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February 26th, 2004, 07:55 PM
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Carrying oxygen onboard
This topic has come up a few times on A&E's "Airline" series... on more that
one episode, they've prevented passengers who require oxgen (for medical purposes) from boarding the aircraft and have stated that it is against their policy to allow oxygen onboard as it might explode. This is all well and good and may very well be true, but: 1. In one of the episodes, they suggested that the passenger try another airline (they didn't specify one) that might have a different policy -- is Southwest the only airline that cares about an explosion? Surely not... 2. Obviously they have oxgen on board already -- otherwise, what comes out of those little masks they make such a point of demonstrating every time they take off...? So something's not quite right here -- can anyone explain this apparent contradiction? Thanks 
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February 26th, 2004, 08:41 PM
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News Reader wrote:
1. In one of the episodes, they suggested that the passenger try another airline (they didn't specify one) that might have a different policy -- is Southwest the only airline that cares about an explosion? Surely not... They all have the same policy, since it is part of FAA regulations 2. Obviously they have oxgen on board already -- otherwise, what comes out of those little masks they make such a point of demonstrating every time they take off...? They do not store oxygen for the masks. It is a chemical reaction that generates oxygen when it is needed. The flight crew does have bottled oxygen, however. So something's not quite right here -- can anyone explain this apparent contradiction? From your description it sounds like someone was trying to bring their own oxygen equipment on board. No airline allows this. Passengers who need oxygen while in flight have to arrange for it several days in advance through the airline, who will provide oxygen in containers approved for operation in flight. They generally have a special reservation desk that handles this service. They consult with the traveler's doctor to make sure that the proper equipment is provided, and the appropriate rates are set up. If oxygen is needed for a flight connection, it is up to the passenger to arrange for it at the connecting airport. The airline will not provide that service.
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February 27th, 2004, 12:24 AM
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Carrying oxygen onboard
Southwest doesn't permit oxygen on board, but most other airlines (i.e.,
majors) do. "News Reader" wrote in message s.com... This topic has come up a few times on A&E's "Airline" series... on more that one episode, they've prevented passengers who require oxgen (for medical purposes) from boarding the aircraft and have stated that it is against their policy to allow oxygen onboard as it might explode. This is all well and good and may very well be true, but: 1. In one of the episodes, they suggested that the passenger try another airline (they didn't specify one) that might have a different policy -- is Southwest the only airline that cares about an explosion? Surely not... 2. Obviously they have oxgen on board already -- otherwise, what comes out of those little masks they make such a point of demonstrating every time they take off...? So something's not quite right here -- can anyone explain this apparent contradiction? Thanks
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February 29th, 2004, 01:20 PM
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Carrying oxygen onboard
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:23:52 GMT mtravelkay wrote:
:News Reader wrote: : This topic has come up a few times on A&E's "Airline" series... on more that : one episode, they've prevented passengers who require oxgen (for medical : purposes) from boarding the aircraft and have stated that it is against : their policy to allow oxygen onboard as it might explode. : This is all well and good and may very well be true, but: : 1. In one of the episodes, they suggested that the passenger try another : airline (they didn't specify one) that might have a different policy -- is : Southwest the only airline that cares about an explosion? Surely not... : 2. Obviously they have oxgen on board already -- otherwise, what comes out : of those little masks they make such a point of demonstrating every time : they take off...? : So something's not quite right here -- can anyone explain this apparent : contradiction? :Southwest policy is clearly stated and is located at :http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/medications.html :Some airlines will provide oxygen if you tell them in advance. :I suspect WN doesn't want to deal with the logistics involved. Very surprised that they have the choice. I would expect someone could sue them under the ADA. -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com
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February 29th, 2004, 04:14 PM
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Binyamin Dissen muttered....
Very surprised that they have the choice. I would expect someone could sue them under the ADA. IIRC, airlines are specifically excepted from compliance with the ADA statute. In this case, I imagine WN has decided O2 forms a potential hazard in any containers but those approved for use by WN. TMO
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February 29th, 2004, 05:19 PM
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Carrying oxygen onboard
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:10:41 -0800 Morgoth Bauglir wrote:
: On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:23:52 GMT mtravelkay wrote: ::News Reader wrote: :: This topic has come up a few times on A&E's "Airline" series... on more that :: one episode, they've prevented passengers who require oxgen (for medical :: purposes) from boarding the aircraft and have stated that it is against :: their policy to allow oxygen onboard as it might explode. :: This is all well and good and may very well be true, but: :: 1. In one of the episodes, they suggested that the passenger try another :: airline (they didn't specify one) that might have a different policy -- is :: Southwest the only airline that cares about an explosion? Surely not... :: 2. Obviously they have oxgen on board already -- otherwise, what comes out :: of those little masks they make such a point of demonstrating every time :: they take off...? :: So something's not quite right here -- can anyone explain this apparent :: contradiction? ::Southwest policy is clearly stated and is located at ::http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/medications.html ::Some airlines will provide oxygen if you tell them in advance. ::I suspect WN doesn't want to deal with the logistics involved. : Very surprised that they have the choice. : I would expect someone could sue them under the ADA. :The applicable regulations are at :http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...cfr175_02.html :You can read them for yourself. :The short answer is that you cannot carry compressed oxygen on an aircraft :EXCEPT "(7) Oxygen, or any hazardous material used for the generation of :oxygen, for medical use by a passenger, which is furnished by the :aircraft operator in accordance with 14 CFR 121.574 or 135.91" The issue is WN failing to provide it. That seems to be an ADA violation, especially as other airlines seem to be able to do it. -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com
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March 1st, 2004, 12:48 AM
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Carrying oxygen onboard
Morgoth Bauglir wrote:
The issue is WN failing to provide it. No, it's not. That's the question, as far as I'm concerned. Do ADA regulations apply regarding oxygen in flight? They're NOT required to carry passengers that know in advance that they will have an emergency requiring that use. Do they have an exemption? Most other airlines will carry passengers who know in advance that they need supplemental oxygen. Here are some links as examples: http://www.continental.com/travel/sp...ties/other.asp http://www.nwa.com/services/onboard/...spec.shtml#oxy And they aren't PERMITTED to let passengers carry on their own oxygen. If you know you're going to need oxygen during flight, charter a medevac flight. You must have more money than most people to seriously suggest that. Most of the other airlines will arrange for oxygen on their flights for passengers that notify they ahead of time, so the passenger should go to one of them. We all know that anyone can file a lawsuit for anything at any time; but suing an airline for complying with Federal Law is unlikely to withstand a 12(b) (Failure to state a claim) motion. The question is whether they comply with the ADA law, not FAA regulations about oxygen.
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March 1st, 2004, 10:06 AM
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Binyamin Dissen wrote:
Very surprised that they have the choice. I would expect someone could sue them under the ADA. If they had to comply with ADA, they wouldn't be charging large people double, since quite courts have ruled obesity to be a disability. Airlines are exempt from ADA.
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#9
March 1st, 2004, 10:26 AM
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Carrying oxygen onboard
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:48:04 GMT in rec.travel.air, James
Robinson wrote: That's the question, as far as I'm concerned. Do ADA regulations apply regarding oxygen in flight? no. airlines are specifically exempt from the ADA.
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