know from here John Szeto who has been trying forever it seems. Peter Berlin who everyone also knows. We've got selection out the wazoo this year! You want a Western Caribbean? We got 'em, in more than one flavor How about a West Coast? It is there too New ships? Yep, got 'em Great selection from a bunch of excellent TA's. Voting will commence as soon as the website is updated to show the bids selected for the vote. At that time we will also post the rules of voting and how the results will be used if something doesn't pop up as the hands-down favorite. So keep watching www.ggc2005.com for the news! Lloyd Tropicale 2000 Sensation GGC2002 Golden Princess GGC2003 Radiance of the Seas GGC2004 Celebrity Millenium GLC2005 So how many times has Karen Wheelock posted on rtc? Sue ---found no posts from Google Groups I have no idea, nor am I overly concerned with that and neither was the rest of the committee. As you should know, it gets increasingly more difficult to get TA's that will bid at all on the GGC's because of the flame level that exists primarily here. When we posted for TA's to bid, she was one of them. Thanks for asking.... Lloyd I got to thinking and maybe that answer is too short. Let me expand on it. When the committee was being formed and discussions started within the committee, as well as the postings I made here about TA interest, the responses were underwhelming to say the least. We felt that all too many of the TA's that are here all the time would not bid, and we were almost right. I literally only knew of 2 TA's that would bid when I called for bids. I had been on the phone to a number of TA's from RTC to try to recruit them and had received not very encouraging conversations. I will not say who I called, nor will I say what was discussed. But the conversations led me and the committee to believe that the responses would be minimal at best. So we took the TA's that responded to the call for bids, and I thank them for their responses and the hard work it took to do those bids in the face of knowing that whoever wins (and maybe even doesn't win) will take some flak from some here that get their jollies bitching. All of that said, the bids that will be posted for voting are the ones that are available for a GGC this coming year. We think they are excellent bids, with a broad selection, much broader than in the past. Soon it will be up to you as voters to decide which of these bids you want. They will be identified as to who submitted so if that is a big deal to you, you can factor that in. Lloyd I'm sure there are a lot of TAs that read rtc and don't post, but if they didn't know the requirements had changed, how would they know to ask for a rfb? I don't recall seeing a post from you saying you lifted the following requirements? 1. Be a participating member in RTC 2. Be a full-time travel agent 3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a contract. Sue Great 20/20 hindsight! G All of this is true, but we did it the way we did it. In future another committee may decide to do it differently. We like the results and are not going to change anything at this stage of the game. None of the previous committee's rules are required to be used at all. I assume that all of the committee's have built on each other with changes along the way. Actually, I know that is exactly how it has been done. We did ours our way because that seemed to be necessary as we were seeing little positive feedback from anywhere about this GGC. I sure saw and heard enough negative though! Lloyd |
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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
I think the important thing here is that the bids meet the
RFB as set by committee, and match the requests of those that voted for their favorite type of cruise, to include the various destinations and durations. As with all bidding in the past, the total package featuring the rate and the itinerary is what the GGC Cruise has been all about. These are the things that your humble bidding Travel Agents considered when they went to work to try to produce a Bid to your (RTC Group) satisfaction. This was not an easy chore and I am sure all the agents that participated had to put many hours of work into creating their package as I did. May the best bid win, and that's the way it goes! Peter ........................snipped When the committee was being formed and discussions started within the committee, as well as the postings I made here about TA interest, the responses were underwhelming to say the least. We felt that all too many of the TA's that are here all the time would not bid, and we were almost right. I literally only knew of 2 TA's that would bid when I called for bids. I had been on the phone to a number of TA's from RTC to try to recruit them and had received not very encouraging conversations. I will not say who I called, nor will I say what was discussed. But the conversations led me and the committee to believe that the responses would be minimal at best. So we took the TA's that responded to the call for bids, and I thank them for their responses and the hard work it took to do those bids in the face of knowing that whoever wins (and maybe even doesn't win) will take some flak from some here that get their jollies bitching. All of that said, the bids that will be posted for voting are the ones that are available for a GGC this coming year. We think they are excellent bids, with a broad selection, much broader than in the past. Soon it will be up to you as voters to decide which of these bids you want. They will be identified as to who submitted so if that is a big deal to you, you can factor that in. Lloyd I'm sure there are a lot of TAs that read rtc and don't post, but if they didn't know the requirements had changed, how would they know to ask for a rfb? I don't recall seeing a post from you saying you lifted the following requirements? 1. Be a participating member in RTC 2. Be a full-time travel agent 3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a contract. Sue Great 20/20 hindsight! G All of this is true, but we did it the way we did it. In future another committee may decide to do it differently. We like the results and are not going to change anything at this stage of the game. None of the previous committee's rules are required to be used at all. I assume that all of the committee's have built on each other with changes along the way. Actually, I know that is exactly how it has been done. We did ours our way because that seemed to be necessary as we were seeing little positive feedback from anywhere about this GGC. I sure saw and heard enough negative though! Lloyd -- Peter Berlin Peter Berlin's Travel Center 800-874-6040 |
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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
All of this is true, but we did it the way we did it. In future
another committee may decide to do it differently. We like the results and are not going to change anything at this stage of the game. Nor should you be expected to, Lloyd... I am just grateful that you accepted the chairmanship and that we have a committee that is willing to serve... having read the past GGC's complaints about minor issues, makes y'all a brave bunch and it sounds as if you are doing a good job and I can't wait for the selections to be posted! --Jean |
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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
In article , Jean
O'Boyle wrote: All of this is true, but we did it the way we did it. In future another committee may decide to do it differently. We like the results and are not going to change anything at this stage of the game. Nor should you be expected to, Lloyd... I am just grateful that you accepted the chairmanship and that we have a committee that is willing to serve... having read the past GGC's complaints about minor issues, makes y'all a brave bunch and it sounds as if you are doing a good job and I can't wait for the selections to be posted! --Jean Thanks, but I certainly couldn't have done it alone. The committee member are great to work with and in those instances when differences of opinions came up, we were able to find that compromise that made it all work smoothly. Lloyd |
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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
"Peter Berlin" wrote in message hlink.net... I think the important thing here is that the bids meet the RFB as set by committee, and match the requests of those that voted for their favorite type of cruise, to include the various destinations and durations. As with all bidding in the past, the total package featuring the rate and the itinerary is what the GGC Cruise has been all about. These are the things that your humble bidding Travel Agents considered when they went to work to try to produce a Bid to your (RTC Group) satisfaction. This was not an easy chore and I am sure all the agents that participated had to put many hours of work into creating their package as I did. May the best bid win, and that's the way it goes! Peter .......................snipped When the committee was being formed and discussions started within the committee, as well as the postings I made here about TA interest, the responses were underwhelming to say the least. We felt that all too many of the TA's that are here all the time would not bid, and we were almost right. I literally only knew of 2 TA's that would bid when I called for bids. I had been on the phone to a number of TA's from RTC to try to recruit them and had received not very encouraging conversations. I will not say who I called, nor will I say what was discussed. But the conversations led me and the committee to believe that the responses would be minimal at best. So we took the TA's that responded to the call for bids, and I thank them for their responses and the hard work it took to do those bids in the face of knowing that whoever wins (and maybe even doesn't win) will take some flak from some here that get their jollies bitching. All of that said, the bids that will be posted for voting are the ones that are available for a GGC this coming year. We think they are excellent bids, with a broad selection, much broader than in the past. Soon it will be up to you as voters to decide which of these bids you want. They will be identified as to who submitted so if that is a big deal to you, you can factor that in. Lloyd I'm sure there are a lot of TAs that read rtc and don't post, but if they didn't know the requirements had changed, how would they know to ask for a rfb? I don't recall seeing a post from you saying you lifted the following requirements? 1. Be a participating member in RTC 2. Be a full-time travel agent 3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a contract. Sue Great 20/20 hindsight! G All of this is true, but we did it the way we did it. In future another committee may decide to do it differently. We like the results and are not going to change anything at this stage of the game. None of the previous committee's rules are required to be used at all. I assume that all of the committee's have built on each other with changes along the way. Actually, I know that is exactly how it has been done. We did ours our way because that seemed to be necessary as we were seeing little positive feedback from anywhere about this GGC. I sure saw and heard enough negative though! Lloyd -- Peter Berlin Peter Berlin's Travel Center 800-874-6040 Your still up to your same old bull**** Petey. Are you going to be a problem TA like you were last year? Are you going to make insulting comments to PAYING passengers again? Are you going to cry about not making any money or getting a free cabin again? I thought you said you were done with the likes of GGC's. I smell a pile of **** and I'm not sure who it is, You or the sailor boy. Funny how this works out, he uses you as a TA and now your back. My money is on you and that stupid wife of yours on pulling the wool over RTC eye's again. Now the killer is Stetzo and Ford as the scape goat bids, one no name and we have or TA of choice PETEY. Your Biggest Fan Fred |
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In article J3Nuc.1628$CW.898@lakeread05, Freddyp
wrote: "Peter Berlin" wrote in message hlink.net... I think the important thing here is that the bids meet the RFB as set by committee, and match the requests of those that voted for their favorite type of cruise, to include the various destinations and durations. As with all bidding in the past, the total package featuring the rate and the itinerary is what the GGC Cruise has been all about. These are the things that your humble bidding Travel Agents considered when they went to work to try to produce a Bid to your (RTC Group) satisfaction. This was not an easy chore and I am sure all the agents that participated had to put many hours of work into creating their package as I did. May the best bid win, and that's the way it goes! Peter .......................snipped When the committee was being formed and discussions started within the committee, as well as the postings I made here about TA interest, the responses were underwhelming to say the least. We felt that all too many of the TA's that are here all the time would not bid, and we were almost right. I literally only knew of 2 TA's that would bid when I called for bids. I had been on the phone to a number of TA's from RTC to try to recruit them and had received not very encouraging conversations. I will not say who I called, nor will I say what was discussed. But the conversations led me and the committee to believe that the responses would be minimal at best. So we took the TA's that responded to the call for bids, and I thank them for their responses and the hard work it took to do those bids in the face of knowing that whoever wins (and maybe even doesn't win) will take some flak from some here that get their jollies bitching. All of that said, the bids that will be posted for voting are the ones that are available for a GGC this coming year. We think they are excellent bids, with a broad selection, much broader than in the past. Soon it will be up to you as voters to decide which of these bids you want. They will be identified as to who submitted so if that is a big deal to you, you can factor that in. Lloyd I'm sure there are a lot of TAs that read rtc and don't post, but if they didn't know the requirements had changed, how would they know to ask for a rfb? I don't recall seeing a post from you saying you lifted the following requirements? 1. Be a participating member in RTC 2. Be a full-time travel agent 3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a contract. Sue Great 20/20 hindsight! G All of this is true, but we did it the way we did it. In future another committee may decide to do it differently. We like the results and are not going to change anything at this stage of the game. None of the previous committee's rules are required to be used at all. I assume that all of the committee's have built on each other with changes along the way. Actually, I know that is exactly how it has been done. We did ours our way because that seemed to be necessary as we were seeing little positive feedback from anywhere about this GGC. I sure saw and heard enough negative though! Lloyd -- Peter Berlin Peter Berlin's Travel Center 800-874-6040 Your still up to your same old bull**** Petey. Are you going to be a problem TA like you were last year? Are you going to make insulting comments to PAYING passengers again? Are you going to cry about not making any money or getting a free cabin again? I thought you said you were done with the likes of GGC's. I smell a pile of **** and I'm not sure who it is, You or the sailor boy. Funny how this works out, he uses you as a TA and now your back. My money is on you and that stupid wife of yours on pulling the wool over RTC eye's again. Now the killer is Stetzo and Ford as the scape goat bids, one no name and we have or TA of choice PETEY. Your Biggest Fan Fred Hey, Freddy Why don't you take your vile bitching and moaning over to alt.nobody.gives.a.crap.what.you.say? |
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