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LHR international arrival confusion
In the last episode of , Mark Carroll
said: Thank you very much to you and others for explaining. Hopefully they have an easy corrective route for those who followed "flight connections" not realizing this! (It would be an easy mistake to make given how, coming to the US and connecting domestically, one gets quite used to picking up one's bag in flight connections, for port-of-entry customs reasons.) The key here is that the port-of-entry to the US was in Toronto, after that you were US-domestic for the rest of your journey. Unfortunately that's a complicated enough concept that most airline officials probably won't try and explain it to your average traveler since it holds up the check-in line. Sad but true :/ -- We have enough youth, how about a fountain of SMART? |
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LHR international arrival confusion
In the last episode of , Mark Carroll
said: "Graham Harrison" writes: (snip) Something doesn't feel right in my explanation but based on what I see on the Toronto Pearson airport website http://www.torontopearson.com/Connecting.aspx that seems to be the process. Yes -- admittedly, I don't recall what happened with customs, but I think I had a Halifax - Boston flight that had me do the US immigration bit in Halifax on the way out, which was a surprise. It's actually a bit of a treat, since the US authorities don't have the opportunity to detain you without access to a lawyer or any of the other fun and games that US authorities like to claim they can do in the civil-rights-free-zone of the border, and if they allow to proceed you regain (some of) your legal rights, otherwise since you're actually on Canadian soil, Canadian laws will protect you from unreasonable detention (although you won't be able to proceed on your journey) -- We have enough youth, how about a fountain of SMART? |
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LHR international arrival confusion
Doesn't work like that when you are flying to a point behind a US
gateway. For instance London/Chicago/Denver will have a tag saying LHR/ORD/DEN but you have to collect the bag at ORD, go through immigration then customs and, as you exit customs recheck the bag with your domestic carrier. But "Anonymous" was (if I understand him correctly) doing something like London/Toronto/Denver/Butte. He says 2 airline staff told him to collect the bag at Denver (1st US point) then recheck for Butte but his bag never appeared at Denver and it appeared at Butte. Indeed. The itinerary was Europe to Canada to US, and the US had two intl airports (which I won't reveal for privacy). There was a "pre-screening" in Toronto, where US ICE was operating in Canada, where they collected my US landing card and asked the typical questions, only this time without the check-on luggage in my possession. They showed a digital photo of my check-on, and asked if that was my bag. I said "yup", and they sent me on my way. I thought that since they called it a pre-screening, that I would still need to do more with customs further along the route, but that never happened. |
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YYZ prescreening, was LHR international arrival confusion
Indeed. The itinerary was Europe to Canada to US, and the US had two
intl airports (which I won't reveal for privacy). There was a "pre-screening" in Toronto, where US ICE was operating in Canada, where they collected my US landing card and asked the typical questions, only this time without the check-on luggage in my possession. They showed a digital photo of my check-on, and asked if that was my bag. I said "yup", and they sent me on my way. I thought that since they called it a pre-screening, that I would still need to do more with customs further along the route, but that never happened. Nope, that was the customs inspection. Most US airports have no immigration or customs facilities, and there is no provision for customs inspection separate from immigration. As soon as you were precleared in Toronto, you and your luggage were for all practical purposes in the United States. If the customs people in Toronto have questions about your luggage, they can send you to secondary inspection where they physically retrieve your bags and insepct them, but they almost never do. As I think I mentioned in a previous message, flights from Canada to the US have been prescreened since the 1950s so there is really no excuse for airline staff not knowing about it. -- Regards, John Levine, , Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly |
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YYZ prescreening, was LHR international arrival confusion
In the last episode of , John Levine
said: Indeed. The itinerary was Europe to Canada to US, and the US had two intl airports (which I won't reveal for privacy). There was a "pre-screening" in Toronto, where US ICE was operating in Canada, where they collected my US landing card and asked the typical questions, only this time without the check-on luggage in my possession. They showed a digital photo of my check-on, and asked if that was my bag. I said "yup", and they sent me on my way. I thought that since they called it a pre-screening, that I would still need to do more with customs further along the route, but that never happened. Nope, that was the customs inspection. Most US airports have no immigration or customs facilities, and there is no provision for customs inspection separate from immigration. As soon as you were precleared in Toronto, you and your luggage were for all practical purposes in the United States. It's also worth noting that you are legally admitted to the US at this point, which means you cannot be detained without access to a lawyer or searched without cause on immigration grounds -- This is one of the huge perks of flying into the US at a pre-clearance location, as it avoids stepping into the rights-free zone where you have no rights at all. -- Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool. |
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