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Old August 19th, 2005, 08:07 AM
Albert F.
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Oh YES !! sure that? I can't belive it !!

But, when you say "other game parks", please, can you tell me in which other
African parks animals are trained to stand alone???

Thi is not what I was asking.....

Albert F.
:-(


"jona" escribió en el mensaje
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"Albert F." wrote in message
s...
Hi, just comming from Tanzania and visiting Seregeti and Ngoro-ngoro
crater... one of the worst game parks I've ever seen. Nothing to see.
Expected top Africa's park, but... only couple of old elephants, some
zebras anb wildbest... but nothing more. Does anyone knows what's
happening there? :-?


Unlike all other game parks, the Ngoro-Ngoro animals have
not been trained to stand alongside the road and pose for
your viewing pleasure.



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Old August 19th, 2005, 08:11 AM
Albert F.
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Which game parks did you visit?

Do you really want all the list? I've traveling among Africas gameparks
every year since 1992, so I've seen in some of them in Tanzania, Kenia,
Uganda, Zimbabwe, Malawi, Namibia..... That's why I found Ngoro-ngoro so
disapointig.

You will see more there, then on the Ramblas I suppose?


Yes !! plenty of ****ing tourists moving as herds of wildbeest, most of them
don't know what are they looking or where they are... may be you have been
in Barcelona???? But they spend nice money in the city, specially in
beers.... fortunately not all the turists only visit "las ramblas".

Ever heard about that the game moves into the forests to graze, look for
shade etc.?


Oh YES ??? SURE ????? I always think they were made on plastic !!! Thanhks
for your information !!!!!

Please, don't keep in touch...


Sure !!!! first words I'm gree with you.

Corné.
www.amukela.com


Nice place, a game park with tar road...... ummmmm nice indeed.




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Old August 19th, 2005, 12:11 PM
Corné
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Do you really want all the list? I've traveling among Africas gameparks
every year since 1992, so I've seen in some of them in Tanzania, Kenia,
Uganda, Zimbabwe, Malawi, Namibia..... That's why I found Ngoro-ngoro so
disapointig.


Well, if you are disapointed when seeing the old elephants of the Crater,
then I wander what the reasons for your visits were in the list of game
parks in Tanzania, Kenia, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Malawi, Namibia....



Ever heard about that the game moves into the forests to graze, look for
shade etc.?


Oh YES ??? SURE ????? I always think they were made on plastic !!!

Thanhks
for your information !!!!!



(Voice at Fawlty Towers of Basil's wife regarding Manuel strange behaviour)
"..... he is from Barcelona....." HAHAHA!!



Please, don't keep in touch...


Sure !!!! first words I'm gree with you.



Please again, don't keep in touch....


Corné.
www.amukela.com


Nice place, a game park with tar road...... ummmmm nice indeed.



Tar Road? Where is the tar road in our park?

(Wish we had one, like in the Kruger!).


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Old August 20th, 2005, 06:38 AM
jona
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"Albert F." wrote in message
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Oh YES !! sure that? I can't belive it !!

But, when you say "other game parks", please, can you tell me in which
other
African parks animals are trained to stand alone???

Thi is not what I was asking.....


Albert, Albert,

My apologies if my sarcastic attempt at some humour went
way above your head. I assure you, I most certainly *did*
understand the question and merely tried to inform you that
in all probability, all you had was a "bad hair day" in game
park terms.

It was not my intention to offend you.
Cheers
Jona


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Old August 20th, 2005, 06:38 AM
jona
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"Gerald" wrote in message
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What a smartass answers are been giving here. Expect not
that everybody has the experience as some think they have.
If you can not answer seriously then don't.


serious sigh
Somewhere deep within is a sense of humour. Find it !

His question was "anyone knows what's happening there? :-?"


Yea, the question was understood.

OK Mr. Serious:
I've just returned from Zambia via the Caprivi and along the tar
road are numerous beware signboards stating "elephants crossing".
I didn't see any, so could you tell me what's happening there too ?

Oh wait, the answer is ......
Ag, nevermind.





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Old August 20th, 2005, 10:15 AM
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The next one of what????? Corné.

As Jona said, maybe I’m a bit to serious in my answer but as an overland guide with over ten years experience I see to many smart assess who think they know the bush after travelling for some weeks a year to Africa.
Please don’t say that it’s time to quit the job. This is not what it is about. There are too many good things to enjoy.
But the people I mean are the biggest pain in the ass. Still can live with that.
The thing that’s the most annoying is that Corné (with his little advertisements in the group) gives these stoning answers. He is living in the bush and is giving these answers to the World?

“Please, don't keep in touch...” is the arrogance in its self. And at the same time he is promoting his self. How …. can you be? People are not that stupid Corné.

Be sure Corné I won’t promote your kind. But surely you have lost some clients now, now that you tell your clients to be that wildebeest are moving to the forest to graze. Still can't get the smile of my face. If there is one animal that is living on the plains and woodland than it is the wildebeest. Even in the Crater, Corné. You’ve ever been there (I question) and visited the Forest?

Lona,
About Zambia and the Caprivi signboards. I think and hope you know the answer yourself.

Gerald


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Old August 21st, 2005, 12:29 PM
Corné
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Dear Gerald,

thanks for your contribution.

"I see to many smart
assess who think they know the bush after travelling for some weeks a
year to Africa. "

My conclusions are that you look every day in the mirror? Yep Gerald, beeing
10 years driving around in Africa makes some people for sure arrogant. Like
the initial response: ' smartass answers ' .... how can we be so stupid?
Knowing that you have all the NON-smartass answers...!! Remember next time
we might even e-mail you our reactions, so you can decide which ones are too
'smartass answers' and will not be publiced.

The thing that's the most annoying is that Corné (with his little
advertisements in the group) gives these stoning answers. He is living
in the bush and is giving these answers to the World?


The most annoying are the shallow visions of overland guides. They have seen
the light apparantley.....But somewhere they seem to be a bit frustrated, or
pehaps they don't have the knowledge (and guts) to settle down in the bush?



"Please, don't keep in touch..." is the arrogance in its self. And at
the same time he is promoting his self. How .. can you be? People are
not that stupid Corné.


Reading is difficult sometimes, isn't? This was just a reaction to the
original authors signature, who wrote 'Please, don't keep in touch..."
Indeed it is arrogant, but that's what I wanted to make clear here.




Be sure Corné I won't promote your kind.



Damn!! And I need your promotion activities so hard....Well I think I can
close down my lodge now.....


But surely you have lost some
clients now, now that you tell your clients to be that wildebeest are
moving to the forest to graze.



Remember I am not running some backpackerslodge.... Why do you think I have
lost some clients now? Sure if it is about the knowledge of Africa they will
come with you Gerald.
Aha? Now you are even telling lies? I cannot remember that I wrote something
stupid like wildebeest moving to the forests to graze....?? But Gerarld,
that is clearly your style of doing things.

This is EXACTLY what I wrote: " Ever heard about that the game moves into
the forests to graze, look for
shade etc.?"

But you are not really interested in the truth apparantly.... just your one
truth.



Still can't get the smile of my face. If
there is one animal that is living on the plains and woodland than it is
the wildebeest. Even in the Crater, Corné. You've ever been there (I
question) and visited the Forest?



Well, here is my point again: if people don't appreciate sightings of (one
of the biggest) bull elephants in the Forest of the Crater, then what the
heck are they doing there?
Keep smiling Gerald, hope you have a nice and adventureous live!


With a big smile and a cold black lable...

Corné.
Amukela Game Lodge.
www.amukela.com


Oh yeah.... 1997 first visit to the Crater. Did you ever read Grzimek's
book? Or is your reading limited to Playboy...(nights can be lonely Gerald,
especially overland guides...haha....).




Corné Wrote:
"Gerald" schreef in bericht
...-

What a smartass answers are been giving here.-

And you're the next one...



--
Gerald



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Old August 21st, 2005, 12:30 PM
Corné
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OK Mr. Serious:
I've just returned from Zambia via the Caprivi and along the tar
road are numerous beware signboards stating "elephants crossing".
I didn't see any, so could you tell me what's happening there too ?

Oh wait, the answer is ......
Ag, nevermind.



Exactly Jona, my point!

Corné.

www.amukela.com


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Old August 21st, 2005, 02:24 PM
Liz
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In message
pootdi-2 wrote:

Marc Lurie wrote:


For good game viewing, I have yet to find better than Kruger Nat. Park
in South Africa.


Well Chobe in Botswana and etosha in namibia are at pare with Kruger


I was pretty underwhelmed by Etosha, in terms of the numbers of
animals, but maybe July is a poor time to visit - it certainly seemed
to be for birds (southern winter) - or maybe July 2003 was less great
than usual. It was very difficult to decide whether to stay at a
waterhole for some time (we waited over two hours at one and saw only
a couple of Springbok) or whether to keep moving on to try others -
the best one 'on the day' was the one which my guidebook said was
"poor for sightings"!

Equally, and I can't say from experience, maybe recently in Ngorongoro
was less good than usual: as has already been suggested on this
thread, there can be a lot of variety not only between months but from
year to year, usually linked to weather conditions.


In only two July days in the Ngorongoro crater (way back in 1998, but
I haven't read anywhere else of a worsening pattern of sightings; our
visit was just after an El Nino event) we saw:

Mammals

African Elephant
Black Rhinocerous
Black-backed Jackal
Black-faced Vervet
Cape Buffalo
Coke's Hartebeest
Common Zebra
Defassa Waterbuck
Golden Jackal
Grant's Gazelle
Hippopotamus
Lion
Spotted Hyaena
Thomson's Gazelle
Warthog
Wildebeest

Birds

African Hoopoe
African Marsh Harrier
Anteater Chat
Augur Buzzard
Avocet
Black Crake
Black Kite
Black-bellied Bustard
Black-headed Heron
Black-winged Stilt
Blacksmith Plover
Blue-eared Starling
Cape Teal
Capped Wheatear
Cattle Egret
Common Bulbul
Common Moorhen
Common Ostrich
Crested Guineafowl
Crowned Plover
Egyptian Goose
Fan-tailed Widow-bird
Fiscal Shrike
Fischer's Sparrow Lark
Greater Flamingo
Greater Painted-Snipe
Grey Crowned-Crane
Grey-headed Gull
Grey-rumped Swallow
Hamerkop
Helmeted Guineafowl
Hildebrandt's Starling
Hottentot Teal
Jackson's Francolin
Kittlitz's Plover
Kori Bustard
Lappet-faced Vulture
Lesser Flamingo
Little Bee-eater
Little Grebe
Little Swift
Montagu's Harrier
Pied Avocet
Red-billed Duck
Red-billed Firefinch
Red-billed Oxpecker
Red-capped Lark
Red-eyed Dove
Red-winged Bush-lark
Red-winged Starling
Rufous-tailed Weaver
Sacred Ibis
Schalow's Wheatear
Secretary Bird
Speckled Mousebird
Speckled Pigeon
Superb Starling
Tawny Eagle
Three-Banded Plover
Whiskered Tern
Wattled Starling
White-backed Vulture
White-browed Coucal
White-naped Raven
Yellow-billed Egret

Plus two enormous, entwined, African Pythons.


Mammals & birds seen in the Ngorongoro Conservation Area,
but not in the caldera itself:

Mammals

Impala
Masai Giraffe


Birds
African Open-billed Stork
Cape Robin-Chat
Fulvous Whistling-Duck
Golden-winged Starling
Great Egret
Grey Heron
Grey-backed Cameroptera
Hooded Vulture
Masked Weaver
Red-billed Buffalo-Weaver
Spur-winged Goose
Stonechat
Streaky Seed-eater
Tropical Boubou
White Stork
White-eyed Slaty-Flycatcher


It's well-documented that you don't get Giraffe (?or Impala?) in the
caldera, and only a few older bull elephants, mostly in the Lerai
Forest area.

Slainte

Liz
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Kenya; Tanzania; Namibia; India; Seychelles; Galapagos
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http://www.v-liz.com/g8rally/protest.htm
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Old August 21st, 2005, 09:31 PM
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Hmmm, sorry Corné. Didn’t know you were this sick.

Some looks at other postings from you did give me the diagnose I need.

Obvious Amukela is infected with its owner and there isn’t a cure.

Yes, there’s one. Recommend the World to let Amukela and its owner out of any itinerary.

Rest my case

Gerald




Quote:
Originally Posted by Corné
Dear Gerald,

thanks for your contribution.

"I see to many smart
assess who think they know the bush after travelling for some weeks a
year to Africa. "

My conclusions are that you look every day in the mirror? Yep Gerald, beeing
10 years driving around in Africa makes some people for sure arrogant. Like
the initial response: ' smartass answers ' .... how can we be so stupid?
Knowing that you have all the NON-smartass answers...!! Remember next time
we might even e-mail you our reactions, so you can decide which ones are too
'smartass answers' and will not be publiced.

The thing that's the most annoying is that Corné (with his little
advertisements in the group) gives these stoning answers. He is living
in the bush and is giving these answers to the World?


The most annoying are the shallow visions of overland guides. They have seen
the light apparantley.....But somewhere they seem to be a bit frustrated, or
pehaps they don't have the knowledge (and guts) to settle down in the bush?



"Please, don't keep in touch..." is the arrogance in its self. And at
the same time he is promoting his self. How .. can you be? People are
not that stupid Corné.


Reading is difficult sometimes, isn't? This was just a reaction to the
original authors signature, who wrote 'Please, don't keep in touch..."
Indeed it is arrogant, but that's what I wanted to make clear here.




Be sure Corné I won't promote your kind.



Damn!! And I need your promotion activities so hard....Well I think I can
close down my lodge now.....


But surely you have lost some
clients now, now that you tell your clients to be that wildebeest are
moving to the forest to graze.



Remember I am not running some backpackerslodge.... Why do you think I have
lost some clients now? Sure if it is about the knowledge of Africa they will
come with you Gerald.
Aha? Now you are even telling lies? I cannot remember that I wrote something
stupid like wildebeest moving to the forests to graze....?? But Gerarld,
that is clearly your style of doing things.

This is EXACTLY what I wrote: " Ever heard about that the game moves into
the forests to graze, look for
shade etc.?"

But you are not really interested in the truth apparantly.... just your one
truth.



Still can't get the smile of my face. If
there is one animal that is living on the plains and woodland than it is
the wildebeest. Even in the Crater, Corné. You've ever been there (I
question) and visited the Forest?



Well, here is my point again: if people don't appreciate sightings of (one
of the biggest) bull elephants in the Forest of the Crater, then what the
heck are they doing there?
Keep smiling Gerald, hope you have a nice and adventureous live!


With a big smile and a cold black lable...

Corné.
Amukela Game Lodge.
www.amukela.com


Oh yeah.... 1997 first visit to the Crater. Did you ever read Grzimek's
book? Or is your reading limited to Playboy...(nights can be lonely Gerald,
especially overland guides...haha....).




Corné Wrote:
"Gerald" schreef in bericht
...-

What a smartass answers are been giving here.-

And you're the next one...



--
Gerald
 




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