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"Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
I think the naturalized citizens have to give up the previous
citizenship. But lots of Americans still hold dual citizenship via birth.
Former neighbors daughter was born while he was working for Bectal in
Rhodesia. She still has Rhodesian or what ever it is call now,
citizenship.

The UK does not recognize the concept of "giving up"citizenship. They're
perfectly happy for their citizens to take up alternative citizenship, but
any time anybody wants it back, passport is available.


I referred to those US citizens who are citizens by birth. Naturalized, as
you state, renounce the former citizenship.

Calif wrote on Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:01:59 -0800:


"Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
I think the naturalized citizens have to give up the
previous citizenship. But lots of Americans still hold dual
citizenship via birth. Former neighbors daughter was born
while he was working for Bectal in Rhodesia. She still has
Rhodesian or what ever it is call now, citizenship.

The UK does not recognize the concept of "giving
up"citizenship. They're perfectly happy for their citizens to
take up alternative citizenship, but any time anybody wants
it back, passport is available.

I referred to those US citizens who are citizens by birth.
Naturalized, as you state, renounce the former citizenship.

The thing is that the renunciation has no legal force. I could renew and
travel on my British passport if I wanted. and keep my US citizenship. I
am thus, by definition, a dual citizen as are my children.

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James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"James Silverton" wrote in message
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Calif wrote on Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:01:59 -0800:


"Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
I think the naturalized citizens have to give up the
previous citizenship. But lots of Americans still hold dual citizenship
via birth. Former neighbors daughter was born
while he was working for Bectal in Rhodesia. She still has
Rhodesian or what ever it is call now, citizenship.

The UK does not recognize the concept of "giving
up"citizenship. They're perfectly happy for their citizens to
take up alternative citizenship, but any time anybody wants
it back, passport is available.

I referred to those US citizens who are citizens by birth. Naturalized, as
you state, renounce the former citizenship.

The thing is that the renunciation has no legal force. I could renew and
travel on my British passport if I wanted. and keep my US citizenship. I
am thus, by definition, a dual citizen as are my children.

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James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

So, to which country to you owe loyalty? No man can serve two masters.

Sharx35 wrote on Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:21:54 GMT:


"James Silverton" wrote in
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Calif wrote on Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:01:59 -0800:

"Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
I think the naturalized citizens have to give up the
previous citizenship. But lots of Americans still hold
dual citizenship via birth. Former neighbors daughter was born
while he was working for Bectal in Rhodesia. She
still has Rhodesian or what ever it is call now,
citizenship.

The UK does not recognize the concept of "giving
up"citizenship. They're perfectly happy for their citizens to take
up alternative citizenship, but any time anybody
wants it back, passport is available.

I referred to those US citizens who are citizens by birth.
Naturalized, as you state, renounce the former citizenship.

The thing is that the renunciation has no legal force. I
could renew and travel on my British passport if I wanted.
and keep my US citizenship. I am thus, by definition, a dual citizen
as are my children.

So, to which country to you owe loyalty? No man can serve two masters.

I know your second sentence has scriptural authority but it only
applies when loyalties conflict. Of course, America is my country but,
outside that, my sympathies initially lie with Britain when there is no
conflict!

A surprising number of Americans live abroad with dual citizenship but
would return if it became necessary.




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James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Sharx35 wrote:

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

So, to which country to you owe loyalty? No man can serve two masters.

You don't "serve" a country surely? The state answers to you, not vice
versa.

"Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
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Sharx35 wrote:

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

So, to which country to you owe loyalty? No man can serve two masters.

You don't "serve" a country surely? The state answers to you, not vice
versa.

You are paraphrasing Adolf Hitler, you know.

"James Silverton" wrote in message
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Sharx35 wrote on Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:21:54 GMT:


"James Silverton" wrote in
message ...
Calif wrote on Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:01:59 -0800:

"Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
I think the naturalized citizens have to give up the
previous citizenship. But lots of Americans still hold
dual citizenship via birth. Former neighbors daughter was born while
he was working for Bectal in Rhodesia. She
still has Rhodesian or what ever it is call now,
citizenship.

The UK does not recognize the concept of "giving
up"citizenship. They're perfectly happy for their citizens to take up
alternative citizenship, but any time anybody
wants it back, passport is available.

I referred to those US citizens who are citizens by birth.
Naturalized, as you state, renounce the former citizenship.

The thing is that the renunciation has no legal force. I
could renew and travel on my British passport if I wanted.
and keep my US citizenship. I am thus, by definition, a dual citizen as
are my children.

So, to which country to you owe loyalty? No man can serve two masters.

I know your second sentence has scriptural authority but it only applies
when loyalties conflict. Of course, America is my country but, outside
that, my sympathies initially lie with Britain when there is no conflict!

A surprising number of Americans live abroad with dual citizenship but
would return if it became necessary.




--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

More than a few Canadians are still also United Kingdom citizens.

This is from the U.S. Department of State website...

Dual Nationality

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of
two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship
laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by
automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For
example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may
be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a
person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of
the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or
require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person
who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing
U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship
by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S.
citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the
foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the
intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S.
Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not
encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may
cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may
conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government
efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national
is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and
the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both
countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws,
particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens,
including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave
the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign
country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of
the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries
permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.

Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the
foreign country's embassy and consulates in the United States.
Americans can renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S.
embassies and consulates abroad.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1753.html

"James Silverton" wrote in message
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Alohacyberian wrote on Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:54:31 GMT:

The United States does not recognize dual citizenship, though there are
many American citizens, particularly naturalized
citizens who hold dual citizenship. KM

Duh!
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Brilliant response. Were you quoting Shakespeare, Aristotle or Plato? Did
mum help you? I know you didn't think up that bit of genius all by
yourself. KM
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"James Silverton" wrote in message
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How does a naturalized citizen like me give up his previous citizenship
and still possess dual citizenship, which I do? It seems a contradiction
in terms since the oath I took on becoming a citizen said " I hereby
declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all
allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or
sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen"

You never gave up your previous citizenship unless you went to your native
country and renounced that citizenship.

The laws of the United States differ from laws of foreign countries. Your
decision is whether you will adhere exclusively to the laws of the United
States (other countries may not do so) or include the laws of your native
land as well. KM
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