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Old December 10th, 2003, 04:42 AM
Chris Blunt
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:00:57 +0200, "Markku Grönroos"
wrote:


"John Doe" wrote in message
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Have you ever been on an Aeroflot plane? I have. Scared the hell out of

me.

A friend of mine traveled to Russia, and flew Aeroflot on one

international and
several internal flights. He was part of a group of scientists and

business
types invited by the government there to observe manufacturing and

scientific
installations for the purpose of gaining help from the West. As such, they

were
flown "first class" everywhere. He brought back a collection of pictures

of
beat up aircraft and balding or damaged tires on the landing gear, and

those

It is everyday life that tires go flat.


Yes, but they should be replaced before they reach the minimum
requirements.

Of course, we don't know whether the person who saw this was actually
technically competent to interpret what he saw. Aircraft tyres always
look 'bald' compared to what you would expect to see on a car, but
they're a different type of tyre, and not designed to perform in the
same way as on a car.

  #22  
Old December 10th, 2003, 04:42 AM
Chris Blunt
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:21:13 +0200, "Markku Grönroos"
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What amazes me is how people are quite happy to take much higher risks
in their everyday lives and then put so much effort into unnecessarily
worrying about the airline they're going to fly on.

That's right. Traffic in Bankok alone kills half a dozens or so people every
day. If we compile a zillion different risk analysis reports and statistical
tables on people flying Aeroflot, we could draw a pie of risks during their
holiday in which one sector describes air crashes. Even if the pie was 10
meters in diameter, one couldn't see the sector by bare eyes.


I don't know whether the statistic is true or not, but I've heard that
more people are killed by falling coconuts than get killed in aircraft
accidents. I've seen a coconut fall from a tree while I've been lying
on a beach just a few meters away, and when you see how hard it hits
the ground you're certainly glad your head was not underneath it.
That's a danger I would never have even thought about before.

  #23  
Old December 10th, 2003, 05:38 AM
John Doe
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Of course, we don't know whether the person who saw this was actually
technically competent to interpret what he saw. Aircraft tyres always
look 'bald' compared to what you would expect to see on a car, but
they're a different type of tyre, and not designed to perform in the
same way as on a car.

The person in question has a PhD. in Metalurgical engineering, and heads the
research dept. of a major aerospace and defense contractor. I think he knows
what he is talking about. Besides, even I could interpret the pictures. they
looked really bad.


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Old December 10th, 2003, 11:34 AM
Kris
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Thanx for the information, Lars! Do they ask for any identification
documents while in transit??

You know, It's funny - I've flown around India/China/South-East Asia
for years and never worried for a single second, not a single time,
but now I will come into contact with Russian bureaucracy for the
first time, I do worry. Seen too many movies involving Siberian salt
mines (as you mentioned I guess. Anyway... Looking forward to being
back in Hong Kong.


Kris



On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:19:06 GMT, Lars wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 19:40:58 +0100, Kris
wrote:

I was more worried about corrupt officials at the airport while in
transit. I guess passengers in transit are not hassled by dodgy people
wearing uniforms and huge official looking hats?


No they are not.

I came home about ten days ago from a trip that included flying
with Aeroflot Stockholm - Moscow - Delhi, back and forth.
Neither the flights nor the stopovers in Moscow were terrific
but they were not horrible either.
Aereoflot is more and more using Airbuses, and they are quite
OK. (Even though I prefer Boeings.)

Russian officials, including airport staff, are never
particularly charming or helpful beyond the minimum nessecary.
But the days of innocent people being dragged off to Siberian
salt mines for a minor mistake, seems to be over.

They still wear uniforms and huge hats though!


Lars, Stockholm


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Old December 11th, 2003, 12:26 PM
Kris
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:55:10 GMT, Lars wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:34:33 +0100, Kris
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Do they ask for any identification
documents while in transit??


Well they do at all airports don´t they?


Hmm, guess I never really pay attention to this.

Your Japanese/Korean gulag story sounds scary indeed... enter the
Twilight Zone


Kris

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Old December 12th, 2003, 08:45 AM
Tchiowa
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Kris wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:55:10 GMT, Lars wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:34:33 +0100, Kris
wrote:

Do they ask for any identification
documents while in transit??


Well they do at all airports don´t they?


No. Not if you're in transit. If you need to clear Immigration, of
course they do. But most don't require it if you stay in transit.
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Old December 12th, 2003, 08:49 AM
Tchiowa
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"Markku Grönroos" wrote in message ...
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"Jacuo" wrote in message

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Amazing how many people think they have more than one life... and

will
risk flying an airline with a horrendous safety record to save a few
bucks. jh

You are pathetic.

Aeroflot has very good safety records and IMHO is safer than any US

airline

?????

Have you ever been on an Aeroflot plane? I have. Scared the hell out
of me. Have you ever been to the airport in Moscow? I have. Third


You are pansy.


And you're a racist. And you're proud of it. Remember saying that?
Let's hear more about "Yids" and "Kikes" and "Hebes". And then tell us
what difference that makes as to the accuracy of my statment.

I have once witnessed a prolonged landing in a flight from
Moscow to Helsinki by a Tupolev 154. We had a chance to see nice views over
the capital region. When we finally touched the runaway there were lots of
ambulances waiting us. We were never told the reason for this. Perhaps the
landing gear or some meters didn't work orderly. It happens.


And it happens more on second rate airlines.

world. Reminds me of Nigeria.

Have you ever been to the Lagos International Airport?


No, I never have. Of course that's probably because there is no such
place as "Lagos International Airport". Now, if you want to ask if
I've ever been to Murtala Muhammed Airport (sp), which is the
international airport that serves Lagos, then yes, I have. A lot.
Maybe 20 times.

Your point?

Sheremtyevo is dull
(and cold as it is a big bird cage), however this suggests nothing on
robustness of Aeroflot flights. As well, we could say that don't fly KLMs
because the Lagos airport is so horrendous a place.


The poster asked about the airport itself. I answered about the airpot
itself. You seem to have a problem with that.
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Old December 12th, 2003, 08:50 AM
Tchiowa
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Chris Blunt wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:00:57 +0200, "Markku Grönroos"
wrote:


"John Doe" wrote in message
...
Have you ever been on an Aeroflot plane? I have. Scared the hell out of

me.

A friend of mine traveled to Russia, and flew Aeroflot on one

international and
several internal flights. He was part of a group of scientists and

business
types invited by the government there to observe manufacturing and

scientific
installations for the purpose of gaining help from the West. As such, they

were
flown "first class" everywhere. He brought back a collection of pictures

of
beat up aircraft and balding or damaged tires on the landing gear, and

those

It is everyday life that tires go flat.


Yes, but they should be replaced before they reach the minimum
requirements.


And that's the point about Aeroflot and other similar airlines. Poor
maintenance. If the tires are going bad, what else wasn't inspected
and maintained properly.
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Old December 12th, 2003, 08:54 AM
Tchiowa
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Chris Blunt wrote in message . ..
On 9 Dec 2003 01:25:59 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote:

"Jacuo" wrote in message ...
U¿ytkownik "Markku Grönroos" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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"John" wrote in message
om...
SD wrote in message

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Amazing how many people think they have more than one life... and will
risk flying an airline with a horrendous safety record to save a few
bucks. jh

You are pathetic.

Aeroflot has very good safety records and IMHO is safer than any US airline


?????

Have you ever been on an Aeroflot plane? I have. Scared the hell out
of me. Have you ever been to the airport in Moscow? I have. Third
world. Reminds me of Nigeria.

I second what the poster said above. It's amazing that people will
risk their lives to save a few dollars.


You're correct in saying that people are increasing their risks to
save money, but you also need to take into account the actual level of
that risk rather than simply compare it. If there's, say, a one in two
million chance of being killed on a US airline, compared with a one in
a million chance on Aeroflot, then for me either would still be an
acceptable level.


What you say is true enough. But risk analysis basically covers three
areas: Odds of a loss (in this case low, even at twice the odds), cost
of taking or avoiding the risk, severity of loss in the event the odds
catch you.

Twice the risk, even if it's a low risk, to save a few dollars
compared with the cost of loss if the odds get you doesn't make any
sense to me.
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Old December 12th, 2003, 08:56 AM
Tchiowa
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"Jacuo" wrote in message ...
Uzytkownik "Tchiowa" napisal w wiadomosci
om...
"Jacuo" wrote in message

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Aeroflot has very good safety records and IMHO is safer than any US

airline

?????

Have you ever been on an Aeroflot plane? I have. Scared the hell out
of me. Have you ever been to the airport in Moscow? I have. Third
world. Reminds me of Nigeria.


Yes 2 times. In my country ( Poland ) it is quite popular, because it is
good and chiper. Sheremetyevo is not a very nice place, but Moscow is OK.
I have never been in Nigeria, but Moscow is similiar to Paris.


Say what????? Moscow similar to Paris??? Not the Moscow I've been to.

I'm not particularly a fan of Paris, but Moscow isn't even in the same league.
 




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