An end to TSA insanity?

"me" wrote in message
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A few tough questions no one has asked Kerry a

What will you do in Gitmo? Let them go? More of the same? Turn them
over to the courts? UN? Home Countries?
What will you "change" about the Patriot Act?
How about CAPPS II or any similar systems?
No fly lists?
Arrest and detention of US citizens at home, abroad.
Visa and Passport requirements as well as entry restrictions and
requirements.

I wouldn't expect Kerry to change any of the above, if elected. You can
pretty much expect more similar tactics to be implemented over the next 10
or 20 years because politicians have to be able to say they are tough on
terrorism. Only way to do that is to enact new security programs.



But the Bush regime instituted many policies
not to actually add security, but rather to be seen as prortecting
americans
by adding very visible measures. This was needed because the Bush regime
is a
one trick poney: scare the population into wanting a tough military
government
to protect them.

Americans have always wanted a tough military, NOT a "military government".
Why shouldn't we be scared? There are thousands of crazy arabs out there
plotting to kill us. Or is that just something Bush has made up? Are the
homeland security tactics implemented by Bush perfect? No of course not,
there is no perfect way to balance strong homeland security in an open
society.



Remove the political need to **appear** tough, and real experts may be
able
setup the real airport security.

You can't take the politics out of political decisions. What would the
"real experts" do differently? Sure some of the security measures only
"cosmetic", but they are still needed. A lot of the new security measures
will make a big difference.



What you're really saying is that if you take away the political need
not
to "change your mind" or approach in any way for fear of looking
uncertian,
we can learn from the past. That is true of every administration and it
is the most dangerous part about the "flip flop/waffle" charge we hear
in alot of campaigns. It causes positions to harden, instead of being
flexible to change.

Changing positions because of a specific event or new evidence is one thing.
Changing positions on a whim because of a poll, or changing positions so
often that no one can figure out what your position even is, or changing
positions that are based on moral issues, are completely different.

I'm voting for a person based upon what they tell me about themselves before
the election. I don't want that person changing their mind about their
positions unless they have a very good reason. If you're pro-choice you
wouldn't want to elect a candidate that is pro-choice and then have them
change their mind to being pro-life would you?

Matt

"Hagar" wrote in message
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Can you cite a source where John Kerry has said he will get
rid of the no
fly list?

Kerry has pointed out that much of this is window dressing,
completely pointless if you're not going to stop the 3 million
people crossing the US-Mexico border every year, and you aren't
going to check 99% of the containers coming into the USA.


Ok, but like all of Kerry's other issues, he points out the obvious problem,
but offers no solution.

You really think that Kerry will get rid of the no-fly list, or check every
cargo container coming into the US, or build a wall on the US-Mexico border?
Not going to happen under Kerry, or anyone else.

Matt

"Hagar" wrote in message
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Can you cite a source where John Kerry has said he will get
rid of the no
fly list?

Kerry has pointed out that much of this is window dressing,
completely pointless if you're not going to stop the 3 million
people crossing the US-Mexico border every year, and you aren't
going to check 99% of the containers coming into the USA.


Ok, but like all of Kerry's other issues, he points out the obvious problem,
but offers no solution.

You really think that Kerry will get rid of the no-fly list, or check every
cargo container coming into the US, or build a wall on the US-Mexico border?
Not going to happen under Kerry, or anyone else.

Matt

Matt wrote:
You really think that Kerry will get rid of the no-fly list, or check every
cargo container coming into the US, or build a wall on the US-Mexico border?
Not going to happen under Kerry, or anyone else.

OK, lets pretend that Kerry doesn't undo any of the silly stuff done by Bush,
and doesn't implement cargo inspections from ships.

Status quo is still better than allowing the Bush Regime to keep on adding
more measures that will make travel even more difficult, and will make
import/exports more difficult and more costly and further hurt the US
international trade and travel industries.

What the bush regime is doing is transforming the USA into an island.

If the bush regime is re-selected by americans, I would not be surprised to
see Oil priced in euros before the end of the 4 years. Continued volatility of
the USA dollar will force the world to seek a more stable currency with which
to make trades.

The USA has transformed itself from a world leader into a angry kid with a
tamper tantrum who will throw mud at anyone who doesn't give it its candy.
Americans who continue to support the Bush regime have absolutely no clue of
the damage Bush is inflicting on the USA. They don't care able international
issues since they wrongly think that the USA doesn't need any exports to survive.

Can Boeing survive just be selling 737s to Southwest ? If it can't export its
planes, then it will only have one active customer still buying planes in the USA.

Of all the newsgroups on the internet, this is one where all american citizens
should be extremely concerned on the long term impact of the bush regime's
policies on air travel.

In defiance to the Bush Regime, I have just tuned in to a satellite station
that is broadcasting a Cat Stevens song.

If US media were more awake, they would have been broadcasting Plenty of Cat
Stevens Songs the day he was arrested and put in jail overnight as a show of
support of Cat Stevens and defiance of the Bush Regime's policies.

At least Cat Stevens (or whatever is name is this week) would have known that
he still has grass roots support from americans and that it is just the
government gone nuts.

In defiance to the Bush Regime, I have just tuned in to a satellite station
that is broadcasting a Cat Stevens song.

If US media were more awake, they would have been broadcasting Plenty of Cat
Stevens Songs the day he was arrested and put in jail overnight as a show of
support of Cat Stevens and defiance of the Bush Regime's policies.

At least Cat Stevens (or whatever is name is this week) would have known that
he still has grass roots support from americans and that it is just the
government gone nuts.

"nobody" wrote in message
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Matt wrote:
You really think that Kerry will get rid of the no-fly list, or check
every
cargo container coming into the US, or build a wall on the US-Mexico
border?
Not going to happen under Kerry, or anyone else.

OK, lets pretend that Kerry doesn't undo any of the silly stuff done by
Bush,
and doesn't implement cargo inspections from ships.

Status quo is still better than allowing the Bush Regime to keep on adding
more measures that will make travel even more difficult, and will make
import/exports more difficult and more costly and further hurt the US
international trade and travel industries.


Make up your mind.......first you critize Bush because he is not checking
every cargo container coming into the US or watching the US-Mexico border
well enough and say that Kerry would do a better job of that. Then when I
point out that is a silly arguement, you criticize Bush because he might
actually try to do those things.

If Bush found a cure for AIDS you'd criticize him for causing an
overpopulation problem in Africa.

This is exactly the kind of thinking that has made me not care what people
in other countries think about the actions of America. For whatever reason
you have a bug up your butt about us, and nothing we do will ever change
that.


What the bush regime is doing is transforming the USA into an island.
If the bush regime is re-selected by americans, I would not be surprised
to
see Oil priced in euros before the end of the 4 years. Continued
volatility of
the USA dollar will force the world to seek a more stable currency with
which
to make trades.
Americans who continue to support the Bush regime have absolutely no clue
of
the damage Bush is inflicting on the USA. They don't care able
international
issues since they wrongly think that the USA doesn't need any exports to
survive.


blah blah blah....what does that have to do with the presidential election?


Can Boeing survive just be selling 737s to Southwest ? If it can't export
its
planes, then it will only have one active customer still buying planes in
the USA.

That's ok, because Boeing can still get defense contracts creating weapons
that will allow us to go around the world and indiscriminately kill women
and children. That's all we really want to do.

Matt

"nobody" wrote in message
...
In defiance to the Bush Regime, I have just tuned in to a satellite
station
that is broadcasting a Cat Stevens song.

If US media were more awake, they would have been broadcasting Plenty of
Cat
Stevens Songs the day he was arrested and put in jail overnight as a show
of
support of Cat Stevens and defiance of the Bush Regime's policies.

At least Cat Stevens (or whatever is name is this week) would have known
that
he still has grass roots support from americans and that it is just the
government gone nuts.

Cat Stevens has grass roots support from Americans? Are you trying to be
funny?

Only thing Americans know about Cat Stevens is that he wrote a couple of
popular songs many years ago and then went crazy, converted to Islam, and
donated money to organizations that even he admits might have gone to
support terrorists. Take a poll of 1,000 Americans and 950 of them would
say Cat Stevens SHOULD be on the no fly list just for being a kook.

Matt

"nobody" wrote in message
...
In defiance to the Bush Regime, I have just tuned in to a satellite
station
that is broadcasting a Cat Stevens song.

If US media were more awake, they would have been broadcasting Plenty of
Cat
Stevens Songs the day he was arrested and put in jail overnight as a show
of
support of Cat Stevens and defiance of the Bush Regime's policies.

At least Cat Stevens (or whatever is name is this week) would have known
that
he still has grass roots support from americans and that it is just the
government gone nuts.

Cat Stevens has grass roots support from Americans? Are you trying to be
funny?

Only thing Americans know about Cat Stevens is that he wrote a couple of
popular songs many years ago and then went crazy, converted to Islam, and
donated money to organizations that even he admits might have gone to
support terrorists. Take a poll of 1,000 Americans and 950 of them would
say Cat Stevens SHOULD be on the no fly list just for being a kook.

Matt

"nobody" wrote in message
...
In defiance to the Bush Regime, I have just tuned in to a satellite
station
that is broadcasting a Cat Stevens song.

If US media were more awake, they would have been broadcasting Plenty of
Cat
Stevens Songs the day he was arrested and put in jail overnight as a show
of
support of Cat Stevens and defiance of the Bush Regime's policies.

At least Cat Stevens (or whatever is name is this week) would have known
that
he still has grass roots support from americans and that it is just the
government gone nuts.

Cat Stevens has grass roots support from Americans? Are you trying to be
funny?

Only thing Americans know about Cat Stevens is that he wrote a couple of
popular songs many years ago and then went crazy, converted to Islam, and
donated money to organizations that even he admits might have gone to
support terrorists. Take a poll of 1,000 Americans and 950 of them would
say Cat Stevens SHOULD be on the no fly list just for being a kook.

Matt