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"But, right, these are not the areas a foreign tourist would be
interested in visiting!" I went to Chateau Rouge and Barbes, and found both to be interesting experiences. |
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"And there are certainly non-observant Jews who eat pork. Plenty."
True. There are many non-observant Muslims who drink alcohol. |
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"Iceman" wrote in message oups.com... "And there are certainly non-observant Jews who eat pork. Plenty." True. There are many non-observant Muslims who drink alcohol. There are many observant atheists who don't drink alcohol nor eat pork. |
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Iceman wrote: Which is understandable, since Muslims are economically and politically marginalized in France, and many of them feel alienated from the mainstream of French society. That seems to be their own choice, insisting on wearing veils, enslaving their wives and daughters, etc etc etc. G; |
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Martin wrote:
On 10 Sep 2005 02:45:42 -0700, wrote: Iceman wrote: Which is understandable, since Muslims are economically and politically marginalized in France, and many of them feel alienated from the mainstream of French society. That seems to be their own choice, insisting on wearing veils, Odd that nobody has banned nuns from dressing the way they do in Catholic schools. I thought that Catholic schools were mostly private in France? They wouldn't have been affected by the ban, just as a private muslim school wouldn't be. That said, hardly any of the latter, though that might change as a result of the ban- which you could argue is counter-productive- i.e. when the aim is meant to be better integration. -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer |
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On 9 Sep 2005 13:04:34 -0700, "Iceman" wrote:
Which is understandable, since Muslims are economically and politically marginalized in France, and many of them feel alienated from the mainstream of French society. This is just as much the fault of Muslims in France as anyone else. If they don't integrate over time, they can expect to be marginalised. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
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Martin writes:
Odd that nobody has banned nuns from dressing the way they do in Catholic schools. Catholic schools are not operated or paid for by the state, and nobody is required to attend them. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy writes: I thought that Catholic schools were mostly private in France? All Catholic school are private; that's why they are called Catholic, and not public. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Martin writes:
The ban on traditional dress is a type of discrimination. The ban is on religious dress, not traditional dress. There is nothing traditional about veils on the head or black garments that completely conceal the body, anyway. If the aim is really better integration, then it is misguided. What would you suggest? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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DDT Filled Mormons writes:
This is just as much the fault of Muslims in France as anyone else. If they don't integrate over time, they can expect to be marginalised. Exactly. Of course, there are many fully integrated Muslims in France. Nobody notices them precisely _because_ they are fully integrated. Overally, France is a secular state. Anyone with strong religious beliefs and obvious religious practices will thus tend to be marginalized, just as anyone who speaks only, say, Dutch will tend to be marginalized (because the national language is French). -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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