Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide

"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
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Following along: It's certainly not NZ's pax who should suffer.

Not to Raffi: Do NOT become involved in a safety critical industry.
You could kill people with an attitude like yours.

Dave

I thought it was just my looks that could kill 8-)

I still believe NZ overdramatized the situation. If some guy throws
himself
off a bridge in front of me, it would be his problem not mine.....sure
wouldn't let it affect my clients/customers.

Imagine you are management. You have some experience with single cases,
any large arganisation will have seen this before.
You get a phone call asking what policy applies when a whole crew is
affected.
You have 2 minutes, the timer is running.
People will be dissecting you decision for days to come.
What do you do? Wheres that policy statement?What do we do?
well, whats the answer, one minute, do we go or stay? yes the flight is
loading,
what, sorry, bad line , yes, most seem okay but a couple are edgy,
yes, they say it looked bad, yes, cargo is loading, 10 seconds, do we go?

Thats responsibility, a few seconds to decide, days in a courtroom for
barristers to question every point. In this cases it isn't just personal
responsibilty but
responsibility for others. The money or the gun.

You may see the jumper as inconvenient. Be thankful for a small mercy.
They could easily have engaged in more destructive macho bull*(it
behaviour, some plant the pedal and see how fast they can go, some go postal
on their workmates or family.
'postal' being from the US post office, actually a very safe place to work,
but
given their high rate of veteran employment you are more likely to be
killed by a workmate than most other industries.

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:18:29 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote:

To make a very long story short, I got a first class QF seat LHR-SYD in 2000
which is a bit longer than LAX-SYD but might compare for the purposes of
this example. I later found out that on a last-minute basis, it was an
AUD$12,000 ticket which, thankfully, was on Air Canada's tab, not mine.

Why would that have any vague relevance to anything?


Should it? No. Did it? Yes, when they misdirected my bags and tripped
over themselves to kiss various anatomical parts while trying to find them.

You appear terminally confused by the idea that your experience in
2000 might have the slightest relevance to the topic under discussion,
which is cunningly summarized by the "subject" line: "Air NZ crew
heads home alone after LA suicide".

Malc.

in article , Malcolm Weir at
wrote on 3/3/04 7:32 PM:

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:18:29 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote:

To make a very long story short, I got a first class QF seat LHR-SYD in
2000
which is a bit longer than LAX-SYD but might compare for the purposes of
this example. I later found out that on a last-minute basis, it was an
AUD$12,000 ticket which, thankfully, was on Air Canada's tab, not mine.

Why would that have any vague relevance to anything?


Should it? No. Did it? Yes, when they misdirected my bags and tripped
over themselves to kiss various anatomical parts while trying to find them.

You appear terminally confused by the idea that your experience in
2000 might have the slightest relevance to the topic under discussion,
which is cunningly summarized by the "subject" line: "Air NZ crew
heads home alone after LA suicide".

Malc.


If you followed the thread, you'd see the above snippets came from an
offshoot discussion of the cost NZ would or would not have borne in putting
the pax from the cancelled flight on other carriers.

in article , Tosser at
wrote on 3/3/04 6:46 PM:


"Raffi Balmanoukian" a wrote
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If some guy throws himself
off a bridge in front of me, it would be his problem not mine.....sure
wouldn't let it affect my clients/customers.


What you don't appear to understand is that you don't get to have very much
say
in it at all.

No, but you do get to say whether or not you will let it screw you up or
not. Why should I, or my customers/clients/passengers be affected or
inconvenienced by some some guy we've not met or known, throwing himself off
a bridge?

in article , mtravelkay at
wrote on 3/3/04 6:41 PM:


Raffi Balmanoukian wrote:


Because I don't let "wrong place, wrong time" stuff that has nothing to do
either with me or my business associations bother me or affect the
client/customer? I would think that would be exactly what an airline should
look for....

If they fall on the hood of your car, it doesn't affect you?


It hasn't happened....but I'd be damned if I'd let it prejudice, delay, or
cost my customers.

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 23:46:02 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote:

in article , Malcolm Weir at
wrote on 3/3/04 7:32 PM:

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:18:29 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote:

To make a very long story short, I got a first class QF seat LHR-SYD in
2000
which is a bit longer than LAX-SYD but might compare for the purposes of
this example. I later found out that on a last-minute basis, it was an
AUD$12,000 ticket which, thankfully, was on Air Canada's tab, not mine.

Why would that have any vague relevance to anything?


Should it? No. Did it? Yes, when they misdirected my bags and tripped
over themselves to kiss various anatomical parts while trying to find them.

You appear terminally confused by the idea that your experience in
2000 might have the slightest relevance to the topic under discussion,
which is cunningly summarized by the "subject" line: "Air NZ crew
heads home alone after LA suicide".

If you followed the thread, you'd see the above snippets came from an
offshoot discussion of the cost NZ would or would not have borne in putting
the pax from the cancelled flight on other carriers.

If you'd followed the thread, you'd have seen that someone (well,
actually me) has noted that there are two alternate flights between
LAX and AKL, one of which was operated by a company called Air NZ.

Is it beginning to sink in that your experience IS NOT RELEVANT?

Malc.

in article , Malcolm Weir at
wrote on 3/3/04 8:06 PM:

Is it beginning to sink in that your experience IS NOT RELEVANT?

Malc.

Is it beginning to sink in that we have an obvious agreement to disagree?

Gee, what odds.

"Raffi Balmanoukian" a wrote in
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No, but you do get to say whether or not you will let it screw you up or
not.


sigh

Please try to comprehend.

You have no say in how deep the hole is going to be in your head if a brick
falls on it.

Similarly, you have no say in how post-trauma shock is going to affect you.

You say you wouldn't let a small matter like someone splatting on your vehicle
interfere with your duty to your clients.

I say you're in for a surprise.

The real world is a lot different to Hollywood.

in article , Tosser at
wrote on 3/3/04 8:46 PM:

sigh

Please try to comprehend.


Ibid:



You have no say in how deep the hole is going to be in your head if a brick
falls on it.

Physical injury.



Similarly, you have no say in how post-trauma shock is going to affect you.

Emotional. Very different thing.


You say you wouldn't let a small matter like someone splatting on your vehicle
interfere with your duty to your clients.

Absolutely not. If that makes me callous, so be it. If a brick bonks me on
the head, I'm injured.

If I hit someone by accident, damned right I'd be traumatized.

If someone splats on my bonnet, that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do
with me....or the client. Aside from fulfilling the civic duties that flow
from that - and getting the car to a body shop....

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:04:06 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian

Aaah, I get you now. Yes, the 12th in the civilized world.

You're both mistaken. Here in NZ it's called the ground floor. But in
the US, it's called the 1st floor. Floors are numbered. Even the
basements are numbered b1, b2, b3 etc. I always get confused here and
say "I'm going to the 2nd floor." when I mean the first floor off the
ground...since most I've met here call the first floor, the ground
floor.
Tarla
****
A word to the wise is infuriating.

--Hunter S. Thompson


Nup....in non-N.A. counting, the "regular" 13th floor would be the 12th
(ground + 12 stories). So the 14th would be the 13th in non-NA
counting....and since 13 is a no-no, 13 becomes 12.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I've actually been in
many American buildings and seen for myself. Have you?

Tarla
****
A word to the wise is infuriating.

--Hunter S. Thompson