China Travel Discussion List

Readers of rec.travel.asia with a particular interest in China may also
be interested in THE ORIENTAL-LIST.

Now more than ten years old and with several hundred members, the list
provides a forum for the discussion of travel in China, and across
China's borders to the nearest major centres, such as Almaty, Bishkek,
Islamabad, Kathmandu, Hanoi, and Ulaan Baatar.

The Oriental-List accepts practical travel queries; discussions of the
merits of individual destinations or routes; accounts of individual
experiences; historical and cultural material relevant to China travel;
reviews and notifications of other China travel resources (newsgroups,
publications, websites, public lectures, etc); political, legal, and
ethical matters to do with travel in China, and China travel news items.

This list is moderated to keep it free from off-topic material, personal
attacks, abuse, foul language, cross-postings, spam, or other trivia. It
is intended to be supplementary to other sources, and does not accept
queries easily answered by looking in a guide book, those in chat-room
style, or overly vague.

The answer to almost any China travel question can vary from month to
month, and so the list maintains no archive, and regards published
sources such as guide books as its FAQ file, dealing mainly in matters
beyond the scope of such books.

The Oriental-List is run entirely pro bono, carries no advertising, the
list of members is not made available to any individual or third party
organisation, and email addresses are stripped from all headers to
prevent their exploitation.

Members include those planning their first trips to China, experienced
China travellers, China-based journalists and foreign residents, as well
as the authors of several books on travel in China.

To receive further guidelines and to subscribe, send a blank email to:

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"Peter Neville-Hadley" kirjoitti
elow...
Readers of rec.travel.asia with a particular interest in China may also
be interested in THE ORIENTAL-LIST.

I doubt that. The homosexual has compromised any such efforts by this
persistent spamming.


Now more than ten years old and with several hundred members, the list
provides a forum for the discussion of travel in China, and across
China's borders to the nearest major centres, such as Almaty, Bishkek,
Islamabad, Kathmandu, Hanoi, and Ulaan Baatar.

Why do you keep telling this in rta? Use e-mail to notify people about this
"group of yours" instead. Create an e-mail directory. Your brain is
seemingly a bit strained. It doesn't work properly. You are punitively
stupid.


The Oriental-List accepts practical travel queries; discussions of the
merits of individual destinations or routes; accounts of individual
experiences; historical and cultural material relevant to China travel;

What do you need such a forum for? rta does the job alright. You have lost a
few marbles from your head.

reviews and notifications of other China travel resources (newsgroups,
publications, websites, public lectures, etc); political, legal, and
ethical matters to do with travel in China, and China travel news items.

This list is moderated to keep it free from off-topic material, personal
attacks, abuse, foul language, cross-postings, spam, or other trivia. It

This is just funny. What about rta then? Is it spam free too? You spam to
rta in order to broadcast that there is a forum which is spam free.

Buy a fresh piece of brain.

Once again what do you need a "moderated forum for discussion on travelling
in China" for? By all means establish such a group inside the usenet. All
the required tools are readily available. In this fashion you don't have to
spam in usenet to tell people that you have a "forum" outside usenet.
Actually there is no reason to do so now. Tune your e-mail utilities. If you
cannot do the job, ask someone to do it for you.

Perhaps the reason for you not having done so by now is that it would
violate usenet policies to spam by a group maintainer........... Well, your
activities as they are set now do equally violate usenet
policies............


is intended to be supplementary to other sources, and does not accept
queries easily answered by looking in a guide book, those in chat-room
style, or overly vague.

The answer to almost any China travel question can vary from month to
month, and so the list maintains no archive, and regards published
sources such as guide books as its FAQ file, dealing mainly in matters
beyond the scope of such books.

The Oriental-List is run entirely pro bono, carries no advertising, the
list of members is not made available to any individual or third party
organisation, and email addresses are stripped from all headers to
prevent their exploitation.

This is a bit thick, don't you think. The faggot is pathetic. In that
rudimentary entry page you advertise "travel guides": poorly written horse
manure on China and Central Asia. True waste of paper and ink.

My advice to you is: establish your moderated group in the usenet and stop
harassing the subscribers of usenet group rec.travel.asia by this periodical
and repetitive nonsense. Don't you believe the folks have deserved that.
Anyways, I will report your ISP once again....... It will be one of the
happier days when the homo is gone for good with this insane drivel.

On Aug 24, 4:46*pm, Markku Grönroos wrote:
Anyways, I will report your ISP once again....... It will be one of the
happier days when the homo is gone *for good with this insane drivel.


*****And many thanks to you for reposting it Goonyroos.
You really are thick aren't you???

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:32:36 -0700 (PDT), LarbGai
wrote:

On Aug 24, 4:46*pm, Markku Grönroos wrote:
Anyways, I will report your ISP once again....... It will be one of the
happier days when the homo is gone *for good with this insane drivel.


*****And many thanks to you for reposting it Goonyroos.
You really are thick aren't you???

As if reporting to his ISP would do any good anyway. How many
thousands of off-topic posts get uploaded every day? Does anyone
really believe that ISP's have the time and resources to investigate
every case like this? We're no longer back in the early days of the
internet where bandwidth mattered, and people posting inappropriately
had their difficult-to-obtain internet connection cut-off. There are
so many news servers to post Usenet messages through and so many ways
of accessing the internet these days that trying to stop any kind of
spam by reporting individual people is a complete and utter waste of
time. I'm amazed that Markku doesn't realise this.

Chris

"Chris Blunt" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:32:36 -0700 (PDT), LarbGai
wrote:

On Aug 24, 4:46 pm, Markku Grönroos wrote:
Anyways, I will report your ISP once again....... It will be one of the
happier days when the homo is gone for good with this insane drivel.


*****And many thanks to you for reposting it Goonyroos.
You really are thick aren't you???

As if reporting to his ISP would do any good anyway. How many
thousands of off-topic posts get uploaded every day? Does anyone
really believe that ISP's have the time and resources to investigate
every case like this? We're no longer back in the early days of the
internet where bandwidth mattered,

And if it did, Markku and co waste more of it that Peter ever did.

tim

"tim....." kirjoitti
...

"Chris Blunt" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:32:36 -0700 (PDT), LarbGai
wrote:

On Aug 24, 4:46 pm, Markku Grönroos wrote:
Anyways, I will report your ISP once again....... It will be one of the
happier days when the homo is gone for good with this insane drivel.


*****And many thanks to you for reposting it Goonyroos.
You really are thick aren't you???

As if reporting to his ISP would do any good anyway. How many
thousands of off-topic posts get uploaded every day? Does anyone
really believe that ISP's have the time and resources to investigate
every case like this? We're no longer back in the early days of the
internet where bandwidth mattered,

And if it did, Markku and co waste more of it that Peter ever did.

Spamming is Verboten in usenet. If a million others were about to spam to
rta it would be a bit noisy. Now it is just about dead.

"Chris Blunt" kirjoitti
om...
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:32:36 -0700 (PDT), LarbGai
of accessing the internet these days that trying to stop any kind of
spam by reporting individual people is a complete and utter waste of
time. I'm amazed that Markku doesn't realise this.

The faggot is spamming through one and the same server...... It is true that
Canadian providers typically have somewhat peculiar idea on "freedom of
speech". The oddball seems to be a co-author to one of these "travel
guides". I just wonder how many subscribers to this group have bought a
copy.

In article , Chris Blunt
says...

As if reporting to his ISP would do any good anyway. How many
thousands of off-topic posts get uploaded every day? Does anyone
really believe that ISP's have the time and resources to investigate
every case like this?

That depends. If Peter were using a free Usenet provider, they would act
promptly. I have reported many such cases in the past and always
received a prompt answer that the wrongdoer's account had been deleted.
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:21:11 +0200, Alfred Molon
wrote:

In article , Chris Blunt
says...

As if reporting to his ISP would do any good anyway. How many
thousands of off-topic posts get uploaded every day? Does anyone
really believe that ISP's have the time and resources to investigate
every case like this?

That depends. If Peter were using a free Usenet provider, they would act
promptly. I have reported many such cases in the past and always
received a prompt answer that the wrongdoer's account had been deleted.

And no doubt the spammer opened another free account within a few
minutes of the one you reported being cancelled.

Unfortunately, with the way the internet is organised today, there's
very little that can be done about these spammers other than to
develop your own filtering system to try to minimise the amount that
reaches your own computer. Reporting it is a complete waste of time.
If it were that simple we wouldn't be seeing the huge amounts of spam
clogging up everyone's mailbox that we do.

Chris

In article , Chris Blunt
says...

And no doubt the spammer opened another free account within a few
minutes of the one you reported being cancelled.

And as soon as he would spam again, his account would be cancelled. Not
a very efficient way to spam.

Unfortunately, with the way the internet is organised today, there's
very little that can be done about these spammers other than to
develop your own filtering system to try to minimise the amount that
reaches your own computer. Reporting it is a complete waste of time.

Not true if the spammer is using a free Usenet account other than Google
Groups.

If it were that simple we wouldn't be seeing the huge amounts of spam
clogging up everyone's mailbox that we do.

It is that simple, if the spammer uses a free Usenet account other than
Google Groups.
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe