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How will the color coding scheme work?
Does anyone know what criteria will be used for the proposed color
coding scheme for identifying risky air passengers? Anyone have a complete list of what will make someone a "yellow" or a "red"? I have heard that somehow credit ratings will be factored in. Someone with maxed out credit cards is considered a terrorist? That seems ludicrous and too wide in scope; given the average amount of credit card debt nowadays, too many people would get flagged. I've also heard that US criminal records will be used. While this makes some sense, the fact is that the vast majority of US criminals (domestic) are not interested in the airline. They just want to go from Point A to Point B to meet with other criminals, sell contraband, etc. Would you rather sit next to John Gotti with a mile-long record on the plane or next to an Islamic extremist who has only been in the country for less than a year and thus has no arrest record at all? Wouldn't it make more sense to issue "Red" to someone who shows up on CIA/Interpol terrorist lists? Is that how it's going to be done? I would hope so. Interested in any info anyone has. |
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How will the color coding scheme work?
There's a guy named Bill who will constitute BLACK and used to fly a lot.
A few hundred of us other troublemakers will be RED. Anyone known to have personally constructed or set off a bomb will be YELLOW. Any associates of the above will bee CHARTREUSE (they haven't figured out that is two colors). and so on. FFM viktor wrote: Does anyone know what criteria will be used for the proposed color coding scheme for identifying risky air passengers? Anyone have a complete list of what will make someone a "yellow" or a "red"? I have heard that somehow credit ratings will be factored in. Someone with maxed out credit cards is considered a terrorist? That seems ludicrous and too wide in scope; given the average amount of credit card debt nowadays, too many people would get flagged. I've also heard that US criminal records will be used. While this makes some sense, the fact is that the vast majority of US criminals (domestic) are not interested in the airline. They just want to go from Point A to Point B to meet with other criminals, sell contraband, etc. Would you rather sit next to John Gotti with a mile-long record on the plane or next to an Islamic extremist who has only been in the country for less than a year and thus has no arrest record at all? Wouldn't it make more sense to issue "Red" to someone who shows up on CIA/Interpol terrorist lists? Is that how it's going to be done? I would hope so. Interested in any info anyone has. |
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How will the color coding scheme work?
Are we all supposed to wear a color star on our lapel to signal our color
codes? "Frank F. Matthews" wrote in message ... There's a guy named Bill who will constitute BLACK and used to fly a lot. A few hundred of us other troublemakers will be RED. Anyone known to have personally constructed or set off a bomb will be YELLOW. Any associates of the above will bee CHARTREUSE (they haven't figured out that is two colors). and so on. FFM viktor wrote: Does anyone know what criteria will be used for the proposed color coding scheme for identifying risky air passengers? Anyone have a complete list of what will make someone a "yellow" or a "red"? I have heard that somehow credit ratings will be factored in. Someone with maxed out credit cards is considered a terrorist? That seems ludicrous and too wide in scope; given the average amount of credit card debt nowadays, too many people would get flagged. I've also heard that US criminal records will be used. While this makes some sense, the fact is that the vast majority of US criminals (domestic) are not interested in the airline. They just want to go from Point A to Point B to meet with other criminals, sell contraband, etc. Would you rather sit next to John Gotti with a mile-long record on the plane or next to an Islamic extremist who has only been in the country for less than a year and thus has no arrest record at all? Wouldn't it make more sense to issue "Red" to someone who shows up on CIA/Interpol terrorist lists? Is that how it's going to be done? I would hope so. Interested in any info anyone has. |
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How will the color coding scheme work?
Peter L wrote:
Are we all supposed to wear a color star on our lapel to signal our color codes? Yes, but it must be a 6 pointed star. After all, big brother needs to know who the ones "outside the box" are. |
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mrtravel wrote in message m...
Peter L wrote: Are we all supposed to wear a color star on our lapel to signal our color codes? Yes, but it must be a 6 pointed star. After all, big brother needs to know who the ones "outside the box" are. And colored yellow too. Chinese, othe other hand, will be handed a big five point red star. Japanese will be given a patch with a red ball, etc... But realistically, if there is such a scheme, it invariably boils down to race. Or how you look to the security personnel. Sad to say in this post 9/11 day and age people of Arabic decent will suffer. And so do all those from muslim and borderline muslim countries. Because they will be judged by a different set of criteria for sucurity purposes. Has anyone forgotten the Japanese internment camps during WWII? Or the recent racial profiling by NJ State Troopers? Let's keep the subject matter to air travel... |
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"Yaofeng" wrote in message
om... mrtravel wrote in message m... Peter L wrote: Are we all supposed to wear a color star on our lapel to signal our color codes? Yes, but it must be a 6 pointed star. After all, big brother needs to know who the ones "outside the box" are. And colored yellow too. Chinese, othe other hand, will be handed a big five point red star. Japanese will be given a patch with a red ball, etc... But realistically, if there is such a scheme, it invariably boils down to race. Or how you look to the security personnel. Sad to say in this post 9/11 day and age people of Arabic decent will suffer. And so do all those from muslim and borderline muslim countries. Because they will be judged by a different set of criteria for sucurity purposes. This is true but then again, white Christians generally tend to not be Al Qieda (however you spell that **** group's name) members. Bin Laden doesn't seem to want Jews either. Let's see, who flew planes into buildings and the ground? Not orientals, not black people, not above mentioned whites.... that leaves Arab Muslims doesn't it? Now if you're looking for likely terrorists by religion, whom do you look to? Not Buhdists, Hindus, (the list goes on to the obvious) etc. That leaves Muslims. We use logic and again we come to Arab Muslims as the most like to do something sick don't we? Remember how they were dancing in the streets 9/11 in the middle East? That took any last symphany I had for any of em totally away. Once again, sorry but those are facts as well as my personal feelings. Defend them if you will, I certainly won't Has anyone forgotten the Japanese internment camps during WWII? Or the recent racial profiling by NJ State Troopers? How is that relavent to what's going on today? No one here has been interred. As to profiling, who the **** would you look at? If the shoe fits... Let's keep the subject matter to air travel... Color coding is the subject and it is a "matter" pertaining to air travel. Safety is an issue for all of us and again, who was it who killed all of the air travels (among all of the others) on 9/11? Any air traveler should be prepared to rush any future high jacker and give up their life to save others if necessary. We can no longer be passive travelers. Yankee Bob Flush Bush in 2004 |
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viktor wrote: Anyone have a complete list of what will make someone a "yellow" or a "red"? I have heard that somehow credit ratings will be factored in. Someone with maxed out credit cards is considered a terrorist? That seems ludicrous and too wide in scope; given the average amount of credit card debt nowadays, too many people would get flagged. Wouldn't it make more sense to issue "Red" to someone who shows up on CIA/Interpol terrorist lists? Is that how it's going to be done? I would hope so. In the April 2003 issue of Mens Journal, on page 89, there is an analysis of how the data given in making the 9/11 airline reservations could have been used in theory to prevent the plot from succeeding. That provides the justification for the CAPPS-II data-mining proposal. Two of the hijackers used names that were on immigration/intelligence lists. All the other hijackers used addresses, phone numbers, credit cards, and/or frequent flyer numbers (!) that were shared either with those two "known terrorists" or with the hijackers linked to those known terrorists. So, the point of mining the credit card data isn't to see whether the credit is maxed out; it's to see whether the credit card number, name, address, and/or phone number provide any "interesting" linkages. Unfortunately, it's mostly an expensive exercise in barn-door-locking. Expensive not just in implementation cost, but in anti-terrorist resources, in privacy, and in travellers' time. -- Randy Hudson |
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How will the color coding scheme work?
"Rojosh" wrote in message . ..
"Yaofeng" wrote in message om... mrtravel wrote in message m... Peter L wrote: Are we all supposed to wear a color star on our lapel to signal our color codes? Yes, but it must be a 6 pointed star. After all, big brother needs to know who the ones "outside the box" are. And colored yellow too. Chinese, othe other hand, will be handed a big five point red star. Japanese will be given a patch with a red ball, etc... But realistically, if there is such a scheme, it invariably boils down to race. Or how you look to the security personnel. Sad to say in this post 9/11 day and age people of Arabic decent will suffer. And so do all those from muslim and borderline muslim countries. Because they will be judged by a different set of criteria for sucurity purposes. This is true but then again, white Christians generally tend to not be Al Qieda (however you spell that **** group's name) members. Bin Laden doesn't seem to want Jews either. Let's see, who flew planes into buildings and the ground? Not orientals, not black people, not above mentioned whites.... that leaves Arab Muslims doesn't it? Now if you're looking for likely terrorists by religion, whom do you look to? Not Buhdists, Hindus, (the list goes on to the obvious) etc. That leaves Muslims. We use logic and again we come to Arab Muslims as the most like to do something sick don't we? Remember how they were dancing in the streets 9/11 in the middle East? That took any last symphany I had for any of em totally away. Once again, sorry but those are facts as well as my personal feelings. Defend them if you will, I certainly won't Has anyone forgotten the Japanese internment camps during WWII? Or the recent racial profiling by NJ State Troopers? How is that relavent to what's going on today? No one here has been interred. As to profiling, who the **** would you look at? If the shoe fits... Can you imagine yourself being an American of Middle East decent, maybe even born in this country, Muslim, law abiding, abhor the 9/11 terrorist act just like the rest of us do and getting special treatment every where you go? I know you are going to say you are not and you don't give a sh*t how they feel. Let's keep the subject matter to air travel... Color coding is the subject and it is a "matter" pertaining to air travel. Safety is an issue for all of us and again, who was it who killed all of the air travels (among all of the others) on 9/11? Any air traveler should be prepared to rush any future high jacker and give up their life to save others if necessary. We can no longer be passive travelers. Yankee Bob Flush Bush in 2004 I am all for it. |
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How will the color coding scheme work?
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Can you imagine yourself being an American of Middle East decent, maybe even born in this country, Muslim, law abiding, abhor the 9/11 terrorist act just like the rest of us do and getting special treatment every where you go? I know you are going to say you are not and you don't give a sh*t how they feel. (snip) Why are you assuming racial profiling. What the system will look for is something linking a person to a known terrorist group or someone on a watch list. |
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