Costs in Japan

In article , Markku Grönroos
wrote:

Costs also go down if you down live there.

Many pardons. This should be "costs go down if you DON'T live there."
It is indeed cited as the most expensive city for people who LIVE
there. Some of the costs of housing, utilities, transportation; these
don't apply to tourists.

I find Tokyo less expensive
than most major cities in the USA, certainly not so expensive as New
York. So costs can be relative.

Well, for instance in the Economist they frequently publish "the cost of
living index" of cities around the world. For New York it is 100. Tokyo is
again and again the most expensive major city in the world (Oslo comes
close) by 135 or so.

I assume this is based on living there, not visiting there.

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Invest wisely: Over the past 75 years, stocks have averaged annual gains of 2.3
percent under GOP administrations, compared with 9.5 under Democratic ones.
-- Jerry Heaster

In article , Robert
wrote:

"Gerry"
Costs also go down if you down live there. I find Tokyo less expensive
than most major cities in the USA, certainly not so expensive as New
York. So costs can be relative.

wow, what contrast...I am in NY sure housing is expensive but really only
if you are talking about the most desired spots in Manhattan.
Food - very plenty & good & very inexpensive.

Continuing muddle over living somewhere and visiting somewhere. When I
eat in NYC and in Tokyo, I find dining and transportation more
expensive in NYC. Of course I don't hunt cheap eats in NYC, nor in
Tokyo either. If I did, I'd probably have roughly equivalent costs.
The main reasons NYC is more expensive for me is hotels and transport.

--
Invest wisely: Over the past 75 years, stocks have averaged annual gains of 2.3
percent under GOP administrations, compared with 9.5 under Democratic ones.
-- Jerry Heaster

In article , Robert
wrote:

"Gerry"
Costs also go down if you down live there. I find Tokyo less expensive
than most major cities in the USA, certainly not so expensive as New
York. So costs can be relative.

wow, what contrast...I am in NY sure housing is expensive but really only
if you are talking about the most desired spots in Manhattan.
Food - very plenty & good & very inexpensive.

Continuing muddle over living somewhere and visiting somewhere. When I
eat in NYC and in Tokyo, I find dining and transportation more
expensive in NYC. Of course I don't hunt cheap eats in NYC, nor in
Tokyo either. If I did, I'd probably have roughly equivalent costs.
The main reasons NYC is more expensive for me is hotels and transport.

--
Invest wisely: Over the past 75 years, stocks have averaged annual gains of 2.3
percent under GOP administrations, compared with 9.5 under Democratic ones.
-- Jerry Heaster

In article , PeterL
wrote:

Costs also go down if you down live there. I find Tokyo less expensive
than most major cities in the USA, certainly not so expensive as New
York. So costs can be relative.


Most major cities in the USA? You've got to be kdding.

I'm not; I blow far more cash in New Orleans, Los Angeles, Chicago and
New York than in Tokyo, Osaka, Fukuoka, Kobe or Morioka.

--
Invest wisely: Over the past 75 years, stocks have averaged annual gains of 2.3
percent under GOP administrations, compared with 9.5 under Democratic ones.
-- Jerry Heaster

In article , PeterL
wrote:

Costs also go down if you down live there. I find Tokyo less expensive
than most major cities in the USA, certainly not so expensive as New
York. So costs can be relative.


Most major cities in the USA? You've got to be kdding.

I'm not; I blow far more cash in New Orleans, Los Angeles, Chicago and
New York than in Tokyo, Osaka, Fukuoka, Kobe or Morioka.

--
Invest wisely: Over the past 75 years, stocks have averaged annual gains of 2.3
percent under GOP administrations, compared with 9.5 under Democratic ones.
-- Jerry Heaster

"PeterL" wrote in message ...
"Gerry" wrote in message
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In article , PeterL
wrote:

Can someone plz give me an idea just how expensive tthings are
there. Just daily ordinary things a tourist would want to consume
or buy. a list would be great. You can list either Yens or $.

Tokyo is one of the most expensive city to live in in the world.
Other major cities are also very expensive. Cost go down when you
are out in the country.

Costs also go down if you down live there. I find Tokyo less expensive
than most major cities in the USA, certainly not so expensive as New
York. So costs can be relative.


Most major cities in the USA? You've got to be kdding.

I paid a ton more in rent in Kobe than in my non-student housing
friends in Berkeley/San Francisco. And even in lower cost of living
Nashville I know people paying as much or more for their rent here.
The problem in the US is to get a good apartment you have to pay for
it; in Japan you can find cheap apartments and it won't necessarily be
a rat trap.

John W.

"Robert" wrote in message ...
"Gerry"
Costs also go down if you down live there. I find Tokyo less expensive
than most major cities in the USA, certainly not so expensive as New
York. So costs can be relative.

wow, what contrast...I am in NY sure housing is expensive but really only
if you are talking about the most desired spots in Manhattan.
Food - very plenty & good & very inexpensive.

Back to your statement - then why on earth I kept hearing
"Tokyo is the most expensive city to LIVE....."
I am confused.

To me the difference is that a person that lives in New York can find
markets and shops with lower priced fruits, vegetables, meats, etc.
That's harder (perhaps impossible) to do in Tokyo. Tourists don't
really see this difference, since they're most likely eating out for
every meal.

John W.

In article , Bob wrote:

It is not the place to buy fruit, go night clubbing, eat at fancy
restaurants or go shopping.

Yeah, best to stay in the room and watch TV. Actually with the
exception of the fruit, these are some of the things I like best about
Japan. True I don't go shopping for clothers, or night club at the top
of the line.

Japanese beer is good and is reasonably priced in grocery stores and
some bars.

I've had only one beer in Japan that was tolerable. But then I don't
consider the stock American pilsner's anything but swill either. A
local beer-merchant has absolutely ruined me for cheap beer...

--
Invest wisely: Over the past 75 years, stocks have averaged annual gains of 2.3
percent under GOP administrations, compared with 9.5 under Democratic ones.
-- Jerry Heaster

In article , Bob wrote:

It is not the place to buy fruit, go night clubbing, eat at fancy
restaurants or go shopping.

Yeah, best to stay in the room and watch TV. Actually with the
exception of the fruit, these are some of the things I like best about
Japan. True I don't go shopping for clothers, or night club at the top
of the line.

Japanese beer is good and is reasonably priced in grocery stores and
some bars.

I've had only one beer in Japan that was tolerable. But then I don't
consider the stock American pilsner's anything but swill either. A
local beer-merchant has absolutely ruined me for cheap beer...

--
Invest wisely: Over the past 75 years, stocks have averaged annual gains of 2.3
percent under GOP administrations, compared with 9.5 under Democratic ones.
-- Jerry Heaster

If you have to ask, you can't afford it as they say. Not every cheap place
you stay will accept it, but American Express has a point - don't leave home
without it! Happy travels! :-)

rg



"Robert" wrote in message
...
I am looking to visit Japan. this will be my 1st time.
First "warning" I been hearing about is of course - Costs, that EVERYTHING
is
sooooo expensive.

Can someone plz give me an idea just how expensive tthings are there.
Just daily ordinary things a tourist would want to consume or buy.
a list would be great. You can list either Yens or $.

thanks