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When This Flight Attendant Tells You to Sit Down . . .
He Messed With the Wrong Flight Attendant
Lorin Gorman is a fourth-degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do By MICHELLE WAYLAND and GREG BLEDSOE Updated 5:56 AM PST, Mon, Feb 8, 2010 A San Francisco man, accused of forcing a flight to divert because he was high on medical marijuana, picked the wrong flight attendant to freak out on. 51-year-old Lorin Gorman of Chula Vista is a fourth-degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do. Those skills may have averted a serious situation in the air. US-Air flight 1447 was on its way from Philadelphia to San Francisco.Gorman says she noticed Kinman Chan, 30, early in the flight. "He was looking back at me, waving hi," Gorman said of the man in seat 17-C. But soon enough, the passenger became aggressive, Gorman says. "He's banging around, screaming in the back bathroom, he's opened all the compartments," the attendant remembers. According to a criminal complaint, Chan walked out of the bathroom with his pants down."I said, 'You need to sit down now'," Gorman said. He did not. "He went like that with his elbow," Gorman said, bracing her wrist as she threw an elbow at shoulder height. "Well, what I did, I just put him in an arm lock. To get his other arm, I had to jump up on the seat . He was resisting. He was stiff. At that point, I just put him into a choke hold." The plane was diverted to Pittsburgh where Chan was arrested. He told police he'd taken a double dose of his medicinal marijuana, eating two pot cookies before the flight. "After 911, I took special training with my grand master to learn how to deal with small spaces and also what to look for in passengers," Gorman said. "I'm glad I was there." Kinman Chan was charged with disrupting a flight attendant, which can carry a maximum penalty of up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. |
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When This Flight Attendant Tells You to Sit Down . . .
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"Sancho Panza" wrote: seat . He was resisting. He was stiff. At that point, I just put him into a choke hold." For you fans of Joseph Waumbaugh, she made him do the chicken. (g) -- I get off on '57 Chevys I get off on screamin' guitars --Eric Clapton |
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When This Flight Attendant Tells You to Sit Down . . .
Sancho Panza writes:
"... At that point, I just put him into a choke hold." Excessive force. Kinman Chan was charged with disrupting a flight attendant, which can carry a maximum penalty of up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. There is no such crime as "disrupting a flight attendant," at least not in the U.S. Lately it seems that anything other than total obedience to flight attendants is being considered a Federal crime, but that's not how the law is written or intended. |
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When This Flight Attendant Tells You to Sit Down . . .
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Sancho Panza writes: "... At that point, I just put him into a choke hold." Excessive force. Kinman Chan was charged with disrupting a flight attendant, which can carry a maximum penalty of up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. There is no such crime as "disrupting a flight attendant," at least not in the U.S. Lately it seems that anything other than total obedience to flight attendants is being considered a Federal crime, but that's not how the law is written or intended. On many recent flights, they have added at the takeoff safety information that passengers are required to follow all the instructions of the crew. |
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When This Flight Attendant Tells You to Sit Down . . .
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wrote: Lately it seems that anything other than total obedience to flight attendants is being considered a Federal crime, but that's not how the law is written or intended. The answer to such objections is usually "See you in court", after you've been dragged away in chains. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN |
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When This Flight Attendant Tells You to Sit Down . . .
On 8 Feb, 19:40, Bert Hyman wrote:
xsmanic wrote: Lately it seems that anything other than total obedience to flight attendants is being considered a Federal crime, but that's not how the law is written or intended. The answer to such objections is usually "See you in court", after you've been dragged away in chains. -- Bert Hyman * * *St. Paul, MN * you can also 'make their day' by listening to the pre-flight stuff whilst wearing some headphones.....always a winner..... |
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When This Flight Attendant Tells You to Sit Down . . .
Mxsmanic wrote:
There is no such crime as "disrupting a flight attendant," at least not in the U.S. Poor reporting - the correct wording is Interference with a Crew Member in the performance of their duties. 14CFR91.11: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...14cfr91.11.pdf There being a great deal of historical and judicial precedent to define interference as being non-compliance with a crewmember instruction. Lately it seems that anything other than total obedience to flight attendants is being considered a Federal crime, but that's not how the law is written or intended. It's not just considered - it is a Federal felony. The precedent for the law goes back to sea captain days. Plain and simple it doesn’t matter if it is on a plane, train or ship, it's most definitely how the law was written and intended. And it's not just US law. Most western countries follow the same convention. Other less enlightened countries just open the aircraft door and invite you to complete your journey outside. |
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When This Flight Attendant Tells You to Sit Down . . .
Sancho Panza writes:
On many recent flights, they have added at the takeoff safety information that passengers are required to follow all the instructions of the crew. Then they are misinforming passengers. If a crew member tells a black person to get to the back of the airplane, the black person need not follow that instruction. The instructions must be safety-related, not just arbitrary. |
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When This Flight Attendant Tells You to Sit Down . . .
Bert Hyman writes:
The answer to such objections is usually "See you in court", after you've been dragged away in chains. And if you win in court, you make lots of money. If you don't protect your rights, you lose them. |
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When This Flight Attendant Tells You to Sit Down . . .
Robert Neville writes:
Poor reporting - the correct wording is Interference with a Crew Member in the performance of their duties. 14CFR91.11: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...14cfr91.11.pdf There being a great deal of historical and judicial precedent to define interference as being non-compliance with a crewmember instruction. The definition of "duties" is vague, however. The crew member's instructions must be safety related, and his duties are also safety-related. He cannot compel you to kneel on the floor and pray, for example, as this has no legitimate basis in safety and is not part of his duties. It's not just considered - it is a Federal felony. No, it is _considered_. Each case must go to court, and each case must be decided individually. |
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