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Old August 14th, 2016, 02:05 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
Happy.Hobo
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If I want to spend 90 days in Spain, I just go there. Easy.

If I want to spend 91 days in Spain, I assemble half a kilogram of
documentation:

http://tinyurl.com/Visa-for-Spain

and then wait two to four months to see if it's approved. And even
though the approval (or not) comes from people in the Spanish consulate
in USA (who speak English fairly well), they require "certified"
translations of everything. Even though I speak Spanish well, I'm not
anxious to translate umpteen pages of insurance policy. Not to mention
getting someone to "certify" it.

There must be a better way.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 05:25 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
Happy.Hobo
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On 08-13-2016 20:05, Happy.Hobo wrote:
There must be a better way.


And that way is NOT posting a €50K bond with Andorra to allow staying
longer than ninety days.
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Old August 20th, 2016, 12:03 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Athel Cornish-Bowden
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On 2016-08-14 01:05:47 +0000, Happy.Hobo said:

If I want to spend 90 days in Spain, I just go there. Easy.

If I want to spend 91 days in Spain, I assemble half a kilogram of
documentation:

http://tinyurl.com/Visa-for-Spain

and then wait two to four months to see if it's approved. And even
though the approval (or not) comes from people in the Spanish consulate
in USA (who speak English fairly well), they require "certified"
translations of everything. Even though I speak Spanish well, I'm not
anxious to translate umpteen pages of insurance policy. Not to mention
getting someone to "certify" it.

There must be a better way.


I have no specific knowledge about Spanish visa requirements for
visitors from the USA, but I would guess that it's reciprocal, that
Spain just imposes the same requirements, whether silly or not, that
the USA imposes on visitors from Spain. That's how it works for
numerous countries. For a long time Brazilians had to go in person to
Brasilia to get a US visa, and the US authorities were deaf to protests
that Brazil is a very large country and that nearly all of its citizens
live a long way from Brasilia. Eventually the Brazilians said OK, US
citizens wanting to visit Brazil need to go in person to Washington DC
to get their visas, with no exceptions for Alaska or Hawaii. After that
I think the silly rule was dropped. Likewise countries whose citizens
have to pay to enter the USA require US citizens to pay an equivalent
amount. It gets quite expensive if you want to visit several countries
in South America on the same trip. On leaving the flight in Chile, for
example, there is a big notice with flags of USA, Canada, Mexico,
Australia and Albania saying that their citizens have to pay before
going through immigration. I was quite surprised to see Albania on that
list, but presumably it's reciprocal. Anyway the fee is only $5 for
Albanians, about $30 for Mexicans, and a lot more for the others. I
expect that the sort of Albanian who can afford to fly to Chile can
also afford $5.


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athel

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Old August 20th, 2016, 02:56 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Happy.Hobo
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On 08-20-2016 06:03, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2016-08-14 01:05:47 +0000, Happy.Hobo said:

If I want to spend 90 days in Spain, I just go there. Easy.

If I want to spend 91 days in Spain, I assemble half a kilogram of
documentation:

http://tinyurl.com/Visa-for-Spain

and then wait two to four months to see if it's approved. And even
though the approval (or not) comes from people in the Spanish
consulate in USA (who speak English fairly well), they require
"certified" translations of everything. Even though I speak Spanish
well, I'm not anxious to translate umpteen pages of insurance policy.
Not to mention getting someone to "certify" it.

There must be a better way.


I have no specific knowledge about Spanish visa requirements for
visitors from the USA, but I would guess that it's reciprocal, that
Spain just imposes the same requirements, whether silly or not, that the
USA imposes on visitors from Spain.


The "specific knowledge" is on their website, which I linked to.
Nothing on it suggests it is rules for Americans. And while I have no
doubt USA has excessive paperwork, I doubt it's as ridiculous as
Spain's. The most ridiculous part is that one can show up with nothing
but a passport and stay 90 days, but for 91, three months of preparation
and a ton of paperwork.

A bureaucrat is someone who cuts red tapelengthwise.

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Old August 20th, 2016, 05:37 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
tim...[_2_]
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"Happy.Hobo" wrote in message
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On 08-20-2016 06:03, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
On 2016-08-14 01:05:47 +0000, Happy.Hobo said:

If I want to spend 90 days in Spain, I just go there. Easy.

If I want to spend 91 days in Spain, I assemble half a kilogram of
documentation:

http://tinyurl.com/Visa-for-Spain

and then wait two to four months to see if it's approved. And even
though the approval (or not) comes from people in the Spanish
consulate in USA (who speak English fairly well), they require
"certified" translations of everything. Even though I speak Spanish
well, I'm not anxious to translate umpteen pages of insurance policy.
Not to mention getting someone to "certify" it.

There must be a better way.


I have no specific knowledge about Spanish visa requirements for
visitors from the USA, but I would guess that it's reciprocal, that
Spain just imposes the same requirements, whether silly or not, that the
USA imposes on visitors from Spain.


The "specific knowledge" is on their website, which I linked to.


no you haven't - it doesn't work



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Old August 21st, 2016, 04:59 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
Happy.Hobo
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On 08-20-2016 11:37, tim... wrote:

The "specific knowledge" is on their website, which I linked to.


no you haven't - it doesn't work


Hmmm, interesting. It did work the other day.
The original (LOOONG) URI is a blank now, too.
Oh, well.

Basically, it was a page-and-a-half list of documents one had to
present, all "certified translations" into Spanish. And then you wait
two to four months for an answer. But if you want to spend ninety days
(OR if you don't care about being legal), no visa is required for
citizens of many countries.
 




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