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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
"James A. Donald" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:04:42 -0500, "Sancho Panza" If the trees are not a religious symbol, why is there so much fervor to display them? I am not religious, and I display them. Just at Christmas or at other times, too? |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
"James A. Donald" wrote in message ... -- "James A. Donald" any one who not only does not celebrate it, but gets upset and offended by other people celebrating it, is indeed a bigot. "Sancho Panza" You would no doubt celebrate even more imams and others taking out their prayer rugs and doing their thing in the middle of a public place that you are using. There was no manger at the airport, nor any prayer. The airport Christmas was carefully sanitized of anything with the slightest connection to Christianity. If the trees have no connection to Christianity, why do basically just Christians use them? |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
"James A. Donald" wrote in message ... "James A. Donald" By "you guys" I mean everyone that gets so enraged by the symbols of Christianity that they cannot even stand symbols that are associated with the symbols of Christianity - I mean commies, militant Jews, radical islamists, Gaia worshippers, the usual. Hindus, animists and ancestor worshippers somehow never have this problem. "Sancho Panza" But you are saying in posts right around this one that it is not a religious symbol. It is not a religious symbol. It is something that reminds you guys of a religious symbol - as I said, a symbol of a symbol. You see the tree and think about mangers. Not only is the theology contorted, now the geography and botany are, too. Douglas firs and spruces in Bethlehem, suuurrreee. |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
wrote in message ups.com... Mark K. Bilbo wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:38:26 -0800, markzoom wrote: Mark K. Bilbo wrote: On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and denouncing anti-Semitism. By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? It's not just some kind of festive decoration. The menorah is the NATIONAL EMBLEM OF THE "STATE" OF ISRAEL Like the eagle is to the US!: http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp I would find it highly offensive to have an 8 foot foreign state emblem displayed by legal imposition in my country. But hey, maybe yanks should know who their real masters are. That's stupid. Oh? I bet there would be an army of zionist shysters beating down doors if a Muslim Iman insisted on an 8' crescent and moon displayed at US airports on Muslim religious holidays. Doesn't matter what it means in Israel, this isn't Israel. So you wouldn't mind an 8' swastika, a symbol used in various current and recognised religions, either then? Many of those that know a Menorah is the official emblem of the Israeli government would see it as a symbol of another invasion of territory. Here, many regard it as a religious symbol. In the US, only less than 2% do. Did you know that there are just as many muslims as jews in the US, btw? If we're going to let one religious symbol be displayed on public property at public expense, we should let all of them be displayed. You'll find that many places won't display anything at all instead of being forced to incur the expense of purchasing and managing the displays of dozens of minority religions on their festivals year round. But for the one favored religion, whatever the trouble and expense is more than fine. |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
wrote in message ups.com... Mark K. Bilbo wrote: I notice nobody asking why it is tax money has to be spent on ornaments rather than silly things like, you know, fixing potholes or even something really absurd like airport security... That attitude could help explain why socialist countries have such a reputation for being ugly, spirit-killing places. What........ like the Bronx and South LA ? |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
James A. Donald wrote in message ... "James A. Donald" By "you guys" I mean everyone that gets so enraged by the symbols of Christianity that they cannot even stand symbols that are associated with the symbols of Christianity - I mean commies, militant Jews, radical islamists, Gaia worshippers, the usual. Hindus, animists and ancestor worshippers somehow never have this problem. "Sancho Panza" But you are saying in posts right around this one that it is not a religious symbol. It is not a religious symbol. It is something that reminds you guys of a religious symbol - as I said, a symbol of a symbol. You see the tree and think about mangers. The fact that you are taking offense shows that no concessions whatever can ever stop you from being offended. The manger is not there because we already had this thing - people tried putting up a manger *and* a menorah, and just got a longer queue of people threatening lawsuits and engaging in lawsuits. So they gave up on mangers. Now it is happening all over again with any indications of Christmas whatsoever. Um..... you really have wondered down the garden path with this one James.... the thread, which you are so eager to misrepresent, is nto about 'removing trees' whether they be religious symbols or not. The facts of the case, which you continually ignore, is that the rabbi who threatened to sue did so because he wanted equal represetation for his religious symbols alongside the trees. So, he thought the trees were christian symbols, anyway. The case never reached court becasue the airport reponded by deciding noit to have any symbols, religious, secular or ambigously religious/secular/pagan. After the media fuss, the rabbi then withdrew his threat of litigation and the airport put the trees back. You,meanwhile, haver got the wrogn end of the tree and are indulging in your usual obtusely tangental meanderings. Get a grip, man. -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
Constantinople wrote in message ups.com... Anarcissie wrote: Holidays of enforced jollity are all part of living a life of quiet desperation. As the great Quentin Crisp said, "When people are happy there is no need for festivities." Witty, but as a serious statement about societies, incorrect and perverse. Hardly, what else were 'bread and circuses' then....... |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
"James A. Donald" wrote in message ... Your insistence that "Christmas is now secular and erveyone must celebrate it or be considered a bigot [the upshot of your "only those with a grudge against it don;t celebrate it" post] " is not only insanely fascist and bigoted, but just not logical. No one must celebrate it, but any one who not only does not celebrate it, but gets upset and offended by other people celebrating it, is indeed a bigot. I agree. I haven't heard anyone get upset or offended by anyone celebrating Christmas. The concern in Seattle was using government funds, i.e. tax dollars paid into the general fund, to pay for it -- particularly to the exclusion of all other "secular" holidays that are grounded in a specific religion's tradition. So, who do you know that is upset and offended by anyone celebrating Christmas? -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
brique wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Mark K. Bilbo wrote: I notice nobody asking why it is tax money has to be spent on ornaments rather than silly things like, you know, fixing potholes or even something really absurd like airport security... That attitude could help explain why socialist countries have such a reputation for being ugly, spirit-killing places. What........ like the Bronx and South LA ? Did you pick average, representative places in America (in which case you have a point) or did you cherry pick the worst places in America you could think of (in which case you don't)? |
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