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Old September 10th, 2013, 11:24 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
Tom P[_6_]
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.... for flights inside the Schengen area, is there now a some kind of
agreement that you don't need a passport or an official ID card?
I've noticed recently that on internal flights in Germany I never
needed to show anything other than a boarding card, but I hate dragging
my passport around for no good reason, and I'd hate to be refused
boarding just because I didn't have it with me.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 07:08 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Athel Cornish-Bowden
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On 2013-09-10 10:24:13 +0000, Tom P said:

... for flights inside the Schengen area, is there now a some kind of
agreement that you don't need a passport or an official ID card?
I've noticed recently that on internal flights in Germany I never
needed to show anything other than a boarding card, but I hate dragging
my passport around for no good reason, and I'd hate to be refused
boarding just because I didn't have it with me.


I flew from Paris to Vienna last week, and back again yesterday. In
neither direction did I have to show any evidence at any moment that I
was me. Anyone who knew my booking number could have flown. Mind you, I
wouldn't count on it, even for an internal flight.


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athel

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Old September 10th, 2013, 12:27 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Tom P[_6_]
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On 10.09.2013 12:32, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:24:13 +0200, Tom P wrote:

... for flights inside the Schengen area, is there now a some kind of
agreement that you don't need a passport or an official ID card?
I've noticed recently that on internal flights in Germany I never
needed to show anything other than a boarding card, but I hate dragging
my passport around for no good reason, and I'd hate to be refused
boarding just because I didn't have it with me.


In the Netherlands it is obligatory to carry valid ID at all times.

True in theory in Germany, but it's not as if you are going to get
arrested on the street.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 12:34 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Frank Hucklenbroich
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Am Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:27:55 +0200 schrieb Tom P:

On 10.09.2013 12:32, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:24:13 +0200, Tom P wrote:

... for flights inside the Schengen area, is there now a some kind of
agreement that you don't need a passport or an official ID card?
I've noticed recently that on internal flights in Germany I never
needed to show anything other than a boarding card, but I hate dragging
my passport around for no good reason, and I'd hate to be refused
boarding just because I didn't have it with me.


In the Netherlands it is obligatory to carry valid ID at all times.

True in theory in Germany, but it's not as if you are going to get
arrested on the street.


Not true like this. You need to be able to show it when checked, but you
don't have to carry it with you. It's perfectly legal to keep it in the
safe of your hotel-room (or at your home, when you live in Germany), and if
you should get asked for it, you go to your room and get it.

Then again, I live in Germany for over 40 years and have never been asked
my ID-card randomly on the street. At least not when you're walking around,
it's different if you drive your car, then they can (and will) check car
papers, ID and driver's licence.

As for the flights - it depends on the airline. Some airlines won't let you
board a plane without a proper ID, even when you stay within schengen-area.
So I would always carry one.

Reagrds,

Frank
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Old September 10th, 2013, 01:06 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Erick T. Barkhuis[_3_]
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Frank Hucklenbroich:

Am Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:27:55 +0200 schrieb Tom P:

On 10.09.2013 12:32, Martin wrote:


In the Netherlands it is obligatory to carry valid ID at all
times.

True in theory in Germany, but...


You need to be able to show it when checked, but
you don't have to carry it with you.



Reading up on this, I noticed two rules, confirmed by several websites:
1. In the Netherlands, dutch inhabitants need to carry an ID
2. In Germany, germans need to posess, not carry, an ID

What's the rule for residents of dutch nationality in Germany?
I can't seem to find anything on that.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 02:08 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
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Am 10.09.2013 14:06, schrieb Erick T. Barkhuis:
Reading up on this, I noticed two rules, confirmed by several websites:
1. In the Netherlands, dutch inhabitants need to carry an ID
2. In Germany, germans need to posess, not carry, an ID

What's the rule for residents of dutch nationality in Germany?
I can't seem to find anything on that.


Pretty much the same as for germans, it seems:

"Bürger der Europäischen Union einschließlich des Europäischen
Wirtschaftsraums müssen nach § 8 des Freizügigkeitsgesetzes/EU bei der
Einreise in die Bundesrepublik einen Pass oder anerkannten Passersatz
mitführen und während ihres Aufenthaltes besitzen.

Für alle anderen Ausländer, die in die Bundesrepublik einreisen oder
sich im Bundesgebiet aufhalten, besteht nach § 3 des Aufenthaltsgesetzes
eine Passpflicht."

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausweispflicht
http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/fr..._2004/__8.html

So you need to posess an ID and prove ID if asked by authorities.
No need to carry, but being hold for hours by police for identity
verification isn't much fun either.

Josef

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Old September 10th, 2013, 02:41 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Erick T. Barkhuis[_3_]
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Josef Kleber:

Am 10.09.2013 14:06, schrieb Erick T. Barkhuis:
Reading up on this, I noticed two rules, confirmed by several
websites: 1. In the Netherlands, dutch inhabitants need to carry
an ID 2. In Germany, germans need to posess, not carry, an ID

What's the rule for residents of dutch nationality in Germany?


[...]
Pretty much the same as for germans, it seems:

[...]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausweispflicht
http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/fr..._2004/__8.html

So you need to posess an ID and prove ID if asked by authorities.


Thanks for this, Josef.

No need to carry, but being hold for hours by police for identity
verification isn't much fun either.


Being held by police doesn't make it any easier to go and get the
passport from the drawer at home, either.


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Old September 10th, 2013, 03:02 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Frank Hucklenbroich
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Am 10 Sep 2013 12:06:37 GMT schrieb Erick T. Barkhuis:

Frank Hucklenbroich:

Am Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:27:55 +0200 schrieb Tom P:

On 10.09.2013 12:32, Martin wrote:


In the Netherlands it is obligatory to carry valid ID at all
times.

True in theory in Germany, but...


You need to be able to show it when checked, but
you don't have to carry it with you.



Reading up on this, I noticed two rules, confirmed by several websites:
1. In the Netherlands, dutch inhabitants need to carry an ID
2. In Germany, germans need to posess, not carry, an ID

What's the rule for residents of dutch nationality in Germany?
I can't seem to find anything on that.


The same as for Germans - when you are asked for an ID, you have to be in
possesion of one, and be able to show it, but don't need to carry it.
In practise it can mean that the police can come with you to your
house/hotel-room/flat, and let you get the ID-card.

Or maybe they will just check by radio, if you permanently live in Germany
you have to register (no matter what nationality you have), so they'll ask
you your date of birth, name and adress, and can verify this by radio on
the spot. Thats what they do at traffic-checks if you forgotten your
papers. No big deal, though you can get a fine for driving without papers,
something like 5 EUR or so.
But if you travel to other cities, it seems a good idea to have the ID with
you. Claiming that your ID is in your flat in Berlin while you are in
Munich could get you in some kind of trouble, if you have no other papers
to identify you (drivers licence, passport or something like that). In the
worst case you can end up at the police station while they are trying to
verify your data, which can take some time.

Regards,

Frank
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Old September 10th, 2013, 05:27 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Josef Kleber
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Am 10.09.2013 17:57, schrieb Martin:
On 10 Sep 2013 12:06:37 GMT, "Erick T. Barkhuis"
2. In Germany, germans need to posess, not carry, an ID

What's the rule for residents of dutch nationality in Germany?
I can't seem to find anything on that.


If you are British in Germany
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/germany
"Carry your passport with you at all times. German police have the
right to ask to see identification."

I assume the same applies if you are Dutch.


The same even applies if you are german! ;-) But, with the police having
the right to see an ID does not mean you have to carry an ID.
Furthermore, the police needs a reason for asking for your ID.

So the british government gives a good advice to avoid trouble. In the
context of a law seminar, it's wrong!

Josef

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Old September 24th, 2013, 12:32 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
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If you are British in Germany
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/germany
"Carry your passport with you at all times. German police have the
right to ask to see identification."

The same even applies if you are german! ;-) But, with the police
having the right to see an ID does not mean you have to carry an
ID. Furthermore, the police needs a reason for asking for your ID.
So the british government gives a good advice to avoid trouble.
In the context of a law seminar, it's wrong!


This is the same government that advised British students who happened
to be in Kiev during the Chernobyl accident to prevent contamination
by boiling their drinking water.

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