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China Travel Discussion List
Readers of rec.travel.asia with a particular interest in China may also
be interested in THE ORIENTAL-LIST. Now more than ten years old and with several hundred members, the list provides a forum for the discussion of travel in China, and across China's borders to the nearest major centres, such as Almaty, Bishkek, Islamabad, Kathmandu, Hanoi, and Ulaan Baatar. The Oriental-List accepts practical travel queries; discussions of the merits of individual destinations or routes; accounts of individual experiences; historical and cultural material relevant to China travel; reviews and notifications of other China travel resources (newsgroups, publications, websites, public lectures, etc); political, legal, and ethical matters to do with travel in China, and China travel news items. This list is moderated to keep it free from off-topic material, personal attacks, abuse, foul language, cross-postings, spam, or other trivia. It is intended to be supplementary to other sources, and does not accept queries easily answered by looking in a guide book, those in chat-room style, or overly vague. The answer to almost any China travel question can vary from month to month, and so the list maintains no archive, and regards published sources such as guide books as its FAQ file, dealing mainly in matters beyond the scope of such books. The Oriental-List is run entirely pro bono, carries no advertising, the list of members is not made available to any individual or third party organisation, and email addresses are stripped from all headers to prevent their exploitation. Membership is, of course, free, and members include those planning their first trips to China, experienced China travellers, China-based journalists and foreign residents, as well as the authors of several books on travel in China. To receive further guidelines and to subscribe, send a blank email to: subscribe-oriental-list [at] datasinica [.] com or visit http://www.datasinica.com (Those without any interest in discussion on these terms need merely ignore this announcement, and to avoid seeing it in the future simply add the subject line 'China Travel Discussion List' to their software's 'kill' file.) |
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China Travel Discussion List
"Peter Neville-Hadley" kirjoitti . below... Readers of rec.travel.asia with a particular interest in China may also be interested in THE ORIENTAL-LIST. I cannot imagine it would be any of their interests. Actually persistent spamming about always works for the opposite tendencies: potential customers definitely don't sympathize spammers and leave the product on the shelves (in this case a couple of outdated "travel" books). Corporate lists like the one the Lonely Planet publisher maintains outranks this miserable little effort of yours hands down. And they definitely don't spam to the usenet. They have that tiny pinch of tact and class left. Show that you are a man (I know, it won't be easy) and bugger off. |
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"Markku Grönroos" schrieb "Peter Neville-Hadley" kirjoitti Readers of rec.travel.asia with a particular interest in China may also be interested in THE ORIENTAL-LIST. [...] Corporate lists like the one the Lonely Planet publisher maintains outranks this miserable little effort of yours hands down. Full ACK And they definitely don't spam to the usenet. They have that tiny pinch of tact and class left. If you have a quality product, you don't need spamming (or advertising). or the other way round: If you need spamming... Think for yourself. cu, tmo |
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Thomas Endt wrote:
Corporate lists like the one the Lonely Planet publisher maintains outranks this miserable little effort of yours hands down. Full ACK The existence of the Lonely Planet site is entirely independent of the existence of any other of the (many) sites for discussing China travel. Many people indeed post to both. And they definitely don't spam to the usenet. They have that tiny pinch of tact and class left. If you have a quality product, you don't need spamming (or advertising). or the other way round: If you need spamming... Think for yourself. Indeed, a little thought will show that mentions of The Oriental-List here are no more spam than mentions of the Lonely Planet site, although the LP site is entirely commercial, and The Oriental-List is not. Mentions of any source of useful information or platform for discussion of China travel are entirely appropriate for mention on rec.travel.asia, and it's not clear why anyone would want to prevent mention of any Asia travel related resource here. There are many to choose from, and if The Oriental-List were to disappear tomorrow it really wouldn't matter much. If one individual reader is not interested in The Oriental-List, this doesn't seem a good reason to deny it to others, and mentions of the entirely non-commercial Oriental-List will continue to appear here from time to time for the benefit of other rec.travel.asia readers, many of whom post to rec.travel.asia, to the Oriental-List, and to the Lonely Planet site alike, although each offers a quite different kind of service. Peter N-H http://www.datasinica.com |
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"Peter Neville-Hadley" kirjoitti . below... Thomas Endt wrote: Corporate lists like the one the Lonely Planet publisher maintains outranks this miserable little effort of yours hands down. Full ACK The existence of the Lonely Planet site is entirely independent of the existence of any other of the (many) sites for discussing China travel. Many people indeed post to both. Aren't they all. Buy a brain. Lonely Planet doesn't frequently (for instance on Saturdays) spam to rta. Funny that you mentioned the word "independence" in this context. Your "forum" is not independent. It depends on the usenet. It shouldn't but it does. Indeed, a little thought will show that mentions of The Oriental-List here are no more spam than mentions of the Lonely Planet site, although the LP site is entirely commercial, and The Oriental-List is not. Lonely Planet does not spam here unlike the little turd. Lonely Planet doesn't constitute any problems to the usenet and it's subscribers. Mentions of any source of useful information or platform for discussion of China travel are entirely appropriate for mention on rec.travel.asia, About anyone can broadcast spam to rta and claim it being useful. and it's not clear why anyone would want to prevent mention of any Asia travel related resource here. There are many to choose from, and if The It is unclear only to the hymie faggot. The pervert always sends this same copy again and again. Such a practice is definitely against the nature of usenet. The only reason you can keep assaulting the usenet is that your Canadian isp lets you to do so (North American providers are notorious in this, I know). Perhaps you little creep find other means trying to promote those outdated "travel books". People can find their way by the search engines. You don't have to broadcast this senseless drivel again and again in rta. For your businesses (well, anyways) it has about no impact at all and the subscribers of rec.travel.asia feel irritated. If someone wonders why it is so, he has very little in terms of brain capacity. Hopefully you would learn to stand on your two feet and find that robustness and soundness what good men are made of. Naturally, you should first find that man in you............ |
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On 2007-08-18 00:47:06 -0400, Markku Grönroos said:
It is unclear only to the hymie faggot. The pervert always sends this same copy again and again. Such a practice is definitely against the nature of usenet. The only reason you can keep assaulting the usenet is that your Canadian isp lets you to do so (North American providers are notorious in this, I know). Perhaps you little creep find other means trying to promote those outdated "travel books". People can find their way by the search engines. You don't have to broadcast this senseless drivel again and again in rta. For your businesses (well, anyways) it has about no impact at all and the subscribers of rec.travel.asia feel irritated. If someone wonders why it is so, he has very little in terms of brain capacity. Hopefully you would learn to stand on your two feet and find that robustness and soundness what good men are made of. Naturally, you should first find that man in you............ I've watched your postings for quite awhile now, and all I can say is that you've sunk to a new low. If you don't like his post, ignore it. Please stop this racist, ignorant drivel. |
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:43:21 -0400, Richard Stoddard wrote:
I've watched your postings for quite awhile now, and all I can say is that you've sunk to a new low. If you don't like his post, ignore it. Please stop this racist, ignorant drivel. I killfiled him long ago. It's not worth wading through the rank manure to discover the occasional pearl of wisdom. I only see him when others unfortunately quote him. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest |
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In article , Alan S says...
I killfiled him long ago. It's not worth wading through the rank manure to discover the occasional pearl of wisdom. I only see him when others unfortunately quote him. Same here. I've killfiled Peter Neville a long time ago. His China list is essentially useless, because a) all your posts will be filtered by Peter and he will occasionally reject perfectly legitimate posts and b) the list has no archives. For travel information about China it is better to post here in rta or, better, in the excellent Lonely Planet Thorntree China travel forum - you get lots of qualified replies there. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe |
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"Alfred Molon" wrote in message ... In article , Alan S says... I killfiled him long ago. It's not worth wading through the rank manure to discover the occasional pearl of wisdom. I only see him when others unfortunately quote him. Same here. I've killfiled Peter Neville a long time ago. His China list is essentially useless, because a) all your posts will be filtered by Peter and he will occasionally reject perfectly legitimate posts and b) the list has no archives. I'm inclined to disagree with the second reason. Like it or not, most people do not look through the archives of a news group. They simply post their question and hope for an immediate answer. Peter's group does actually provide that, IME more so that the average usenet group. tim |
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In article , tim..... says...
Like it or not, most people do not look through the archives of a news group. They simply post their question and hope for an immediate answer. Peter's group does actually provide that, IME more so that the average usenet group. It's actually much faster to do a quick search through the archives, than to post a message and wait for an answer. Most of the time the same question will have been put again and again, so an archive search will give you an answer within seconds or minutes, while by posting you have to wait for a day or two. It's also interesting to simply browse through the threads. And don't forget that Peter's list is moderated. The message has to first be approved by Peter - which takes time and he might reject your message - before it can actually make it to the list. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe |
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