Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport

James A. Donald wrote:
Living standards rose by an extraordinary amount at the
start of the industrial revolution.

"brique"
The living standards of the employers rose tremendously.

James A. Donald:
The living standards of the workers rose tremendously, as Gladstone's
data showed.

"brique"
Cite please.

Re read up thread - I gave the cite.



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James A. Donald
The bottom line of all these comparisons is that
capitalism makes people rich and free,

Ray Fischer
That's a known falsehood. Capitalism concentrates
wealth into the hands of a very few, leaving the
majority poor and with few freedoms.

Nathan Folkert:
I have never seen any city in which wealth was
concentrated in the hands of fewer people, and the
majority were more generally poor and had fewer
freedoms, than Havana, Cuba.

Ray Fischer
You've never seen a city with pure capitalism.

We have seen some cities with pretty close to pure
socialism.

Further, we have seen some cities that were not all that
far from pure capitalism, for example Hong Kong.

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James A. Donald:
The court rejected the initial display as not
culturally diverse enough. The city had to have
second go. In order to have the Christmas display,
they had to go to court twice and do all the
cultural diversity stuff. Who can afford all that
time, energy, legal fees, and aggravation?

Mike Hunt
Do you think Jersey City is better off financially
than Seattle?

No one is prepared to go through what Jersey city went
through just for a christmas display. Jersey city would
have canceled christmas if they had foreseen how much
trouble and cost they were going to encounter. They did
not expect to be sued the first time, and they did not
expect to be sued the second time.

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On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:18:20 -0500, "Sancho Panza"
Better you should offer any citation whatsoever of
your original propositon about one circuit's decisons
being inviolable precedent for all others.

Never claimed it was *inviolable* precedent, but the
court is supposed to show respect for precedent. If the
third has issued a permanent injunction, you have a
pretty good prospect of getting the same injunction out
of the ninth.

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Hatunen
A lot of people seem to equate "not favoring my
religion" as "hostile to religion".

You guys seem to see Christians everywhere, the way some
people see Jews everywhere.

Christmas is not in fact a Christian celebration, and
for the most part it is not Christians who defend it.
Certainly in this thread it has not been Christians
defending it.

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"James A. Donald"
They are supposed to be respected by the ninth
circuit, and the ninth circuit is generally more
hostile to the religion than the third circuit, and
the lawsuit in itself would have been a punishment
and deterrent.

"Sancho Panza"
That's completely fallacious. Look at what is
happening in the Sixth Circuit in Brooks v. City of
Oak Ridge.

The friendship bell is not Buddhist. The menorah is
Jewish.

An insidious way to transform a collegial conference
into "a reprimand."

The collegial conference told him to cut it out.

The proof of the error is that the rabbi is proceeding
with his plans for next year. And that is with no
"reprimand."

The plan was litigation. The plan was to create a
problem, to create grief, expense, and disruption. No
litigation, no problem.

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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
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James A. Donald:
Courts are supposed to show respect for the findings
of other courts, and regardless of what the court
would have found, the lawsuit itself would have been
a punishment and deterrent.

Mike Hunt.
What lawsuit? The rabbi didn't threaten a lawsuit.

First, the rabbi did threaten a lawsuit:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/10/air....ap/index.html
: : He had hired a lawyer and threatened to sue
: : if the Port of Seattle didn't add the menorah
: : next to the trees, which had been festooned
: : with red ribbons and bows.
Secondly, had he got what he was asking for, a lawsuit
would have followed, which the airport would almost
certainly have lost.

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On 21-Dec-2006, wrote:

Still not getting me - Where I live, the christians don't have
anything
to do with Passover, period. Nothing to do with their religion
whatsoever.
They don't believe that one has anything to do with the other. Now
do you get understand what I was getting at?

No, I do not understand what you're getting at. Whether they want to
think Easter has nothing to do with Passover is irrelevant. Historical
evidence -- such as the fact that the majority of the Christian world
calls these two holidays by the same name -

No, they DON'T.

I have plenty of Xian relatives and never once has any of them
ever called easter Passover!!
Your post is the first time I have ever even heard of such a thing.

Susan

On 21-Dec-2006, "Sancho Panza" wrote:

The point is that some posters claimed that no one could possibly
celebrate an historically Christian holiday unless they were
delusionally pretending to be Christian.

No come to mind. Name one.

He is twisting what I said.
I said that it was posters who were trying to force other people
to celebrate Xmas was the one *wanting* everyone to at least
pretend to be Xian.

Yet I suspect that most of
these posters, who presumably do not celebrate Christmas, probably do
celebrate these other holidays and yet neither pretend to be Christian
nor even recognize the Christianity of the holidays.

Supsect all you want. That seems to be a major activity here.


No one who was
making such claims a few days ago has fessed up to engaging in such
celebrations, which a curious silence, though probably flavia does
observe Thanksgiving

Of course I do, it being an American non-demoninational (in the best sense
of the word) holiday

, because she demonstrates pretty high levels of
cognitive dissonance

see below...

surrounding that holiday's Christian roots.

Psychoanalyze all you want.

More like utright lie.
I know the history of the hooliday and he does not.
It was NEVER INSITUTED AS A JESUS FEST.

That seems to be yet another major activity
here. And just about as useful as the prior one.

On 21-Dec-2006, "PTravel" wrote:

"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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I hate to break it to you but you have probably shown the highest level
of cultural bigotry in this thread.

And I hate to say it, but ad hominem attacks don't constitute discussion,
much less argument.

Especially ones based on lies.

Susan