$#$#@%!!! wheelies!

Alan Street wrote:

In article et,
BruceB wrote:

€ One thing I can't understand is why people even need wheels on bags
€ that are carry-on size. What the hell are they hauling around? Lead?
€ Plutonium? I have no problem schlepping duffel bags twice the size of
€ most wheelies (though i can see the value of wheelies for the larger
€ size suitcase). Have we become a nation of weaklings, unable to even
€ carry a small overnight bag?
€
€ You have probably never travelled on business for a couple of days at a time
€ like a lot of folks do.

I do it a lot, and I also prefer to go into the cabin with as little as
possible.

€ All you need is some extra clothes and toiletries. Seems silly to go
€ through checking just that when you can save 1/2 hour or so by carrying on.
€ If you've ever carried one of those nice little Samsonite 1-suiters that
€ were so popular in the old days from one terminal to another at O'Hare, or
€ around the Atlanta or LAX airports, they can get pretty heavy after a day of
€ dealing with business. The wheels save all that work.
€

*All* that work?

€ Wheels aren't really the issue. Some people abuse the carry-on regs and the
€ airlines seem to let them. Makes me mad too. All we need here is for the
€ lines to actually use those little sizing thingys that they have and it your
€ bag doesn't fit in one, it has to be checked.

I agree with you here. If US airlines actually enforced their own carry
on restrictions, life would be much easier.

As a comment to the original post, both American and United say that
wheelies are supposed to go under the seat in front of you, not in the
overhead bins. It would be nice if they'd enforce that rule.


Interesting. The best I could find on United is the following

"Carry-on baggage information
For travel worldwide on United, you may carry on one bag and one
personal item such as a purse, briefcase, or laptop computer.

* A carry-on bag must fit under your seat or in the overhead bin.
* Carry-on bag dimensions should not be more than 9" x 14" x 22"
(length + width + height) or 45 linear inches (the length, height and
width added together). "


And in a press release they say

"The Embraer 170 also provides large overhead bins that accommodate
roll-on bags. "

If there is a comment that indicates banning wheelies in overhead bins I
didn't find it. Their PR folks who wrote the above didn't know about it.


€
€ I'd really like to see you carry a large duffel bag between the United
€ terminal and one two terminals over in LAX.

There's a shuttle that will get you there faster than you could walk it.
Or you could use a rental cart.

Unless, of course, you're our
€ governator.. Lighten up, pal
€
€

In article ,
Alan Street wrote:


As a comment to the original post, both American and United say that
wheelies are supposed to go under the seat in front of you, not in the
overhead bins. It would be nice if they'd enforce that rule.


My impression is that what they emphasize is that the separate folding
luggage carts with metal tubing and bungee cords (which used to be more
common before the carryons themselves got wheels) are what should always
go under the seat. Not sure why they focus on this, however.

I do agree that it would be nice if people generally carried on less
stuff. Putting a modest size wheelie in the overhead is pretty handy,
however -- it's putting a wheelie _and_ some additional massive brief
case or other object up there that's inconsiderate of fellow passengers.

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In article , AES
wrote:

€ In article ,
€ Alan Street wrote:
€
€
€ As a comment to the original post, both American and United say that
€ wheelies are supposed to go under the seat in front of you, not in the
€ overhead bins. It would be nice if they'd enforce that rule.
€
€
€ My impression is that what they emphasize is that the separate folding
€ luggage carts with metal tubing and bungee cords (which used to be more
€ common before the carryons themselves got wheels) are what should always
€ go under the seat. Not sure why they focus on this, however.
€
€ I do agree that it would be nice if people generally carried on less
€ stuff. Putting a modest size wheelie in the overhead is pretty handy,
€ however -- it's putting a wheelie _and_ some additional massive brief
€ case or other object up there that's inconsiderate of fellow passengers.

I had (perhaps incorrectly) assumed that "wheelie" referred to the
little luggage carts, not wheeled luggage.

Alan Street wrote:
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In article , AES
wrote:

€ In article ,
€ Alan Street wrote:
€
€
€ As a comment to the original post, both American and United say that
€ wheelies are supposed to go under the seat in front of you, not in the
€ overhead bins. It would be nice if they'd enforce that rule.
€
€
€ My impression is that what they emphasize is that the separate folding
€ luggage carts with metal tubing and bungee cords (which used to be more
€ common before the carryons themselves got wheels) are what should always
€ go under the seat. Not sure why they focus on this, however.
€
€ I do agree that it would be nice if people generally carried on less
€ stuff. Putting a modest size wheelie in the overhead is pretty handy,
€ however -- it's putting a wheelie _and_ some additional massive brief
€ case or other object up there that's inconsiderate of fellow passengers.

I had (perhaps incorrectly) assumed that "wheelie" referred to the
little luggage carts, not wheeled luggage.



The OP was talking about everybody and said "why people even need wheels
on bags that are carry-on size". So the original reference was to the
little bags with wheels built in.

AES wrote:
Putting a modest size wheelie in the overhead is pretty handy,
however -- it's putting a wheelie _and_ some additional massive
brief case or other object up there that's inconsiderate of fellow
passengers.

What's inconsiderate is blocking the aisles so that the considerate
passengers with nothing in the bins who are ready to get off, can't
move. Thus my suggestions:

Icono Clast said:
Simple solution debarking: "Passengers with nothing in the
overhead bins may debark as soon as the Captain allows. Others
shall wait until the aisles have cleared."

Simple enforcement in newly-manufactured 'planes: Electromagnets
keeping the bins' doors shut until the appropriate time.

I don't rush to get my bags. I do whatever else I have to do,
such as getting a car or making a 'phone call first.


My Side said:
----- While someone is walking out the front door of the airport
with your bags.

It could happen.
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Icono Clast wrote:

AES wrote:

Putting a modest size wheelie in the overhead is pretty handy, however
-- it's putting a wheelie _and_ some additional massive brief case or
other object up there that's inconsiderate of fellow
passengers.


What's inconsiderate is blocking the aisles so that the considerate
passengers with nothing in the bins who are ready to get off, can't
move. Thus my suggestions:


In my experience many of the folks removing stuff from the overhead
compartments get it completely ready to go before the aisle in front of
them is clear. The folks blocking the aisles are both those with
overhead materials and those without. The aisles are full before the
doors are opened.

Icono Clast said:

Simple solution debarking: "Passengers with nothing in the overhead
bins may debark as soon as the Captain allows. Others shall wait
until the aisles have cleared."

Simple enforcement in newly-manufactured 'planes: Electromagnets
keeping the bins' doors shut until the appropriate time.


I don't rush to get my bags. I do whatever else I have to do,
such as getting a car or making a 'phone call first.



My Side said:

----- While someone is walking out the front door of the airport with
your bags.


It could happen.
__________________________________________________ __________
Southern California's Four Seasons:
Earthquake, Mudslide, Brushfire, and Riot
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"Frank F. Matthews" wrote:
Icono Clast wrote:
What's inconsiderate is blocking the aisles so that the considerate
passengers with nothing in the bins who are ready to get off, can't
move. Thus my suggestions:

In my experience many of the folks removing stuff from the overhead
compartments get it completely ready to go before the aisle in front of
them is clear. The folks blocking the aisles are both those with
overhead materials and those without. The aisles are full before the
doors are opened.

And many don't because they can't. Those without stuff would clear the
aisles quite quickly leaving the others to get in each other's way.

Icono Clast said:

Simple solution debarking: "Passengers with nothing in the overhead
bins may debark as soon as the Captain allows. Others shall wait
until the aisles have cleared."

Simple enforcement in newly-manufactured 'planes: Electromagnets
keeping the bins' doors shut until the appropriate time.
__________________________________________________ __________
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Earthquake, Mudslide, Brushfire, and Riot
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On 13 Feb 2005 03:31:31 -0800, (Icono Clast) wrote:

|
|And many don't because they can't. Those without stuff would clear the
|aisles quite quickly leaving the others to get in each other's way.

I must admit that I've never understood the twits who stand up as soon
as the plane comes to rest and block the aisles impatiently waiting
for the doors to open.

Usually I just sit and wait until the aisles are clear. It must cost
me at least two minutes, allowing me to get my cabin luggage without
bumping elbows while half-standing, and also allowing me to walk
normally from the plane instead of shuffling along in a crowd.

I invariably meet all the ones that crowded the aisles again - waiting
at the baggage carousels.


Cheers, Alan

I rarely wish painful disabling conditions on others, but may all
of you complaining about wheelies get rheumatoid arthritis.
You deserve it, and who knows, it may help you develop empathy.
And until there's a cure, I'm using a small wheeled suitcase and
standing (on the right) on the escalators. You can all pass on the
left, and it you make any snotty comments, I'll stick out my foot
with the twisty toes and trip you.

Duh! Here's why I'm walking slowly with the wheelie. It's
as fast as I can walk. Get over it and be glad you're healthy.


"Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
...
Abe Kouris wrote:
Then, there's the fact that when people drag wheelies around in the
terminal, they take up the space of 2 people and block foot traffic.
And it seems that people dragging wheelies seem to walk twice as slow
as normal people.

You're not alone in this observation. They also stand on escalators rather
than walking like normal people, and worse still, they stand in the middle
so nobody can get by. They're an abomination.

miguel
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:52:59 -0500, "JA" wrote:

|I rarely wish painful disabling conditions on others, but may all
|of you complaining about wheelies get rheumatoid arthritis.
|You deserve it, and who knows, it may help you develop empathy.
|And until there's a cure, I'm using a small wheeled suitcase and
|standing (on the right) on the escalators. You can all pass on the
|left, and it you make any snotty comments, I'll stick out my foot
|with the twisty toes and trip you.
|
|Duh! Here's why I'm walking slowly with the wheelie. It's
|as fast as I can walk. Get over it and be glad you're healthy.

Well said. About time someone did.


Cheers, Alan