BA club world bulkhead child seats

Banty wrote:

y, "twice"
- the first time *and* the last time :-)

After that I ticketed him. The only thing was - it was so taken for granted that
an infant would be a lap baby, that on full flights I would have to hold up two
boarding passes for all to see when pax were doing the swap-seat bit. One time
I had a woman upset at me because I wouldn't put my baby in my lap so that she
can sit in his seat to be next to her husband


Maybe you could have put the baby between them, and then went off to the
woman's seat for some rest.

In article ,
Roland Perry wrote:

In message , Jenn
writes
this is an unbelievably short sighted and stupid decision for such a
long trip -- a child this age belongs in his own seat for this type trip
-- it isn't that he is 'under two so he does not get a seat' it is 'he
is under two and I am too greedy to properly provide for him'

Sorry, but as a father of two, who both flew transatlantic when
underage, that's complete nonsense.

They won't let you use a car-seat in the normal seat (unless the
car-seat is FAA approved, which it won't be).

Putting an infant under two into a normal seat is madness - they are
much better off in an airline-provided cot at the parent's feet.

a 22 month old flies fine in a normal seat -- a giant toddler like this
is not going to fit into an airline provided cot at the parent's feet --
and where then do the parents' feet go if a two year old is stretched
out there? a 22 month old is not going to lie down for an entire flight
-- but is going to be squirmy, active, loud and need to be entertained

the result is that other fliers have to contend with a big squirmy
toddler with sticky hands intruding into their space and making their
trip miserable.

a tiny infant might be a lap child on a long flight -- but it is
extraordinarily selfish to try to manage this with a toddler

About bulkhead seats: I tried that and they weren't the boon to parents
travelling with kids they're purported to be (at that time I was only flying
domestic US, though). I dind't have the leg room I need, because the
bulkhead
was closer to the seat than the space I usually have to put my feet under a
seat
in front of me (I'm six foot tall with 34" inseam). Also, since nothing can
be
placed in under the seat in front of me, I had to put just about everything
in
the overheads, and that means a lot of ups and downs and bothering other pax.
Antoher thing I tried and never did again.

Banty


and the bulkhead seats armrests are fixed so a couple can't raise their
armrests and let the child sprawl to sleep across them -- nice to be
able to do on long flights

In article ,
Roland Perry wrote:

In message , Air
writes
You managed to sit a nearly 2 yr old on your lap without it touching the
seat in front? How did you eat?

Maybe I was lucky - always managed to get a bulkhead seat, which the
airlines appear to reserve for this purpose.

I have had toddlers behind me on their parents laps and it's HELL. My
hair got pulled by them grabbing the top of the seat constantly. They
also kicked the chair non stop as there was no room for them to move
without doing so.

Older kids do all of that, when sat in their own seats :-(

it is MUCH easier to make sure kids don't kick seats and pull hair when
they have their own seat -- it is nearly impossible when in a lap --

In article , mrraveltay says...

Banty wrote:

y, "twice"
- the first time *and* the last time :-)

After that I ticketed him. The only thing was - it was so taken for granted that
an infant would be a lap baby, that on full flights I would have to hold up two
boarding passes for all to see when pax were doing the swap-seat bit. One time
I had a woman upset at me because I wouldn't put my baby in my lap so that she
can sit in his seat to be next to her husband


Maybe you could have put the baby between them, and then went off to the
woman's seat for some rest.


LOL! Wonder if they would have gone for that... (of course I wouldn't do it..)

Banty

In message , Jenn
writes
it is MUCH easier to make sure kids don't kick seats and pull hair when
they have their own seat -- it is nearly impossible when in a lap --

I'd have thought it was the reverse. Oh well.
--
Roland Perry

In message , Banty
writes
This I dont' get either. Perhaps things have changed (my son is now 11), but I
brought his car seat onboard with me for every flight until he was three.

[...]

(at that time I was only flying domestic US, though).

Perhaps it was an FAA-approved US-supplied seat? At around that same
time I made enquiries and was told that UK-supplied seats were banned.
--
Roland Perry

*Sigh*

Banty - Perhaps next time before you go calling someone stupid and greedy
you will read their posts more carefully. In my initial post I clearly
stated that I had reserved "one of the child seats (not a bassinet)". In my
next post I reiterated that "BA have reserved one of the child seats for him
free". This is his own seat specifically designed for a child of up to 2
years. Which a BA flat-bed seat is not. See here
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...=&static=y es

The child seat is recommended as the best option by BA. It is very similar
to a car seat, and is designed to fix to a bulkhead. It is the safest
option. Why would I pay £2000 plus for an extra Club World seat just so I
could put a car seat in it when BA provide their own purpose built, safer
option which applies to all the regulations (which my own car seat may not)?
It not stupid or greedy, its common-sense.

Now all lets see if you are big enough to apologise. Anyone think s/he will?

Arty.

PS. If my son manages to kick the seat in front in a 72inch pitch I'm going
to singn him up for a basketball team PDQ!

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:40:34 +0200, Binyamin Dissen
wrote:

[ Snip ]

:You managed to sit a nearly 2 yr old on your lap without it touching the
:seat in front? How did you eat?

Perhaps some peoples stomachs are a lot smaller than yours?

Or perhaps some are in Club World? Like the OP...

[ Snip ]

Perhaps not all have as much money to throw around as you claim to?

Yet the OP had bought two Club World seats...

Malc.

"Highflier" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:26:17 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:


They won't let you use a car-seat in the normal seat (unless the
car-seat is FAA approved, which it won't be).

I would have to double check this, but for a British carrier I'm sure
it would have to be CAA approved and not FAA approved. Like I said, I
will have to check.

The E in a circle marking is the EU equilant marking to the FAA approval.
If the seat has an E, normally E1 mark then it is US airline approved.

BA is one of the most ****y airlines about carseats onboard, usually. The
US carriers have legal requirements (I think) to allow them on board when
seats are free.

The only bassinet seats (and the BA infant car seat fits on the bassinet
base) in CW are the middle back pair on the lower deck. 20 EF as the OP has
been booked in.



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