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The Euro at $1.55
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:01:14 +0100, Dusty Furtile Morrocan
wrote: On the particular moment of Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:20:27 -0700 in relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, Hatunen put forth: On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:24:53 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Mxsmanic wrote: Hatunen writes: Problem for whom? Many financial organizations in Europe, and some EU governemnts, think the euro has risen too far, too fast. But the euro has not risen; the dollar has fallen. That's an important distinction. One I was also trying to make - but it fell on deaf ears. Why is this distinction important, and how and to whom? It's important to Americans, because a rising Euro would make one part of the world more expensive, while a fallen dollar makes nearly everywhere more expensive. But equally importantly, it makes American goods cheaper to the rest of the world, increasing American exports and creating more jobs, etc. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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The Euro at $1.55
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:29:51 -0700,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Hatunen wrote: On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:24:53 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Mxsmanic wrote: Hatunen writes: Problem for whom? Many financial organizations in Europe, and some EU governemnts, think the euro has risen too far, too fast. But the euro has not risen; the dollar has fallen. That's an important distinction. One I was also trying to make - but it fell on deaf ears. Why is this distinction important, and how and to whom? Perhaps as an indicator of whose economy is failing and whose flourishing? Whose economy is flourishing when the price of its goods sold to America increases? -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:07:22 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote: Hatunen writes: http://phoenix.about.com/od/transbus/a/lightrail.htm Looks like it's too little, too late. Unfortunately the layout of the city has historically been dictated by the assumption that people will move about in private vehicles; there isn't any way to build a constrained mass transit system such as light rail that can provide even a small fraction of the same coverage. Even buses cannot provide it. Park and Ride doesn't help unless you have individual vehicles waiting at each end, and if you have that, much of the advantage of the mass transit system is negated. I know. It seems to be a case of "Don't just stand there, do something". Add to this the extreme climate, and it's hard to see how such a system can ultimately succeed without a significant redesign of the metropolitan area. A light rail system like that can't flourish unless: 1. Trains are frequent enough that a schedule is not needed. 2. Stops are accessible from points further away, either by bus or car with Park and Ride lots. No one is going to walk to the LRT stop in Phoenix' summer weather. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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The Euro at $1.55
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:03:50 +0100, Dusty Furtile Morrocan
wrote: On the particular moment of Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:23:10 -0700 in relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, Hatunen put forth: On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:23:34 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: It's getting to a point where they CAN'T - and it will be a definite problem in the American Southwest, where "public transportation" is largely non-existent! That's silly. They'll just start buying more economical cars, like they did during the gas crisis some decades ago. And there's transit in the southwest. Why, Phoenix is inaugurating its new light rail system, isn't it? By roughly how much are they expecting car usage to drop? Damned if I know. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:57:23 -0700 (PDT), Señor Castro
wrote: On 15 Mar, 13:35, Mxsmanic wrote: Dusty Furtile Morrocan writes: Did you round up or down the least significant digit? I rounded up, motivated by my natural optimism. Of course a simple light rail system won't have any great effect, but it seems to be a popular choice for local governments everywhere (even here in Genova), despite that they rarely bring much benefit. It would be much cheaper to carve bicycle lanes of various roads, and would probably be used more. Not the bicycles would be so great in the furnace of Phoenix in summer. The problem of cities like Phoenix is that they just aren't laid out to favor any form of collective transportation. Their design assumes that everyone will have a personal vehicle. Once this assumption takes root and guides the development of the area for more than half a century, there isn't really any way to change it. One compromise would be to build mass transit in specific areas and encourage development around it, so that you might eventually have a dense city center or residential/business district that can profit from mass transit, with no need for cars. But Phoenix doesn't really have any area suitable for that experiment; even downtown areas are sparsely occupied compared to other cities, and they additionally do not have the proper mix of business and residential space. If fuel problems ever progress to the point that driving individual vehicles becomes truly not feasible or perhaps even impossible, cities like Phoenix and Los Angeles may wither and die, except for one or two core areas that will redevelop into Manhattan-style neighborhoods. don't they have bicycles ? Phoenix Metro has temperatures of 115F/46C in the summer. It also sprawls some 100km across. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:50:09 +0100, Alfred Molon
wrote: In article , Dusty Furtile Morrocan says... Much of the USA has been built around the assumption that cars will be available to all forever. That demand is enormous, and unless the USA's middle classes are going to be decimated, a way will have to found to maintain this mode of transport. It's just a matter of finding a cheap and clean source of energy (perhaps fusion reactors?). Then switch to electrical cars and the problem of individual transportation is solved. Oh. Easy, then. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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"Hatunen" kirjoitti om... But equally importantly, it makes American goods cheaper to the rest of the world, increasing American exports and creating more jobs, etc. Unless European institutions insist that Americans are dumping prices of the export goods and introduce hefty tolls at borders and ration import. This has been a common instrument in the USA when dollar has been expensive relative to the European currencies. |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:39:55 +0200, Markku Grönroos
wrote: "Hatunen" kirjoitti viestissä:8o1ot39nf2u4kkmu1jbn0uloclvhucssnh@4ax. com... But equally importantly, it makes American goods cheaper to the rest of the world, increasing American exports and creating more jobs, etc. Unless European institutions insist that Americans are dumping prices of the export goods and introduce hefty tolls at borders and ration import. This has been a common instrument in the USA when dollar has been expensive relative to the European currencies. Which has what to do with when the dollar is cheap relative to European currencies? -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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"Hatunen" kirjoitti om... On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:39:55 +0200, Markku Grönroos wrote: "Hatunen" kirjoitti viestissä:8o1ot39nf2u4kkmu1jbn0uloclvhucssnh@4ax .com... But equally importantly, it makes American goods cheaper to the rest of the world, increasing American exports and creating more jobs, etc. Unless European institutions insist that Americans are dumping prices of the export goods and introduce hefty tolls at borders and ration import. This has been a common instrument in the USA when dollar has been expensive relative to the European currencies. Which has what to do with when the dollar is cheap relative to European currencies? Read the first sentence once again. With thought this time. You almost got it in one. |
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"Hatunen" wrote in message
... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:01:14 +0100, Dusty Furtile Morrocan wrote: On the particular moment of Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:20:27 -0700 in relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, Hatunen put forth: On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:24:53 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Mxsmanic wrote: Hatunen writes: Problem for whom? Many financial organizations in Europe, and some EU governemnts, think the euro has risen too far, too fast. But the euro has not risen; the dollar has fallen. That's an important distinction. One I was also trying to make - but it fell on deaf ears. Why is this distinction important, and how and to whom? It's important to Americans, because a rising Euro would make one part of the world more expensive, while a fallen dollar makes nearly everywhere more expensive. But equally importantly, it makes American goods cheaper to the rest of the world, increasing American exports and creating more jobs, etc. That may well have been so until a generation or so back, but nowadays you import everything from China. What American goods did you have in mind? -- JohnT |
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